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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 8:48:06 PM   
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(Tazzy, I think he was using "Kahuna" as a figure of speech.)

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 9:03:11 PM   
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Because one thing doesn't define a man. There's plenty of candidates that have issues similar-ish.

Also,when you look at how he perceives the governments role- even if he was a racist he doesn't believe it's his or any presidents or gov't bodies place to tell people how to live making it a moot point. If he really does believe that, it wouldn't change how he casts his final verdict. If something violated that simple premise he'd vote it down regardless. This is assuming he truly believes that... and that can only be guessed on based on his voting records.

And as for his voting on the Civil Rights Act... he pointed out a major flaw in it's writing, that doesn't mean he doesn't believe in the all people regardless of the color are to be free humans... but he believes there are huge flaws in that bill that can/will and did create issues.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 9:04:55 PM   
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Paul wrote of his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964:

[It] not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.[264]


Sadly, he seems to believe that is all the Civil Rights Act did.


My Mom told me (I'm from Seattle) when she saw a headline...above the fold (20 years ago) "SeaFirst (the big Kahuna bank then) ONLY gives 17% of their loans to blacks".  This was her express clarity as to how many and why blacks were getting fucked over.

It was huuuuuge news here.

Headlines are written to make news....not to discern facts.

I asked her, in her indignation (being raised as a somewhat socially conscious person)...."Mom....what's the percentage of blacks in the local area?"

She said...."what the hell does that have to do with ANYTHING????"

I said "well Mom....blacks as a group tend to have lower credit scores than white, Hispanics, Jews and others....doesn't it seem unusual to you that whites (Hispanics, Jews and others) aren't getting loans on a fair percentage basis....?"

So I again asked..."what's the percentage of blacks in our local community? (I already knew the answer)..

It was 9%..

So I explained to her that if blacks were getting 17% of the loans, in a market where they comprised 9% of the population....with lower credit scores....that essentially proved that local banks were scared shitless in giving blacks fewer loans....moreover, those that reflected their % in the marketplace...because...they knew they'd be eviscerated.

PLEASE don't accuse me of being racist...whites were given fewer loans that Asians...who tended to have VASTLY better credit scores....ergo...were more trustworthy as to credit.

So Asians got more loans.  As they should.

Because they'd earned them.

17% loan confirmation, against 9% % of population showed (to me) that the banks were scared to death not to loan to blacks.

Meaning...whites, hispanics, jews and others were in fact being the ones discriminated against.

Back to on Paul...the guy's agnostic.

You earn the credit....credit is due.

Don't?  Go fuck yourself.

(Just like Israel).

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Did you ask her about those others? Hispanics, Jews and others

You give no point of reference here. You were discussing 1990 data. The largest percentage of the population of Hawaii at that time were asian, followed by white, then hawaiian/pacific islanders then blacks at 2.5%

http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/info/census/Folder.2005-10-13.2927/pl94-171/pltable11.pdf

By Island...

http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/info/census/census90/census90-hsdcrep6/tab2.pdf

I cant find a source for the 9% claim, or for the 17% loans. Not saying it isnt true, just that it cant be found. And when dealing with this kind of information, you should offer something to back your claims up. Mind hooking me up?


True...it was 20+ years ago data (and I can't give pertinent data because SeaFirst no longer exists...but the key point is...headlines are written to get you to act (actually...that's not true at all...they're written to get you to re-act). Don't know if SeaFirst website (now B of A) has any of that (or the Seattle Times, which was the local main newspaper of the time)....but it's a mathematical fact....some folks have (sue me), as a class, lower credit scores than others....whites, if I recall, are #2 or #3 down on the list.

Even as "the man" is putting everyone down but whites.

It just isn't true.

Banks loan money to people they believe will pay them back...except for occasional public disdain, PR, and governmental mandate.

And if anyone wants to know whether or not media wants you to react (as opposed to act)...pick 5 news stories....read the headlines....then the story.

See if the main essence of the headline (the premise they wanted you to believe) has even a modicum of relationship to the meat of the story.

7 out of 10 times...it won't.

This wasn't a credo against blacks, any more that  it was a high five to Asians.

But if you put 100 people (or 1,000) of any group together....you'll see a trend....and the trend will never tell you about that one (good) guy....but it will tell you about who he (likely) hangs out with.

That was my point, in essence....the only people getting fucked in this society are the ones who tend to be vastly more beatific about those who have had less opportunity in life.

The Man. The guy with the heavy thumb, certain to focused on nothing more than putting everyone else in his or her place.  He's generally (and almost always) the one, contrary to popular opinion, who is going out of his or her way to see to it that others have a fair (and better) shake.....even if it lessens his or her opportunities.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 9:11:55 PM   
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(Tazzy, I think he was using "Kahuna" as a figure of speech.)


You are probably right, hlen. Thank you for spotting that. The percentage of Blacks in Seattle for the 1990 census was 10.1%. White was 75.3%, Asian and Pacific Islander 11.8%, Eskimo 1.4% and Other was 1.4%

I did find these in reference to loans...

As part of its strategic planning for fiscal year 1994 lending goals, the SBA Seattle District Office paid particular attention to the fact that women and people of color will own more than half of all small businesses by the year 2000. In FY 1994, more than 46% of all loans went to businesses owned by women or persons of color.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SBA+ANNOUNCES+RECORD+VOLUME+IN+SMALL+BUSINESS+LENDING+TO+WASHINGTON...-a015929940

Thats the closest I could find.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 9:13:27 PM   
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Banks loan money to people they believe will pay them back...except for public disdain and governmental mandate.
What does "public disdain" mean? What "government mandate"?

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This wasn't a credo against blacks, any more that  it was a high five to Asians.
""Credo" against blacks?" What does that mean?

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That was my point, in essence....the only people getting fucked in this society are the ones who tend to be vastly more beatific about those who have had less opportunity in life.
"Beatific"? What does that mean?



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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 9:15:07 PM   
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(Tazzy, I think he was using "Kahuna" as a figure of speech.)


You are probably right, hlen. Thank you for spotting that. The percentage of Blacks in Seattle for the 1990 census was 10.1%. White was 75.3%, Asian and Pacific Islander 11.8%, Eskimo 1.4% and Other was 1.4%

I did find these in reference to loans...

As part of its strategic planning for fiscal year 1994 lending goals, the SBA Seattle District Office paid particular attention to the fact that women and people of color will own more than half of all small businesses by the year 2000. In FY 1994, more than 46% of all loans went to businesses owned by women or persons of color.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SBA+ANNOUNCES+RECORD+VOLUME+IN+SMALL+BUSINESS+LENDING+TO+WASHINGTON...-a015929940

Thats the closest I could find.


Awesome research :)

(Thanks....I actually don't know how to do that :) )

9%....10.1....pretty much the same.

They were still getting 17% of the loans (from that bank).

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 9:17:41 PM   
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Thank you for spotting that.


You're welcome!

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 9:19:47 PM   
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Banks loan money to people they believe will pay them back...except for public disdain and governmental mandate.
What does "public disdain" mean? What "government mandate"?

Public disdain...those who would have less than positive feelings about in this case: a public corporation, regards their (public) actions.

Government mandate:  Exactly as it's worded....those actions required of a lending institution regards percentages of loans given to those who may not meet standard lending criterion.


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This wasn't a credo against blacks, any more that  it was a high five to Asians.
""Credo" against blacks?" What does that mean? 

I think it's fairly clear actually.


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That was my point, in essence....the only people getting fucked in this society are the ones who tend to be vastly more beatific about those who have had less opportunity in life.
"Beatific"? What does that mean?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/beatific

(I don't see any of the above as beyond the scope of anyone with an IQ of a potato.....I'm confident {with the above assistance} you can handle this conversation).



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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 9:40:04 PM   
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One of the issues, for me, with the premise that, according to your memory... and I am not doubting that... is that 9% of the population got 17% of the loans. This was also the same time period where the SBA was stepping in and aggressively backing many of these loans, making the guaranteed loans much more palatable for banks.

For the fourth consecutive year, Seafirst Bank has been named the No. 1 lender of Small Business Administration Loans in the state.

Seafirst made 160 loans in Washington during SBA's fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 1997. That represented more than $23 million in financing made available by the bank.


But that doesnt tell you anything about what the other banks are doing, who is getting the loans, who isnt and why.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 9:41:17 PM   
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Awesome research :)


I am pretty good at it.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 10:02:49 PM   
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Banks loan money to people they believe will pay them back...except for public disdain and governmental mandate.
What does "public disdain" mean? What "government mandate"?


Public disdain...those who would have less than positive feelings about in this case: a public corporation, regards their (public) actions.
I'm fairly certain that I'm not alone in finding this incomprehensible.

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Government mandate:  Exactly as it's worded....those actions required of a lending institution regards percentages of loans given to those who may not meet standard lending criterion.
Once again, What Government Mandate?

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This wasn't a credo against blacks, any more that  it was a high five to Asians.
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""Credo" against blacks?" What does that mean? 


I think it's fairly clear actually.
No, it isn't. Once again you have achieved incomprehensibility. I'm feeling charitable, so I'll help by providing you with a Definition of "Credo" for Children.

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That was my point, in essence....the only people getting fucked in this society are the ones who tend to be vastly more beatific about those who have had less opportunity in life.
quote:

"Beatific"? What does that mean?


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/beatific

(I don't see any of the above as beyond the scope of anyone with an IQ of a potato.....I'm confident {with the above assistance} you can handle this conversation).

I'll plug in a synonym for beatific in the above. Reader comments are welcome.
"... the only people getting fucked in this society are the ones who tend to be vastly more saintly about those who have had less opportunity in life.

Na ja, alle ist Klaar.




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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 10:07:06 PM   
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One of the issues, for me, with the premise that, according to your memory... and I am not doubting that... is that 9% of the population got 17% of the loans. This was also the same time period where the SBA was stepping in and aggressively backing many of these loans, making the guaranteed loans much more palatable for banks.

For the fourth consecutive year, Seafirst Bank has been named the No. 1 lender of Small Business Administration Loans in the state.

Seafirst made 160 loans in Washington during SBA's fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 1997. That represented more than $23 million in financing made available by the bank.


But that doesnt tell you anything about what the other banks are doing, who is getting the loans, who isnt and why.


No doubt...and, there was nothing in the news story about the lesser sized banks...just SeaFirst....the big boy...no doubt, they didn't have "the goods" on the others because no one was watching them.

I think it's sad, and frankly....there ain't nothing new under the sun.

This is still going on today.

Your credit score, while important...indeed, vital....still isn't and will likely never be the be all, end all.

You're (if you're not a protected class) never going to do as well as those who are (a protected class).

Doesn't mean you still can't do well in life.....might mean you have to try 10% harder to get in the game.

It's been said that women have to work twice as hard to "be" as good as a man in the corporate world.

Frankly....call me sexist....except for lifting concrete....I'll hire a woman every time over a man with the same skills BECAUSE she'll work harder to prove herself.

I'm in business.  I'm going to pick the person who will make the most profit for our firm.

The fact is...blacks and others have to try 500% harder, but in (some) cases (not by any stretch all)....they're also given a 2 second head start.

Do they need it?  I haven't a clue.  Do they deserve it?  I'm not black, so I can't say.

I can tell you this....my Grandfather never owned a slave, my Dad never owned a slave and I sure as shit didn't....so frankly....I truly don't understand all this stuff about why the man is keeping them down.  I've hired Blacks, Whites, Mexicans, Russians and a variety of other folks and to be honest....(I'm White), the best workers I've ever hired have been Mexicans.

They get paid more than any other group of people I work with or hire (everyone starts at the same wage) because they consistently produce the goods over every other group.  Does that mean I only look for Mexicans?  Nope.....

Do I hire them solely because they're Mexicans?  I haven't got a damn clue.  And I can't fucking understand a goddamn thing those fuckers say half the time.

But they work hard...and in MY company...they get biggest raises.

I'm not black...I don't know what they've gone through...but the blacks I've hired....half have been exceptional....and half have been the laziest fucks I've ever hired.  Bar none.

The exceptional ones got raises and overtime....the chumps got fired.

Guess which were the ONLY times I ever got sued by the state unemployment office were?

By the 3 blacks who leaned on a shovel and felt entitled.

The 4 that did great work....got raises....2 of which are still with me 12 years later....one of which is my lead foreman.

I'm not sure what the reasons are as to why people (of any color) don't do well, have lower credit scores or just seem to drift in life.

Ain't my job to figure that out...my job is to complete projects for my clients in the most efficient and cost effective manner I can.

Those that help me do that get paid well and get promotions.

Those that don't....get fired....

And, in turn...back to the issue at hand...Ron Paul.....I think that's what he's been saying all along:

Let's get rid of the shit that doesn't work (policies/programs....and in some cases...people).

If they don't...flush 'em.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 10:13:37 PM   
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Banks loan money to people they believe will pay them back...except for public disdain and governmental mandate.
What does "public disdain" mean? What "government mandate"?


Public disdain...those who would have less than positive feelings about in this case: a public corporation, regards their (public) actions.
I'm fairly certain that I'm not alone in finding this incomprehensible.  I'm fairly certain you're correct in that assumption.

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Government mandate:  Exactly as it's worded....those actions required of a lending institution regards percentages of loans given to those who may not meet standard lending criterion.
Once again, What Government Mandate?  Well, that would be the legislation that mandated that those with lesser scores, regardless of race, but in several cases because of race, should not eliminated from loans, whether business or real estate (see Clinton years).

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This wasn't a credo against blacks, any more that  it was a high five to Asians.
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""Credo" against blacks?" What does that mean? 


I think it's fairly clear actually.
No, it isn't. Once again you have achieved incomprehensibility. I'm feeling charitable, so I'll help by providing you with a Definition of "Credo" for Children.

Thank you.  Doesn't change one thing I stated....but it's always good to learn new things.  (And just for the record....I hire adults...not children).

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That was my point, in essence....the only people getting fucked in this society are the ones who tend to be vastly more beatific about those who have had less opportunity in life.
quote:

"Beatific"? What does that mean?


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/beatific

(I don't see any of the above as beyond the scope of anyone with an IQ of a potato.....I'm confident {with the above assistance} you can handle this conversation).

I'll plug in a synonym for beatific in the above. Reader comments are welcome.
"... the only people getting fucked in this society are the ones who tend to be vastly more saintly about those who have had less opportunity in life.


Na ja, alle ist Klaar.

I'm so glad all is well.



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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 10:28:28 PM   
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Case in point, what's Paul done for his district, TX-14? It's in the bottom 4/5th or 5/5th on just about every stat that's kept, except for being midline on median income. Not really an exemplary case of "leadership" there. Mediocrity at best, and arguably much worse.

That's the best he's got to offer? ... Blah ... Doesn't deserve promotion. Not presidential material, on that record, even if he wasn't libertarian lunatic disconnected from reality on all but a few issues.

And 98% of his congressional campaign funding came from outside his district. He's just sold out to a more diffuse crowd than some.


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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/26/2011 11:37:33 PM   
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So you would rather he steal from everyone to boost the businesses in his district ? All about money is it now ? You like it how it is ?

And there is something wrong with people in other districts supporting him ? Really. They certainly didn't vote for him. But they send money. They sent money because they see him as someone who will look out for the constituents' issues, which on a federal level means them too. Tell me how they are stupid for that, and do tell me why he should what, REFUSE these contributuions ? These days that would get him a rubber room.

And if anyone wants to know what he thinks now, he has written a column for a national newspaper for the last few years now. I'll leave it up to you all to find it for yourselves.

This shit with Ron Paul is starting to sound like that old bar joke. You can eat ten thousand pussies and be the best paid pussy eater in the world, did the Queen of England and everything, the fucking best. But suck one dick and you are a cocksucker for life.

T^T

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/27/2011 2:45:06 AM   
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Let's get rid of the shit that doesn't work (policies/programs....and in some cases...people).


Its because of those programs ... the one's Paul would love to dismantle... because they worked so well... that they seem like they are no longer needed.

If we got rid of them, how long before the pendulum shifted once again?

Think about it. Dont think for just a moment... really think about it.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/27/2011 9:09:22 AM   
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Let's get rid of the shit that doesn't work (policies/programs....and in some cases...people).


Its because of those programs ... the one's Paul would love to dismantle... because they worked so well... that they seem like they are no longer needed.

If we got rid of them, how long before the pendulum shifted once again?

Think about it. Dont think for just a moment... really think about it.


That is a fact Tazzy...that will happen.

It happens historically, and now we're in that cycle where we owe more than we can ever pay....so does the rest of the world.

It's like that old song in that famous movie with Julie Andrews...."with a spoon full of sugar makes the medicine go down"....but now the medicine is a bitter pill.

The world is sick.  We have a lot of very painful decisions to make, none of which I would expect, are going to be pleasant.

I don't think Ron Paul's message or plans are anything short of stark, painful, and bleak.

The alternative is to keep doing what we're doing...and that's only pushing the pain farther down the road.

Neither choice is terribly palatable, but we all know how we feel when we owe little and we all know the feeling when we owe a lot.

One requires we eat less candy.  I like chocolate just as much as the next guy.

We're all (figuratively/financially speaking) vastly overweight, bloated in many cases.

It's time to get on the treadmill, as painful and un-enjoyable as that will be...it's necessary.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/27/2011 10:12:51 AM   
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The alternative is to keep doing what we're doing...and that's only pushing the pain farther down the road.


That is not the only alternative.

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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/27/2011 10:52:58 AM   
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"TX-14? It's in the bottom 4/5th or 5/5th on just about every stat that's kept, except for being midline on median income."

Even if it was "all about money" (which is often a last-resort of libertarian zero-sum so-called 'reasoning'), Paul has been at best mediocre at boosting his consituents' fortunes. And if he's somehow arcanely justified accepting bribes from outside his electorate on the basis that those further national 'interests', the record of his influence at that scale is even worse.

Much of the conflict in actions, if not also in (dis?)honest perceptions, between left, right, etc, has to do with externalized burdens and costs, for which some people (and businesses) insist they have no responsibility. Who pays for the socioeconomic infrastructure, environmental sustainability, international monetary stability (or predictability ar least), etc, that every person and every business depends on as context for their existence?

Without centuries of technical development and infrastructure investment, you'd be digging roots instead of tapping keys. Sure, there are still some places where might-(and-'wits')-makes-right, like Sudan, Somalia, etc. Those are your libertarian law-free pinnacles of personal freedom.

Frankly, I much prefer a mature recognition that this nation's investment in education, transport, and industry exists as a socioeconomic resource that may be of incalculable value, on the order of $100Trns. And as such, the costs to sustain and expand that resource are reasonably allocated in some proportion to the usage incurred and the profits derived. And yeah, that might have to have non-linear scaling, such is the nature of control-theory.

The bottom line, however, is that keeping the whole mess running at a level where a conscientious workweek nets a comfortable standard of living, then the costs of everything from roadways to retirements add up to something like 30-50% of GDP. The US etc operate at the bottom end of that, Denmark etc at the top, Sudan etc well below. The US, Euro, etc have, though, been printing money to operate in the red, which results mostly in inflated values with only the wealthiest having enough disposable income to acquire.

And the other important point is that taxed monies don't disappear from the economic flywheel, they just go back into it differently than the taxees night have preferred. Does the US need its roads, bridges, and space program in good and improving condition, or has it been better for the overall or just a few individuals to subsidize speculation in CDO-swaps leveraged from $10Trn into $500Trn in face-value that nobody really had?

So, sure, deregulate everything, undo all the common good, let the 'markets-decide' ... That's what Ron Paul proposes .... Would you rather the US look more like a giant Somalia or a gaint Scandanavia in fifty years hence?


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RE: What is it about Ron Paul? - 12/27/2011 11:22:14 AM   
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But what's the story with Ron Paul? The guy has never had the whiff of scandal, has held consistent positions for years, and has a strong third place position in the polls. I consider him a more credible candidate than Newt any day. He's also shown solid fundraising strength.

So why won't the GOP show this guy any love?


Who knows what the GOP faithful think.

Paul has several interesting perspectives. He also has some nutty fetishes economically. I'd have to pass. Just not ultimately realistic.

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