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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:06:37 PM   
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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:10:25 PM   
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Ah hell, I am just a non college educated cafeteria manager that loves what I do every day.  I think I will have another doobie!

you are the kind of people that the world rely on:) salt of the earth
and respected, at least by me
for what its worth:)

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:11:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I disagree with you jstanothersub -- i really do not believe people aren't intelligent enough. Sorry if you want to believe they don't have the intelligence to graduate -- to me, its they either chose not to -- i.e. dropped out, or they have bad teachers, or their education is lacking.  I don't think the lack of graduating in MOST cases is due to less intelligence. 

To me, most people have the intelligence --- maybe they didn't obtain the correct education but intelligence -- no, most people have the potential for higher education. 

But where does that "they live a decent life" defined?  Is it a decent life for them, or them and a family.  What is a decent life?

Maybe i don't see these people as lessors.  I see them as people who do a different job then i do, i see them as people who i benefit from just as my employer benefits from me. 

I am not saying you are wrong in wanting to do better for the less fortunate, but i don't believe it's an employers responsibility to pay a person to make sure they have what they need to survive, i DO believe that employers should fairly pay people for the jobs they do.
Whether or not that pay will be enough for them to survive on, doesn't make a difference as long as they are paid a wage that is fair based on the job they do and is comparable to other salaries for that job in that standard of living environment-- within a range of course.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:11:28 PM   
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Where do you suggest people go and get jobs that have been lost to overseas countries with plentiful cheap labour ?

Ummm.. Think like an immigrant? Even before this "Great Recession", i looked at immigrants and how they live and operate, the asians, the east indians, hispanics..

they are disliked by many normal white folk cuz "there are 20 of em living in one house".. that is usually true,.. one overhead divided by 10 or however many.. and if they all work, even at menial, low paying jobs or grand parents taking care of the pre-school age kids, etc.. they think differently, some $$ is better than no $$ to them,.. they all put it into one pot and when they have saved enough (large downpayment), they invest it..

i sold one of my previous houses to a family of asians.. they all came to see the house, they all put their money into buying it to rent it out.. (it wasnt their first rental either)..

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:12:50 PM   
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the more intelligent folks are way above doing


Above ?

There is shame in certain types of honest work ? Money equals something tangible now ?

It didn't when I was making it and it doesn't now. I'll tell the President to go fuck off. I've not only said things to those with more money than I, I've shown disrespect in fucking spades.

You respect the money or the Man ? You are not above doing anything, all you can be is able to pay somebody else to do it, and that gets you fucking ZERO respect from me. I'm not saying you get none, but money means jack shit to me. So perhaps you should rephrase that.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:16:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Politesub that's what you don't get, IF that's what people feel needs to be changed then that's what they need to do CHANGE IT.  Not wait for someone else to do it.  If they can't get jobs because their jobs are overseas then they need to find other jobs they may be able to do, or change their education in some way.  Is that EASY hell no, i am not saying ANY of this is easy.  But you all want to be sooo specific that you fail to see the overall problem. 

Most of you are so caught up on blaming everyone else that you fail to see the POTENTIAL and possibility EACH INDIVIDUAL has to make fucking changes in this country.   People want to sit around crying about the wealthy and what they have, or call corporations criminals etc etc etc.   You know usually when you fix a problem you start at the beginning.  The beginning is with the individual, and as each individual changes and makes different choice and works to make those choices matter, it comes together in a bigger way.

People want to make changes at the top and wait and see if any of it filters down to them.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:19:04 PM   
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when I was nursing, we were only paid minimum wage
working 12 hour shifts, omost of my buddies wanted to immigrate to the US to get better money JUST FOR the money
The best ones stayed to actually do a job that mattered.
Thats where I come from doing it because Im was making a REAL difference to the people paying for my education
some might call me dumb.... i could give a rats ass, Id rather be poor than hooked up to doing something for the money.
Ive been doing sex toys lingerie, gear for twenty years on and off, why??
Because I REALLY enjoy it, not for the financial rewards.
My expectations of people dont relate to their education and earning potential, I find it shallow

oh, I wasnt knocking nurses! My mother was a nurse and worked dam hard!..
This woman was looking for work, she did in-home nursing and was having a hard time finding work after her last contract ended.. She had an education, a skill and knowledge,.. an edge over many people.. hispanics think differently, they will take a small job cuz its money they get now.. even if its less than they wanted to work for but in the absence of a better offer, they will take it..

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:22:29 PM   
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when I was nursing, we were only paid minimum wage
working 12 hour shifts, omost of my buddies wanted to immigrate to the US to get better money JUST FOR the money
The best ones stayed to actually do a job that mattered.
Thats where I come from doing it because Im was making a REAL difference to the people paying for my education
some might call me dumb.... i could give a rats ass, Id rather be poor than hooked up to doing something for the money.
Ive been doing sex toys lingerie, gear for twenty years on and off, why??
Because I REALLY enjoy it, not for the financial rewards.
My expectations of people dont relate to their education and earning potential, I find it shallow

oh, I wasnt knocking nurses! My mother was a nurse and worked dam hard!..
This woman was looking for work, she did in-home nursing and was having a hard time finding work after her last contract ended.. She had an education, a skill and knowledge,.. an edge over many people.. hispanics think differently, they will take a small job cuz its money they get now.. even if its less than they wanted to work for but in the absence of a better offer, they will take it..



Honestly I didnt think you were:)

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:23:40 PM   
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Most of you are so caught up on blaming everyone else that you fail to see the POTENTIAL and possibility EACH INDIVIDUAL has to make fucking changes in this country.   People want to sit around crying about the wealthy and what they have, or call corporations criminals etc etc etc.   You know usually when you fix a problem you start at the beginning.  The beginning is with the individual, and as each individual changes and makes different choice and works to make those choices matter, it comes together in a bigger way.


And you are too caught up in blaming the lower classes to realize that back door deals are being made, that influence is being exerted, that the hand washing going on is behind the scenes and no one gives a damn what the little people are doing.

The deck is stacked... hard.

And you expect those who arent at the table to shuffle?

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:23:59 PM   
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Ummm.. Think like an immigrant? Even before this "Great Recession", i looked at immigrants and how they live and operate, the asians, the east indians, hispanics..




Are you really suggesting people resort to living as described in your post ? It is hardly sanitary for onething, thats if the amount of menial jobs you suggest are still around.

I cant talk about the US but in the UK there is a shortage of first time buyers, caused by the housing price boom streaking ahead of average wages.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:25:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		And 10 people to a house thats rented is against the law in many communities... just for that reason.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:31:15 PM   
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Politesub that's what you don't get, IF that's what people feel needs to be changed then that's what they need to do CHANGE IT.  Not wait for someone else to do it.  If they can't get jobs because their jobs are overseas then they need to find other jobs they may be able to do, or change their education in some way.  Is that EASY hell no, i am not saying ANY of this is easy.  But you all want to be sooo specific that you fail to see the overall problem. 

Most of you are so caught up on blaming everyone else that you fail to see the POTENTIAL and possibility EACH INDIVIDUAL has to make fucking changes in this country.   People want to sit around crying about the wealthy and what they have, or call corporations criminals etc etc etc.   You know usually when you fix a problem you start at the beginning.  The beginning is with the individual, and as each individual changes and makes different choice and works to make those choices matter, it comes together in a bigger way.

People want to make changes at the top and wait and see if any of it filters down to them.

angel


Oh I get what you are saying, I am just telling you it is UNREALISTIC in todays job market.

As for calling corporations criminal, why do you think so many are facing charges or in prison ? Now tell me whose fault that is, because I sure as hell didnt tell Maddoff to start a ponzi scheme, I am sure those that lost everything because of him didnt either. What else do you call bankers Turst employees saying they have "Screwed the client" in order to make a buck. You are defending the undefendable here.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:32:18 PM   
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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:32:41 PM   
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And 10 people to a house thats rented is against the law in many communities... just for that reason.



Dont blind them with technicalities Tazzy, thats just not fair.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:34:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		None of this is "fair" Nor am I worried about "fair" Its just amazing at the lack of knowledge.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:36:46 PM   
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Ummm.. Think like an immigrant? Even before this "Great Recession", i looked at immigrants and how they live and operate, the asians, the east indians, hispanics..


Are you really suggesting people resort to living as described in your post ? It is hardly sanitary for onething, thats if the amount of menial jobs you suggest are still around.

I cant talk about the US but in the UK there is a shortage of first time buyers, caused by the housing price boom streaking ahead of average wages.

Ok, i was exaggerting a bit.. It is sort of being done just due to the recession, lots of kids have moved back in with their parents, people have doubled up cuz its more affordable.. the thing is that once the recession is over, they will get their own places again when they could (possibly) stay living together to save more and invest it instead of giving it to some landlord..

People could look at what they do and do something similar.. form an investment group/club with 10 or 20 like minded people.. pool money for one investment, then pool money for a second, etc.. it could be investing in rental real estate or it could be investing in stocks or whatever else they might want to invest in..

and yeah, the UK is a different situation, you have more people moving there than you have houses for them to buy, so prices have increased dramatically..

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:41:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good Grief Tazzy, what makes you think i am speaking of LOWER classes? I speak of what i know and that is mid to upper middle class and wealthy people -- or people who have been there. You know what the majority of this country used to be, who know what it is to have individual power.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:42:53 PM   
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None of this is "fair" Nor am I worried about "fair" Its just amazing at the lack of knowledge.


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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:47:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		i believe in the power of the US PEOPLE as a whole. i expect them to stop complaining and instead take action for themselves to begin with. Perhaps that's part of the problem, not enough people believe in the individual or the power they hold.

I believe many people are living a fantasy  or i could say a pity party world not in the real world. People seem to be demanding to be rescued, it is flabbergasting that they really believe that the corporations,  will what --suddenly change, that the laws will just be all skip to my lou for the people, that the wealthy will just say ohh well hell, i will stop what i am doing because those who can't do what i am doing are upset.

No, that is the rescue fantasy. What i am speaking about is the reality -- individuals will HAVE to step up to the plate and make the choices and changes to help themselves. No one else will do it for them.

The problem is -- too many people are content to wait for rescue -- yeah, there is whinging, blaming and moaning, but individuals aren't working to fix their individual issues and situations hard enough.

If expecting the US people to step up to the plate and rescue themselves is fantasy or wrong -- maybe you are right because it doesn't appear they want to take the personal responsibility to do so -- it's easier to blame everyone else.

angel

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 5:52:06 PM   
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Good Grief Tazzy, what makes you think i am speaking of LOWER classes?


GOOD GRIEF Angel. You speak for all the people, yet you admit you know nothing about the LOWER classes?

This country has 50% of its population making 32000 or less. Yet these are the people you do not know. The people you have been speaking for. The one's you are insisting should shuffle that deck.

Btw, that same 50% own 2.5% of the wealth in this country. Exactly how much power do you expect them to have?

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