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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 9:08:15 AM

Hillwilliam

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[Got a link for your claim or is it just a claim?

I do find it interesting that you claim the smallest increase in federal payroll was overseen by someone who is supposed to be a tax and spend liberal.

Look it up yourself. Lefties ignore links they dont like anyway. And you might recall a lot of Clinton's budget pre-Gingrich budget cutting came on the backs of the military that had to be rebuilt. It was a Republican GOP that did the civilian budget cutting.

In other words, you don't have one.

I'm glad you said that about lefties and links as I fully intend to look at it if you produce it.

That makes me a solid non lefty. WOOT!!

So, you're saying that the Republican majority in the house is to be given credit for Clinton's lack of spending but, with a similar Republican majority in the house, Obama is to blame for the spending now.

Gotcha.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 9:08:35 AM

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Give that man a cigar....he correctly identified the current President,who is not a leftist.
Next question please

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 9:18:38 AM

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Since you clearly didn't notice the massive spending increases came when Dems had both houses. The (admittedly feeble) stabs at cutting the budget came after Reps took the house. By the way under Clinton te reps had BOTH houses of congress.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 9:20:42 AM

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as a leftist who has been a part of more than one terrorist attack and decades before 9/11
its a ridiculous analogy.

how soon most righties forget, and NOW how soon most righties are doomed to repeat your folly, and how soon will most righties jump all over the president for not doing enough wrapping you up nice and securely.
Most righties wanted the patriot act, most righties got it , most righties still want it, but not for YOU. what makes most righties so special. Most righties would like to do profiling, well guess what most righties fit the profile, we all do.
Secure safe society, Not possible....most righties are suffering under so many delusions its not funny
there are reasons that he cannot undo what has been done by Bush but most righties are tooo dense to be able to see it.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 9:23:29 AM

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By the way under Clinton te reps had BOTH houses of congress.

Who sets the budget?

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 10:14:36 AM

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Whoever told you Bush was for smaller government, or even a conservative?

All he had going for him was just that he was just the lesser evil

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Absolutely, its all Bushs fault

I KNEW IT

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Man, if only George Bush didn't hire all those brand new Federal Employees in the first place, we wouldn't be in this situation.

Now we have to pay their retirement pensions forever...

Well, who started the Department of Homeland Security?

Oh yeah. One of those people who is always preaching "Smaller Government" .

Growth in Federal Payroll (population adjusted) ranking by President:

Johnson
Kennedy
Obama (after 1 year!!!!)
Eisenhower
Reagan
Ford
GWB
GHWB
Nixon
Clinton

Yup, all Bush's fault.

Again, the department homeland security was established by someone who is supposed to be for smaller government.

Got a link for your claim or is it just a claim?

I do find it interesting that you claim the smallest increase in federal payroll was overseen by someone who is supposed to be a tax and spend liberal.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 10:52:13 AM

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This would be President Obama who continually talked about "redistribution of wealth" (until his handlers told him to STFU). That's the one who is not a leftist?

He was talking about the wealth gap......that`s growing.

Not taking your money and giving it to bums.

Please tell us you`re not denying that the gap is growing.

bush tax cuts are a give away, at our (your`s and mine,literally)expense........to the tune of trillions of dollars.

This is not another form of "redistribution of wealth"..... with only difference being the stamp says rightist?

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 10:53:24 AM

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U.S. officials note that digital files recovered from Osama bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan after he was killed by U.S. Navy SEALs in May included evidence that the al-Qaida leader had considered an attack on U.S. railways in February 2010

http://sentinelsource.com/news/national_world/tsa-teams-not-just-for-airports-anymore/article_bbb4fd95-01b9-5de4-acc9-3c499b955a8f.html?photo=0

http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/02/28/why-did-tsa-pat-down-kids-adults-getting-off-train/

http://www.tet.org/articles/rail40002.php

Seems like this has been in the works since 2007

People are just starting to complain about it now?

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 11:01:27 AM

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~FR

U.S. officials note that digital files recovered from Osama bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan after he was killed by U.S. Navy SEALs in May included evidence that the al-Qaida leader had considered an attack on U.S. railways in February 2010

http://sentinelsource.com/news/national_world/tsa-teams-not-just-for-airports-anymore/article_bbb4fd95-01b9-5de4-acc9-3c499b955a8f.html?photo=0

http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/02/28/why-did-tsa-pat-down-kids-adults-getting-off-train/

http://www.tet.org/articles/rail40002.php

Seems like this has been in the works since 2007

People are just starting to complain about it now?

It`s not the policy,it`s the president`s party......... that matters.

If an R does.It`s good godly and patriotic.

If a D doesn`t stop doing what the R was just doing,they are an Orwellian super feind bent on throwing us all in FEMA death camps.

Thank goodness we`ve got the righists to protect us from all that.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 11:13:45 AM

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It's Bush's fault. And it's Obama's fault.

DHS was created out of the castoffs from other federal agencies. They're not very good. I believe that I first read about railways being a possible terrorist target over a year ago. Not in a classified report, in the media. And it's taken DHS this long to do something about it.

We're not having significant freedoms taken away, just dignities. And in return, we're getting some vague feeling we're safer.

This.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 11:34:47 AM

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It's Bush's fault. And it's Obama's fault.

DHS was created out of the castoffs from other federal agencies. They're not very good. I believe that I first read about railways being a possible terrorist target over a year ago. Not in a classified report, in the media. And it's taken DHS this long to do something about it.

We're not having significant freedoms taken away, just dignities. And in return, we're getting some vague feeling we're safer.

This.

The word fault tho, is not accurate.

"Fault" co-notates something wrong or done wrong or a wrong act.

Most of what bush did was necessary and right,given our open and vulnerable society.

What President Obama has kept strikes the right balance as far and freedom vs. security and is reasonable.

He`s not torturing people and he`s not acting in bad faith or using the NSA as a political tool,as bush did.

Haven`t heard to many orange-yellow-red alerts lately,have we?

What some cons are trying to do(rich) is conflate all the bad things bush did with all the good/not so bad things bush did.

So when President Obama signs on to anything bush did,like a NSA issue,they claim President Obama is doing all the bad things bush did too and whine" why aren `t <sniff sniff>the media going after Obama <sniffle sniff sniff>the way they went after <fuff fuff snif> bush... hah-hah whah-whahhhhhh....?

There`s also a clueless hypocrite contingent, that doesn`t realize they`re criticizing President Obama for things they created.That`s a never ending fountain of entertainment if there eve was one.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 11:55:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Whoever told you Bush was for smaller government, or even a conservative?

All he had going for him was just that he was just the lesser evil

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Again, the department homeland security was established by someone who is supposed to be for smaller government.

Got a link for your claim or is it just a claim?

I do find it interesting that you claim the smallest increase in federal payroll was overseen by someone who is supposed to be a tax and spend liberal.

He was a Republican wasn't he? Aren't Republicans supposed to be the frugal party of smaller government?

The ones I support are. Sadly, I haven't had many to support lately.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 11:57:06 AM

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He was a Republican wasn't he? Aren't Republicans supposed to be the frugal party of smaller government?

Not since Reagan took office.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 11:59:40 AM

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Well, Nixon was no great penny pincher, but yeah...since Reagan, its all been borrow and spend.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 12:16:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Whoever told you Bush was for smaller government, or even a conservative?

All he had going for him was just that he was just the lesser evil

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Again, the department homeland security was established by someone who is supposed to be for smaller government.

Got a link for your claim or is it just a claim?

I do find it interesting that you claim the smallest increase in federal payroll was overseen by someone who is supposed to be a tax and spend liberal.

He was a Republican wasn't he? Aren't Republicans supposed to be the frugal party of smaller government?

The ones I support are. Sadly, I haven't had many to support lately.

Bush was no con.He was a neo-conservative the few moments he was conscience.

Reagan?Nope.

Tricky dick,Bush Sr. and Ford? Nada,nunca,not in any way.

There hasn`t been a real conservative president since Hover.........Of Hoverville fame.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 12:17:50 PM

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By the way under Clinton te reps had BOTH houses of congress.

Who sets the budget?

The House proposes it and the Senate approves it. That was BamaD's point (following up on mine). But you know that, so why the question.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 12:20:18 PM

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By the way under Clinton te reps had BOTH houses of congress.

Who sets the budget?

The House proposes it and the Senate approves it. That was BamaD's point (following up on mine). But you know that, so why the question.

Then the house needs to get off their fucking ass and send a budget in.

As usual, My point went over your head. The modern Republican party is neither frugal nor the party of small, nonintrusive government.

There, I spelled it out for ya.

By the way, I'm still looking for you to supply that link.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 12:26:51 PM

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Well, Nixon was no great penny pincher, but yeah...since Reagan, its all been borrow and spend.

That's a bit harsh on Nixon: he saved the money you were pissing away on Vietnam (after, it must be observed, stepping the thing up a couple of times beforehand) and finally cut NASA's budget a bit. (Or even a lot. Certainly far more than Carter even did, despite the L5 society and other Heinlein fan's bile towards Jimmy...)

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 12:27:31 PM

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Point in fact,I am dissapointed that this President did not,in a quick and decisive way,roll back some of the excesses of the Bush administration.This has been just one more example that powers once appropriated,in direct contravention of the Constitution,are never easily surrendered.Proof once again that the citizenry of any free society should pay heed to Franklins creed about essential liberties and temporary safety.

Funny how the right has blamed most of our country's ills on FDR and for almost 70 years when all he did was...save capitalism while politically and financially confirming the fruition of a federal banking regime that is in fact...most responsible for our ills. Yet, the right can't accept that we can and will blame Bush II for all of our ills we face now and that began only a few short years ago.

So yes, you've got it. Franklin's 'republic' is gone, or at least...on life support while the distracted, apathetic, cynical, partisan shrill is allowing the birth of new powers necessary for fascism, to coalesce...right before our very eyes.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 12:27:43 PM

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http://www.newsneconomics.com/2010/01/government-payroll-across-us.html

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Growth in Federal Payroll (population adjusted) ranking by President:

Johnson
Kennedy
Obama (after 1 year!!!!)
Eisenhower
Reagan
Ford
GWB
GHWB
Nixon
Clinton

Yup, all Bush's fault.

Here you go, Hill.

The top 3 federal job-creators were LBJ, JFK, and Obama, Democrats, while 4 out of the top 5 top federal job-slashers were Nixon, Bush, Bush, and Ford, Republicans. Interestingly, Clinton ranks first in cutting the federal payroll; it fell by almost 10% when the population grew by roughly the same amount - in adjusted terms, that's -18% fewer federal jobs.

This analysis, of course, does not account for recessions, budgets, or external factors that would differentiate payroll growth across periods. However, there is a correlation, as in Brazil, between party affiliation and the growth of the federal payroll.

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