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popeye1250 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/2/2012 5:55:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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that his admin. would be the most transparent?


That doesnt translate into completely transparent. You have proof his isnt as transparent as others before him?

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Well, Dr. Michael Savage reported tonight that Obama who is in Hawaii on another "vacation" signed a bill that gives the U.S. Military powers to arrest anyone the Obama Admin. deems "dangerous to the U.S." That means you and me.
Funny, NONE of the lame stream media has reported on this!
Oversight or lack of "transparency?"


Funny, I heard it on CNN just before going out around 3. Maybe you need to change your media access?

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-12-31/politics/politics_obama-defense-bill_1_civilian-custody-legislators-military-custody?_s=PM:POLITICS

Ah, there we go. [:D]


Well yeah, Clinton's Admin. was more transparent but only because he couldn't do anything without getting caught!
I doubt Clinton meant "transparent" like that!
And Savage said that the leftist A.C.L.U. and Human Rights Watch came out against this Bill.
He mentioned the two sections of this Bill (H.R. 1540) Sect 1021 and 1022 that specify which rights are being affected.
I'm watching CNN now, nothing for the last ten minutes.




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/2/2012 6:40:59 PM)

You are denying the link I gave you?

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And Savage said that the leftist A.C.L.U. and Human Rights Watch came out against this Bill.


Did you actually check if they had?




Lucylastic -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/2/2012 6:42:38 PM)

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-02/obama-signs-defense-spending-law-with-interpretations.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/01/02/president-obama-signed-the-national-defense-authorization-act-now-what/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-signs-defense-bill-pledges-to-maintain-legal-rights-of-terror-suspects/2011/12/31/gIQATzbkSP_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0101/Obama-signs-defense-bill-despite-serious-reservations
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/02/aclu-others-slam-obama-for-signing-defense-bill-that-includes-detainee/
http://presstv.com/detail/219054.html
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/10396-president-obama-signs-national-defense-authorization-act-into-law
or any of the other
there are 1360 articles out there, that have been around since this morning
like the ones listed here.....
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&btnmeta_news_search=1&q=Obama+signs+defense+bill&oq=Obama+signs+defense+bill&aq=f&aqi=d1d-o1&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=189606l189606l0l190835l1l1l0l0l0l0l173l173l0.1l1l0

BY the way Pops the PRES signed it from the WHITEHOUSE
NOT from HAWAII
Please someone repost this because he has me on ignore
I would so hate for his posts to be inaccurate anymore
sorry Taz, I just wanted to give him a couple of options :)[:)]




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/2/2012 6:45:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-02/obama-signs-defense-spending-law-with-interpretations.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/01/02/president-obama-signed-the-national-defense-authorization-act-now-what/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-signs-defense-bill-pledges-to-maintain-legal-rights-of-terror-suspects/2011/12/31/gIQATzbkSP_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0101/Obama-signs-defense-bill-despite-serious-reservations
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/02/aclu-others-slam-obama-for-signing-defense-bill-that-includes-detainee/
http://presstv.com/detail/219054.html
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/10396-president-obama-signs-national-defense-authorization-act-into-law
or any of the other
there are 1360 articles out there, that have been around since this morning
like the ones listed here.....
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&btnmeta_news_search=1&q=Obama+signs+defense+bill&oq=Obama+signs+defense+bill&aq=f&aqi=d1d-o1&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=189606l189606l0l190835l1l1l0l0l0l0l173l173l0.1l1l0

BY the way Pops the PRES signed it from the WHITEHOUSE
NOT from HAWAII
Please someone repost this because he has me on ignore
I would so hate for his posts to be inaccurate anymore
sorry Taz, I just wanted to give him a couple of options :)[:)]


Its ok, hun. And, yes, I know the ACLU is against this. I just hate it when people say.. so and so told me. I dont care what so and so told you... find out for yourself.




Lucylastic -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/2/2012 6:56:54 PM)

I doubt he will go to anyone of them :)
unless its fox, or the new american, or one of the other "fantastical propaganda" sites
This doesnt please me in the slightest, ..having read some of the more extreme... the paranoia is mighty thick. This is gonna cause much dismay. Im not sure it shouldnt,
but the fantasticals have got their hands full. It wouldnt surprise me that this is what looses him the election on the spin this is causing
Habeas corpus is not something to be fucked with lightly in popularity, even if he has something big up his sleeve to weigh it against.
JMNSHO




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/2/2012 7:16:06 PM)

This will end up in the courts. The ACLU is against this.




Louve00 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/2/2012 7:20:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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Well, Dr. Michael Savage reported tonight that Obama who is in Hawaii on another "vacation" signed a bill that gives the U.S. Military powers to arrest anyone the Obama Admin. deems "dangerous to the U.S." That means you and me.
Funny, NONE of the lame stream media has reported on this!
Oversight or lack of "transparency?"


I promised myself I was not going to bother, and I am not going to bicker over a transparent White House, but I just can't keep my fingers off these keys to ask you, Popeye, are you privvy to the briefings and updates Obama gets every morning. Are you aware of any impending threats to this country that would make him issue such an order. Or do you prefer to think he's nothing more than playing "assassin", like a little boy does with his mini plastic soldiers?...and on top of that, hiding it all on the American public, so if they (the WH) deems any one of us "dangerous", they can take us out without further adieu??

Sometimes I wonder who is the gullible one in some of these topics. Do you want our White House updates so transparent that we give our strategies away to our enemies? Or is that logic (about being so transparent we help our own enemies by divulging our strategies) just a figment of my imagination. Sometimes, like it or not, there are some things better off not knowing. And then again, this could have nothing to do with the transparency Obama was speaking of when he said that? Do you really want all the terrorists of the world to know that just so we can know it? [sm=2cents.gif]




popeye1250 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/2/2012 8:07:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Louve00


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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Well, Dr. Michael Savage reported tonight that Obama who is in Hawaii on another "vacation" signed a bill that gives the U.S. Military powers to arrest anyone the Obama Admin. deems "dangerous to the U.S." That means you and me.
Funny, NONE of the lame stream media has reported on this!
Oversight or lack of "transparency?"


I promised myself I was not going to bother, and I am not going to bicker over a transparent White House, but I just can't keep my fingers off these keys to ask you, Popeye, are you privvy to the briefings and updates Obama gets every morning. Are you aware of any impending threats to this country that would make him issue such an order. Or do you prefer to think he's nothing more than playing "assassin", like a little boy does with his mini plastic soldiers?...and on top of that, hiding it all on the American public, so if they (the WH) deems any one of us "dangerous", they can take us out without further adieu??

Sometimes I wonder who is the gullible one in some of these topics. Do you want our White House updates so transparent that we give our strategies away to our enemies? Or is that logic (about being so transparent we help our own enemies by divulging our strategies) just a figment of my imagination. Sometimes, like it or not, there are some things better off not knowing. And then again, this could have nothing to do with the transparency Obama was speaking of when he said that? Do you really want all the terrorists of the world to know that just so we can know it? [sm=2cents.gif]



Louve, I quoted a nationally syndicated columnist with millions of viewers as my "source."
Dr. Savage has written,...22, 23 books over the years?
There's an old ancient saying from the Greeks or Romans, "don't kill the messenger."
Dr. Savage stated that Obama signed this Bill while in Hawaii on vacation over this past weekend. I have no reason to doubt him. Do you?

And as far as I'm concerned Obama's appologists with their blinders on trying to protect their leader remind of the Manson Family.
Just read some of the prodigious posters in here on that, post after post after post, day after day.




popeye1250 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/2/2012 9:13:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

You are denying the link I gave you?

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And Savage said that the leftist A.C.L.U. and Human Rights Watch came out against this Bill.


Did you actually check if they had?



Tazzy, why would I?
Dr. Savage has I think 6 million (?) listeners, why would he think he could lie to that many people and not get caught?
I was simply quoting him.
Oh fudge, now that Twerp Newt Gingrich is on with Piers Morgan! What an asshole and liar and every third word out of him is "I", "ME", "MY", "Mine."
Gee, he doesn't seem to want to talk about "NAFTA" now does he? He was instrumental in getting it passed! You ***KNOW*** he was taking money for that!
He's fucked about 20 million American citizens and he's got an office on K Street right beside the lobbyists!
It's people like him you want to hear their names in the news with the words,...."plane crash..." Or,...."suicide by poisoning."




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/2/2012 10:09:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

You are denying the link I gave you?

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And Savage said that the leftist A.C.L.U. and Human Rights Watch came out against this Bill.


Did you actually check if they had?



Tazzy, why would I?
Dr. Savage has I think 6 million (?) listeners, why would he think he could lie to that many people and not get caught?

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/authorit.html




popeye1250 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/2/2012 10:54:03 PM)

Thanks Hippie, that applies to president pantload even more.

I can just see the Manson family in Sept, heads shaven, dressed in blue prison garb.




tweakabelle -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/2/2012 11:17:45 PM)

I had never heard of Michael Savage until pops mentioned him as a source of apparently unquestionable integrity. ("Dr. Savage has I think 6 million (?) listeners, why would he think he could lie to that many people and not get caught? ") Please note the last sentence in this extract from his wiki page:

"Savage has summarized his political philosophy in three words: borders, language, and culture. Some, including Savage himself, have characterized his views as conservative nationalism,[8] while critics have characterized them as "fostering extremism or hatred."[9] He outspokenly opposes illegal immigration to the United States, supports the English-only movement and argues that liberalism and progressivism are degrading American culture. Although his radio delivery is usually characterized as confrontational and politically themed, some of his show involves ruminating on topics such as medicine, nutrition, music, literature, history, theology, philosophy, sports, culture, and personal anecdotes.
Since 2009, Savage has been barred from entering the United Kingdom, for allegedly "seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred
" (my emphasis)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage

Pops tells us that he believes such people (aka shock-jocks) have no reason to tell lies. To me that explains an awful lot.

Moral of the story: Don't believe everything you hear/see/read in the media, especially when the source has an overt political agenda.




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/3/2012 7:03:24 AM)

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Tazzy, why would I?
Dr. Savage has I think 6 million (?) listeners, why would he think he could lie to that many people and not get caught?


How many does Rush lie to? Alex Jones? Come on pops, you know better than that.

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Newt Gingrich is on with Piers Morgan!


Perfect example. How many people listen to Newt and believe every word he says?




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/3/2012 7:05:13 AM)

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Moral of the story: Don't believe everything you hear/see/read in the media, especially when the source has an overt political agenda.


Everyone in politics, or associated with politics, including the media, has a political agenda. I question pretty much everything I hear.




Politesub53 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/3/2012 9:18:30 AM)

Savage moans that the UK have blocked free speech. We havent Micheal, we just use our free speech to say a big F,U to hatred, racism and bigotry.

What is crucial about this is that a right wing Tory government ( that I voted for) have upheld the ban, good for them.




Moonhead -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/3/2012 12:12:54 PM)

Actually, he's moaning that we've blocked his free speech, and another international platform for him to profit from the same. I doubt he gives a flying fuck about anybody else's right to media access...




Louve00 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/3/2012 2:12:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250




Louve, I quoted a nationally syndicated columnist with millions of viewers as my "source."
Dr. Savage has written,...22, 23 books over the years?
There's an old ancient saying from the Greeks or Romans, "don't kill the messenger."
Dr. Savage stated that Obama signed this Bill while in Hawaii on vacation over this past weekend. I have no reason to doubt him. Do you?

And as far as I'm concerned Obama's appologists with their blinders on trying to protect their leader remind of the Manson Family.
Just read some of the prodigious posters in here on that, post after post after post, day after day.



First of all, Popeye, I'm not trying to shoot you (the messenger( knock you down, put you down, or any of that). I have never heard of Dr Savage or the 22 or 23 books he's written, but I doubt you have read some of the writings of Dr's (PhD's, i'm assuming, but regardless...I've probably read books by medical Dr's too, that you've never read. And too, if you have, I apologize for the assumption, but we tend to read what we believe in. We tend to embrace what the author embraces. Even though you are just Dr Savages "messenger", you believe in him enough to talk about his opinions on things and how the president breached his promises to the country, via his "transparency". Until we put our feet in the shoes of the president, we really don't know what his reasons are for issuing orders without public knowledge. We had no clue that Obama and a whole bunch of WH peeps were sending Seals to get Bin Laden, either. Instead of crying about the lack of transparency in that instance, they were quick to reduce his efforts of capturing the Ace of Spades, most wanted terrorist, to the work of the Seals. And granted, I commend the Seals for their expertise and wouldn't even have the slightest interest in taking that away from them, but they were not sitting around a table or crouching in a bunker somewhere and decided they were just going to go out on a "Hunt, shoot, and kill Bin Laden" rage on their own.

Sometimes its a good thing to question what you hear and read and think about what is being said, and apply it to situations we have no clue about. But, like you voiced your opinion, I'm voicing mine. [8D]

*Edited to add I could care less where Obama was vacationing when he signed this order that your Dr Savage revealed to his listeners. I'm sure when Katrina hit NOLA, Bush made a lot of decisions right from Camp David where he was vacationing. He didn't rush right back to his WH desk to make any decisions...at least not that I recall.




Lucylastic -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/3/2012 5:12:13 PM)

Smiles just to point out yet again that Obama WAS in the white house to sign.
He left his missus n kids there and came back
BUT today the Pres was seen ignoring the countries ills and taking time out to shop for the dog and go to best buy and order 3 pizzas "pickup"
WUT NO SS MEN to do his shopping for him???
apparently not
http://media.talkingpointsmemo.com/slideshow/obama-shopping-trip
Oh I know he must be electioneering, THe CHEEK of the man
(/removing tongue from cheek)




popeye1250 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/3/2012 5:20:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I had never heard of Michael Savage until pops mentioned him as a source of apparently unquestionable integrity. ("Dr. Savage has I think 6 million (?) listeners, why would he think he could lie to that many people and not get caught? ") Please note the last sentence in this extract from his wiki page:

"Savage has summarized his political philosophy in three words: borders, language, and culture. Some, including Savage himself, have characterized his views as conservative nationalism,[8] while critics have characterized them as "fostering extremism or hatred."[9] He outspokenly opposes illegal immigration to the United States, supports the English-only movement and argues that liberalism and progressivism are degrading American culture. Although his radio delivery is usually characterized as confrontational and politically themed, some of his show involves ruminating on topics such as medicine, nutrition, music, literature, history, theology, philosophy, sports, culture, and personal anecdotes.
Since 2009, Savage has been barred from entering the United Kingdom, for allegedly "seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred
" (my emphasis)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage

Pops tells us that he believes such people (aka shock-jocks) have no reason to tell lies. To me that explains an awful lot.

Moral of the story: Don't believe everything you hear/see/read in the media, especially when the source has an overt political agenda.



Gee, hasn't Australia been more vocal about "borders, language and culture" in the last few years?
"Fostering hatred?"
(Boy, what a wimpy term, like "ushering in." You just *know* there's going to be guys in their 50's and 60's with pony tails close to those terms somehow.! lol)




VideoAdminGamma -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/3/2012 5:40:45 PM)

Lets all remember what the topic is.

Thank you.

VideoAdminGamma


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I thought this might be a fun thread to keep going in here up 'till the elections in November.

Remember when Obama said; "Let it be said that from this day forward sea levels will be going down!"
Anyone got a ruler?
Now doesn't that sound like something JFK might say, the structure and all that?
This is fun because he's always talking and he must like to put his foot in his mouth and we'll have plenty of ammunition.! lol






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