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mnottertail -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 12:23:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I pointed that out before, Master Ron, and was told I didnt know what I was reading.


From someone who can read?




Sanity -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 12:44:12 PM)

Would you be working this hard to cloud the issue had it been Bush or McCain or Cain or Gingrich or Palin or another Republican who had signed legislation authorizing American citizens to be stripped of their rights sand held indefinitely in a military prison

Remember when Obama said

“Every idea that we’ve put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike.”


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

If you post is as fact, then its up to you to present those facts. Since you wont, it means you cant. Enough about that.

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And seriously - did you really miss Obamas signing the act that enables his administration to now strip citizens of their rights, and hold them in Guantanamo indefinitely... ?


Nope, didnt miss it at all. Who proposed that law? Congress.

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The bill also contains provisions making it difficult to transfer suspects out of military detention, which prompted FBI Director Robert Mueller to testify that it could jeopardize criminal investigations. It also restricts the transfers of cleared detainees from the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay to foreign countries for resettlement or repatriation, making it more difficult to close Guantanamo, as President Obama pledged to do in one of his first acts in office.


http://www.aclu.org/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-bill-law

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The president defended his action, writing that he signed the act, “chiefly because it authorizes funding for the defense of the United States and its interests abroad, crucial services for service members and their families, and vital national security programs that must be renewed.”

Senior administration officials, who asked not to be named, told ABC News, “The president strongly believes that to detain American citizens in military custody infinitely without trial, would be a break with our traditions and values as a nation, and wants to make sure that any type of authorization coming from congress, complies with our Constitution, our rules of war and any applicable laws.”
One official explained that President Obama does believe, however, that American citizens can be temporarily detained, and that the military has the right to capture and hold any citizen who is engaged in conflict against the United States. If various provisions in the law prove unworkable, the president could go back to Congress to ask for changes.


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/with-reservations-obama-signs-act-to-allow-detention-of-citizens/

Sounds to me like a battle for the SCOTUS... with the ACLU against this, its almost ensured to end up in the Supreme's laps with the first attempt to detain under this law.

Funding of US defense vs vetoing a law that will, at least I have no doubt, be overturned in court.... hmmm




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 12:45:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I pointed that out before, Master Ron, and was told I didnt know what I was reading.


From someone who can read?


Im still debating that fact.




mnottertail -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 12:45:31 PM)

You are clouding the issue, Sanity, seems like they are clarifying it to all the onlookers out here.




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 12:48:00 PM)

OBAMA: "Every idea that we've put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike."

THE FACTS: Obama proposes to pay for his jobs bill by raising taxes, something traditionally opposed by Republicans and, in the form Obama proposed it, even some Democrats. Senate Democrats were so allergic to Obama's approach, which relied largely on limiting deductions that can be taken by individuals making over $200,000 a year and couples making more than $250,000, that they're eliminating it and replacing it with a new tax on millionaires.


How many times did Reagan raise taxes? Wasnt it twelve? Imagine, a Republican agreeing to raising taxes.





Lucylastic -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 12:48:41 PM)

Under the Bush administration, similar claims of worldwide detention authority were used to hold even a U.S. citizen detained on U.S. soil in military custody, and many in Congress now assert that the NDAA should be used in the same way again.




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 12:52:43 PM)

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Would you be working this hard to cloud the issue had it been Bush or McCain or Cain or Gingrich or Palin or another Republican who had signed legislation authorizing American citizens to be stripped of their rights sand held indefinitely in a military prison


I have decried the treatment of Palin on more than one occassion, something I have YET to see from any conservative on these boards.

How about the latest stunt against Huntsman? Why havent any of you so called conservative die hards decried that treatment? Are you waiting for a "liberal" to bring it up? Landblasting that man over the adoption of a chinese child is just sickening. No different than dragging Palin's kids through the mud. If it had been a democrat who ran that ad against Huntsman, you would be livid. But because its in support of Ron Paul, it gets swept under the rug.

In case you missed what Master Ron said...

Congress added provisions that took the ultimate authority to detain suspects from the military's hands and gave it to the president. Congress also clarified that civilian law enforcement agencies -- such as the FBI -- would still have authority to investigate terrorism and added a provision that asserts nothing in the detention measures changes current law regarding U.S. citizens.

So, he didn't quite sign what you think he signed.





Lucylastic -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 12:56:36 PM)

How about the latest stunt against Huntsman? Why havent any of you so called conservative die hards decried that treatment? Are you waiting for a "liberal" to bring it up? Landblasting that man over the adoption of a chinese child is just sickening. No different than dragging Palin's kids through the mud. If it had been a democrat who ran that ad against Huntsman, you would be livid. But because its in support of Ron Paul, it gets swept under the rug.


Ron pauls lot is sposedly behind it, but yes interesting no one has decried it from the right
OR not
Whoever did it, is a cunt.




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 12:58:08 PM)

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Whoever did it, is a cunt.


Ron Paul stated he did not support the ad or the position. Still, for anyone to come out and say that about the adoption of a child is rather sickening.




Lucylastic -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 1:03:49 PM)

I looked into it a little bit last night, I dont think Paul is behind it, not that it would surprise me, but this time I think its some random asshole using a close proximity name.
I stand by my language describing the twat who did make it:)




Moonhead -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 1:05:08 PM)

Why is the treatment of Palin's kids even an issue?
If Barbie was willing to use them as props for her electioneering campaign, then she had no business whining about the attention it got her when it emerged that the "true love waits" bullshit wasn't working.
Christ, it isn't as if they got treated any worse than Chelsea Clinton, is it?




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 1:14:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Why is the treatment of Palin's kids even an issue?
If Barbie was willing to use them as props for her electioneering campaign, then she had no business whining about the attention it got her when it emerged that the "true love waits" bullshit wasn't working.
Christ, it isn't as if they got treated any worse than Chelsea Clinton, is it?



I didnt agree with the treatment of Chelsea either, or any of the stupidity that seems to have come along in the past 20 years.

Kids dont sign up to be President, they arent asked if they want their lives exposed, and we shouldnt hold them up as an example to the rest of the world. They are just.. kids. And as such should be entitled to the same amount of privacy and off limits conduct as any other child.




Moonhead -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 1:30:46 PM)

Absolutely.
However, when said kids are being paraded around in front of the media by a parent who sees them as a PR stunt rather than as human beings, then I don't think it's inappropriate for the parent to be taken to task for the fact that not even her own brood are adhering to her fantasy standards. It's the same as b list celebrities who think that the paps are only entitled to take photos of their kids if they've called a press gala: either you're entitled to privacy or you're not, and if you're dumb enough to use your children as a PR stunt, then sadly they're fair game thereafter.




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 1:59:39 PM)

I have no problem with taking the parent to task for their own stupidity. But that isnt what happened. Palin's kids were called almost every name under the sun. The media, and politicians, played into the game... a game that should have been off limits... one that I was glad to see Obama kept off limits.

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Unless we're mistaken, neither Obama nor Biden nor the campaign has attacked Palin's family. In fact, Obama said this after it was revealed that Palin's 17-year-old daughter is pregnant: "I have said before and I will repeat again: I think people's families are off limits, and people's children are especially off limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories."


I do not recall Obama playing into that game. If everyone else had ignored her stupid stunts with the children, it would have been a non issue.




popeye1250 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 2:22:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

OBAMA: "Every idea that we've put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike."

THE FACTS: Obama proposes to pay for his jobs bill by raising taxes, something traditionally opposed by Republicans and, in the form Obama proposed it, even some Democrats. Senate Democrats were so allergic to Obama's approach, which relied largely on limiting deductions that can be taken by individuals making over $200,000 a year and couples making more than $250,000, that they're eliminating it and replacing it with a new tax on millionaires.


How many times did Reagan raise taxes? Wasnt it twelve? Imagine, a Republican agreeing to raising taxes.





Tazzy, I don't think people realize that President Pantload is a D.I.N.O.
We have plenty of people here from up North many of them Democrats who don't agree with most of what he says or wants to do.
Why is it so hard for him to listen to The People and not his advisors who'll end up being lobbyists in a year or so?
"Advisors" always have ulterior motives for giving advice to a president. They're representing their wishes and the people behind them in the shadows who could be anyone.
Like I've always said, you'll never go wrong listening to The People.




VideoAdminGamma -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/7/2012 2:51:06 PM)

Tangents of the OP need to be taken to their own threads please. For those that need a refresher:


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I thought this might be a fun thread to keep going in here up 'till the elections in November.

Remember when Obama said; "Let it be said that from this day forward sea levels will be going down!"
Anyone got a ruler?
Now doesn't that sound like something JFK might say, the structure and all that?
This is fun because he's always talking and he must like to put his foot in his mouth and we'll have plenty of ammunition.! lol






popeye1250 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/10/2012 11:40:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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that his admin. would be the most transparent?


That doesnt translate into completely transparent. You have proof his isnt as transparent as others before him?



http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-4-2011/victory-lapse---obama-transparency-award

Jump to 2 minutes in. It's quite funny.



Raiikun, now THAT is just too funny!
Yup, "transparency!"
"Meet across the street from the white house with lobbyists instead of in the white house so they don't have to say they met with lobyists!"
And, if they're meeting with lobbyists you know damn well that it's not good for The People or our money!




popeye1250 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/11/2012 1:31:57 PM)

Remember when Obama said; .....he was a big Chicago White Sox fan and he couldn't even name one player *past or present* who played on the team?
And then, to add insult to injury he called "Comiski Park" "Cominski Park." lol [:D]
Remind you of anyone?
Remember when John French Kerry said he liked "Rap" music and then couldn't name one song or artist?
"Can I ah,....get me a Rap record here?"




Lucylastic -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/11/2012 1:47:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Remember when Obama said; .....he was a big Chicago White Sox fan and he couldn't even name one player *past or present* who played on the team?
And then, to add insult to injury he called "Comiski Park" "Cominski Park." lol [:D]
Remind you of anyone?
Remember when John French Kerry said he liked "Rap" music and then couldn't name one song or artist?
"Can I ah,....get me a Rap record here?"



what he actually said was
You know uh ..... I ... I thought that ... uh .... you know," Obama stalled. " ... The truth is a lot of the Cubs I like too! But, uh ... I did not become a Sox fan until I moved to Chicago. Because I uh .... I was growing up in Hawaii so I ended up actually being an Oakland A's fan.
BTW
its Comiskey Park NOT Comisky so you have something in common with him!
Smart huh





Politesub53 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (1/11/2012 4:50:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

"Can I ah,....get me a Rap record here?"



How about a broken record ?




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