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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 12:34:12 PM   
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http://www.newsneconomics.com/2010/01/government-payroll-across-us.html

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Growth in Federal Payroll (population adjusted) ranking by President:

Johnson
Kennedy
Obama (after 1 year!!!!)
Eisenhower
Reagan
Ford
GWB
GHWB
Nixon
Clinton

Yup, all Bush's fault.


Here you go, Hill.

The top 3 federal job-creators were LBJ, JFK, and Obama, Democrats, while 4 out of the top 5 top federal job-slashers were Nixon, Bush, Bush, and Ford, Republicans. Interestingly, Clinton ranks first in cutting the federal payroll; it fell by almost 10% when the population grew by roughly the same amount - in adjusted terms, that's -18% fewer federal jobs.

This analysis, of course, does not account for recessions, budgets, or external factors that would differentiate payroll growth across periods. However, there is a correlation, as in Brazil, between party affiliation and the growth of the federal payroll.




ty taz.  off to read and analyze.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 12:39:57 PM   
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Its really interesting some of the stuff I find while looking for willbe's links.

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Between 1984 and 2009, the average net worth of American families has decreased by about .7 percent. But for the folks in Washington that we elect year after year to make laws for us and spend our money, these past few decades haven't been so bad. Over the same time period that average Americans experienced a slight decrease in their net worth, members of Congress, on average, have enjoyed a increase in their worth of about 159 percent.


http://www.opencongress.org/



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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 12:43:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting.  I wonder why he left Carter out who cut the federal government payroll more than Reagan.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 12:49:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Because Carter cut the federal payroll more than Reagan, I'd imagine.
Reagan's first act on occupying the White House was to reinstate all of the little taxpayer funded luxuries Carter had pulled the plug on, while we're on this. It wasn't just staff cuts...

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 1:07:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Please note that was written in Jan 2010. One year into Obama's presidency... and its already been shown that many pay raises were given due to the policy of Bush before Obama took office. Not saying thats the bulk of the increase in Obama's payroll spending. Would be nice if someone found out how much though.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 1:13:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Like that's going to happen with people trying to stress that the Kenyan's a tax and spend democrat while the chimp's funding wars congress didn't want to approve through foreign debts was fiscal conservatism...

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 1:15:13 PM   
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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 1:18:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, but most of them seem to work on the Snark principle. I suppose they've learned it from Rush rather than Goebbels, if nothing else...

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 1:19:25 PM   
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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 1:23:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		He was well snarky, Ron. Well played.

I was thinking more of Lewis Carroll, though:
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As he landed his crew with care;
Supporting each man on the top of the tide
By a finger entwined in his hair.

"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true."


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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 2:22:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

http://www.newsneconomics.com/2010/01/government-payroll-across-us.html

quote:

Growth in Federal Payroll (population adjusted) ranking by President:

Johnson
Kennedy
Obama (after 1 year!!!!)
Eisenhower
Reagan
Ford
GWB
GHWB
Nixon
Clinton

Yup, all Bush's fault.

Here you go, Hill.

The top 3 federal job-creators were LBJ, JFK, and Obama, Democrats, while 4 out of the top 5 top federal job-slashers were Nixon, Bush, Bush, and Ford, Republicans. Interestingly, Clinton ranks first in cutting the federal payroll; it fell by almost 10% when the population grew by roughly the same amount - in adjusted terms, that's -18% fewer federal jobs.

This analysis, of course, does not account for recessions, budgets, or external factors that would differentiate payroll growth across periods. However, there is a correlation, as in Brazil, between party affiliation and the growth of the federal payroll.

Now the top link uses an adjustment for population to obscure total net added non-military, permanent federal workforce increases.

A few tidbits:

Carter: 12/31/76 2,883,000 Reagan 12/31/80 2,875,000...a REDUCTION of 8,000 jobs under a dem.

Reagan: 01/21/81 2,875,000, after his terms in office...3,113,000 an INCREASE of 238,000.

Bush I: 1/20/89 3,113,000 and at the end of one term...3,083,000 a REDUCTION of 30,000.

Clinton: 1/93 3,083,000 and in his terms...2,703,000 a REDUCTION of 383,000.

Bush II: 2,703,000 and in his terms...2,776,000 an INCREASE of 53,000.

Kinkroids, by the end of 2010, the United States STILL has less employees on the books than we did back in 1980 even though the population has grown from 226,545,805 to approximately 330,000,000 in 2010.

TOTAL NONMILITARY EMPLOYEES IN 1980 — 2,875,000
TOTAL NONMILITARY EMPLOYEES IN 2010 — 2,840,000 NET decrease in 32 years since Reagan took office.

As has been their tack from the beginning, the right wants to obscure and mislead and often need resort to what they deliberately omit. 88% of Obama TEMP. increase (over 300,000) was for the census only.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 2:32:19 PM   
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Another lefty ploy to invade our privacy.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 3:35:56 PM   
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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 4:04:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a damn shame that all the so called 'leftists' READ the fucking thing.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 5:43:06 PM   
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This is a typical thread proven to be wrong because of misunderstood/not read correctly details

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 5:45:03 PM   
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Interesting.  I wonder why he left Carter out who cut the federal government payroll more than Reagan.


Because I forgot when I typed it. duhhh.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 5:47:53 PM   
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Now the top link uses an adjustment for population to obscure total net added non-military, permanent federal workforce increases.






Obscure? You do realize that the federal government SUPPORTS THE POPULATION, right? The more people you SUPPORT the more people you need to SUPPORT them. The only thing obscure is your analytical abilities.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 5:56:47 PM   
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Interesting.  I wonder why he left Carter out who cut the federal government payroll more than Reagan.


Because I forgot when I typed it. duhhh.

HOW "CONVENIENT"

Would have eliminated the so-called typo if you had just supplied the link in the first place.

Also, who are the supposed 'leftists' who wouldn't read it anyway?

Every left AND right of center person here excepting you appears to have read and digested it thoroughly.

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 5:58:24 PM   
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Obscure? You do realize that the federal government SUPPORTS THE POPULATION, right? The more people you SUPPORT the more people you need to SUPPORT them. The only thing obscure is your analytical abilities.

Ummm, it's the other way around.

The population supports the government. I mean, you don't see us taxing them do ya?

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RE: Where are the leftists? - 12/27/2011 6:22:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		And the trillions in "support" to corporate America(can`t call them American anymore,they`re all international corporations, with no loyalty to America or Americans)?

What we need to do is throw their middle-class minions overboard and let the sink or swim.

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