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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/26/2011 2:32:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		LMAO Fact we didnt join the US alliance, against the war in iraq, why?
Id like a fact back please not a gem from your mind


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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/26/2011 2:40:16 PM   
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Try to remember, you only post about American politics (generally speaking) for a reason

God knows, maybe God cares about Canadian politics...

Did it even make the news outside Canada as to why Canada didnt help the people of Iraq shed their monstrous dictator?

Why would you expect anyone outside Canada (and perhaps a few geeks) to give an arctic rats frozen ass

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LMAO Fact we didnt join the US alliance, against the war in iraq, why?
Id like a fact back please not a gem from your mind



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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/26/2011 2:40:57 PM   
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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/26/2011 2:42:17 PM   
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This, on the other hand, is supposed to be something? 

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lmao ahuh you assert but have nothing
well done:)


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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/26/2011 2:43:05 PM   
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This is the briefing that Tenet (Dir CIA) gave the Prez.   Hardly a causus belli, unless roundly ignored, and extremely ideological interpretations imposed without fact.

Nobody who routinely dismisses facts will read the whole thing, but there it is on CIAs website.   (oh, don't pick one sentence out of the whole thing and say, see?) I got a hell of alot more.  And those who do dishonestly misinterpret it will look fuckin stupid for a long, long time. The flavor of the document, if I may summarize, is:   Not fuckin likely.

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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/26/2011 2:46:02 PM   
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This, on the other hand, is supposed to be something? 

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lmao ahuh you assert but have nothing
well done:)


Im cutting my responses down to stay on topic and to confirm just how little you can actually post that is verifiable, and how much you attack the poster, and not the topic which is iraq, and why canada didnt join in( a off shoot, not a hijack or a derail)

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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/26/2011 3:05:14 PM   
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If you say so Lucy...

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( a off shoot, not a hijack or a derail)





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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/26/2011 3:07:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		once again you are picking on me and not the topic, or my questions and requests for any proof of anything you have said, IS NOT a derail
sorry
report all you want
it doesnt make you right
now, if you have a response out side of opinion to any of my questions, I will listen, until then you are relegated to oblivion

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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/26/2011 3:30:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		For mine, that Maliki has turned on the Kurds and Sunnis and threatened to dump them from Govt, and to rule with a Shia-alone coalition is far more significant in the long term. This is a step towards the break up of Iraq.

The Kurds are running what amounts to an independent State in the North. The Sunni, still bristling at their loss of power under Saddam, are being squeezed again and are looking to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States for support and finance. An all-Shia Govt will align Iraq more openly with Iran.

So the break up of the multi-faction Govt and its replacement by a Shia-alone Govt would be a huge step towards Civil War, Round 2.

Any examination of the region since World War II would conclude that if the goal of US policy was to create permanent chaos in the region, then that policy has been very successful.

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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/26/2011 3:33:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder if the actual vote will go the way they want..or if they are making sure it does?
The US needs to stay OUT

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Any examination of the region since World War II would conclude that if the goal of US policy was to create permanent chaos in the region, then that policy has been very successful.


If they learn their lesson, it might help
of course, we can see from some posts that its unlikely to be the case

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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/26/2011 4:05:43 PM   
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I wonder if the actual vote will go the way they want..or if they are making sure it does?


IIRC, the Shia parties, if united, have a majority in the Iraqi Parliament.

The current multi-faction Govt only came about after a year of squabbling by Iraqi politicians reluctant to bow to outside pressure to create a cross-faction Govt. So the Shia have a "go-it-alone" option if they wish to use it. Using it runs the risk of permanently alienating the Sunnis and Kurds and setting off Civil War Round 2.

This would cause far more damage than those horrible terrorist attacks.

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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/27/2011 1:41:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Incidentally... does anyone have an overview of the findings of the election observers in Iraq?

Not exactly comparable, but in Meymaneh, the election bore a distinct resemblance to a Benny Hill act.

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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/27/2011 4:36:46 AM   
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Any examination of the region since World War II would conclude that if the goal of US policy was to create permanent chaos in the region, then that policy has been very successful.

I doubt that it's all that calculated as a lot of the chaos (the Iranian revolution springs to mind as an obvious example) doesn't do much to further US interests in the area.

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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/27/2011 6:15:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		"The beliefs to which the end of the Cold War gave rise - liberal democracy triumphant, globalisation as the next big thing and American dominion affirmed by a new way of war - have all come to rest in that unmarked grave reserved for failed ideas.
Those who promoted and persisted in the Iraq War wielded the shovel that helped dig the hole. This defines their legacy."

Andrew Bacevich, a Vietnam veteran and retired colonel in the US Army, is a professor of history and international relations at Boston University.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-grave-of-failed-ideas-20111225-1p9iv.html#ixzz1hkDigp1q



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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/27/2011 12:12:57 PM   
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If Iraq crumbles into a bloody and violent civil war -
Do you think the United States will go back in and restore order?
And beyond that, do you think the United States should?


Sleazy though he was, this is exactly the wisdom of the senior Bush's recognition that a stable Iraq was best left in place. It's an arbitrary country forced together from the early 20th century, and it can only be ruled dictatorially by the US occupation of by whomever else wins dominance (or has it handed to them).

The U.S. will remain in Iraq forever, as a foothold in the Middle East. Enough stability to remain comfortably will always be enforced. And the junior Bush administration knew that--that we were moving in permanently.


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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/27/2011 12:16:21 PM   
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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/27/2011 6:54:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		"The Bush doctrine of preventive war, democracy promotion and aggressive unilateralism encouraged the belief that the US could impose its will and leadership across the globe. As one White House adviser told journalist Ron Suskind in 2005: "We are an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality."

Two US wars brought down Saddam Hussein in Iraq and the Taliban tyrants in Afghanistan, but in the process they have cost the US dearly in credibility and prestige as well as blood and treasure."

Author Tom Switzer is a research associate at the US Studies Centre at the University of Sydney and editor of The Spectator Australia. He offers an interesting analysis of the causes and consequences of the Iraq debacle. Well worth a read IMHO.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-indispensable-country-struggles-to-hold-its-place-20111227-1pbfg.html#ixzz1hnIMXYdg



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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/27/2011 7:14:35 PM   
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Try to remember, you only post about American politics (generally speaking) for a reason

God knows, maybe God cares about Canadian politics...

Did it even make the news outside Canada as to why Canada didnt help the people of Iraq shed their monstrous dictator?

Why would you expect anyone outside Canada (and perhaps a few geeks) to give an arctic rats frozen ass

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

LMAO Fact we didnt join the US alliance, against the war in iraq, why?
Id like a fact back please not a gem from your mind




Besides, we know the reason. They didnt need to. Their national defense rides on our coattails, like their prescription drugs.

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RE: Iraq Trembles Amid Renewed Sectarian Violence... - 12/27/2011 7:19:07 PM   
Lucylastic


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we didnt join in iraq, we did in Afghanistan, now why would we choose NOT to get invlved in one conflict an ok another, not to mention the libya thing
OH YA because we chose NOT to
and we have our own drug companies you know?
thats why so many americans buy canadian drugs
ignorance, you haz it bad

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