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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 2:34:36 PM   
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I will admit that the surgeon should make more money...



Of course they should, but many on the LEFT side of the fence look at the surgeon as some sort of evil one-percenter for doing so.

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...it pains me that the floor sweeper and bathroom cleaners can not even make enough, working 40 hours a week, to pay for basic necessities.

If I knew how to fix it, I would be running for president.



I don't think that makes ANYONE happy... but as you stated, how do you "fix" it?!!  The LEFT feels you TAKE other people's money and redistribute it, where the RIGHT feels the "floor sweeper" has a responsibility to themselves to gain the needed skills to earn more in another profession.



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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 2:48:04 PM   
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And yet... I've answered your OP not once, not twice, but MULTIPLE times.  Gee... go figure?!! 




If you have nothing new to add to the topic, then please move along.



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This isnt about OWS... this is about income inequality. Not about rapes, not about anti-semitism, not about racism.

How about we stay on topic?



An excellent suggestion. Along with the suggestion of not reposting removed information.



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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 2:54:39 PM   
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If you have nothing new to add to the topic, then please move along.



I have "added" to the topic... see below...

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I will admit that the surgeon should make more money...



Of course they should, but many on the LEFT side of the fence look at the surgeon as some sort of evil one-percenter for doing so.

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...it pains me that the floor sweeper and bathroom cleaners can not even make enough, working 40 hours a week, to pay for basic necessities.

If I knew how to fix it, I would be running for president.



I don't think that makes ANYONE happy... but as you stated, how do you "fix" it?!!  The LEFT feels you TAKE other people's money and redistribute it, where the RIGHT feels the "floor sweeper" has a responsibility to themselves to gain the needed skills to earn more in another profession.




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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 3:00:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of course they should, but many on the LEFT side of the fence look at the surgeon as some sort of evil one-percenter for doing so.

CREDIBLE CITATION PLEASE.

The LEFT feels you TAKE other people's money and redistribute it, where the RIGHT feels the "floor sweeper" has a responsibility to themselves to gain the needed skills to earn more in another profession.


THAT OTHER PEOPLES MONEY WAS OURS, AND the government under republican administrations have seen that we are removed of it and given it to Corporations.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 3:02:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Once again, your lack of understanding is showing. Just how much does a surgeon earn a year? What do you feel is the minimum annual income required to qualify for the 1%? Do you really feel that there's no gap between the two sums?

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 3:07:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, if she could come up with say two factual, credible citations of some mainstream left saying that surgeons are evil one percenters, I would be willing to waive a necessary and sufficient condition of being 'many' clause for it, I can't do any more to accomodate. 

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 3:09:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		No one cares what the surgeon makes... what they care about is the fact that they cant make a livable wage because others feel they deserve more and more and more and more.

Want to see it in action? Remember when the minimum wage increase was being discussed?

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 3:14:07 PM   
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like Dems and Reps


This is NOT about Dems vs Reps

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 3:16:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think that's part of her point, tazzy.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 3:26:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello everyone. I have removed MANY posts that were off topic, quoted a pulled post, or replied to a pulled post.

Remain on the topic of Income inequality, and if you would like to start another topic about OWS then please do so.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 3:29:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have two daughters… one took advantage of the opportunity I provided for her and is now a VP at a data processing company making a 100k plus…The other decided she did not want to take the education opportunity I offered and is now working two 22 hr a week minimum wage jobs and is making a living but struggling. Who’s fault is it that she is making 1/6th the income of her sibling?

And tazzy she is making enough to live on minimum wage…just not enough to support a large family…she at least has enough sense not to have children she can’t support.

The point is anyone… from a rich or poor background, if they are motivated to earn a good living, can do it by taking advantage of the opportunities available to all. Now if they choose not to do this then they will have to live with the consequences.

You can make a living on minimum wage if you are careful with expenditures. That said I am all for government programs such as unemployment and retraining. Many good hard working people have lost jobs and need support while they retrain if necessary to regain their financial status.

Butch

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 3:43:23 PM   
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That said I am all for government programs such as unemployment and retraining. Many good hard working people have lost jobs and need support while they retrain if necessary to regain their financial status.
Butch

I agree with that, as long as its a good training program that can lead to better jobs. Unfortunately, some are just cash cows for companies that get paid to train people for pink collar getto jobs (like cooks assistant).. if you become trained to be a cooks assistant, then 10 years from now you will still be chopping veggies at near minimum wage..

That said, i do know a housewife that went into a govt training program to learn computers.. her hubby owned a tire store (I dont think it was doing very well which is why she needed to get training/a job).. she started with a company working on computers and last thing i heard, she advanced into sales, was happy, doing quite well and was earning more than her hubby did at his store.. she became the bread winner..

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 3:46:53 PM   
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the numbers are less than
]2% are in a full time job less than two years after the training.
The numbers that apply plus the companies using freshly trained grads for "Free" the actual employment percentages are lousy.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 3:53:50 PM   
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That is what my quotes were about yesterday, if people choose to remain in a stagnated job for 10 years and then wake up one day whining the company didn't do enough for them, that is their problem.  They are responsible to better themselves, its not other people's job to do so.  The opportunities are there, people just don't see them or don't want to because it may require some hard work, or they simply don't make it a priority for themselves.

On here, there is a saying people use -- about making someone a priority who sees you as an option -- something like that.

The same thing goes true for the individual person. If you make yourself an option for most people, they won't see you as a priority.

People need to regrasp personal responsibility.   Tony Robbins has a saying -- In life you either need inspiration or desperation.


The people who need inspiration are the people who don't wait for life to happen but make life happen. Those who need desperation won't do anything to change anything until the situation is desperate.

The problem is it seems most of our country is in the latter concept where it is only in desperation they demand change.  When in actuality, they should have been demanding it all along OF THEMSELVES!

To me, i think the American People have participated all in with this income issue that they are now speaking about.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 4:00:41 PM   
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having worked for many govmnt training and private training
the numbers are less than
]2% are in a full time job less than two years after the training.
The numbers that apply plus the companies using freshly trained grads for "Free" the actual employment percentages are lousy.

yes,.. I agree with you on that too.. thats why i said, as long as the training isnt for ghetto type jobs (which most seems to be)..

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 4:03:05 PM   
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why should they?
I happen to think tony Robbins is the biggest snake oil man in USA history
making millions out of people who should know better


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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 4:11:27 PM   
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having worked for many govmnt training and private training
the numbers are less than
]2% are in a full time job less than two years after the training.
The numbers that apply plus the companies using freshly trained grads for "Free" the actual employment percentages are lousy.

yes,.. I agree with you on that too.. thats why i said, as long as the training isnt for ghetto type jobs (which most seems to be)..

one of them I had in canada was for a bank one of the big ones
They took on thirty grads, over three years, didnt give them "regular hours" didnt give them benefits*altho their other staff had them* and all of them were given pink slips when the banks contract was over. None of them had jobs longer than six months after wards.
The giggle at awards lunches from the bank specials were they were freebie workers. The government honchos counted them as :successes: because they were off the unemployment figures for a year

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 4:20:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		laughs, i don't care much for him either but he has some damn good quotes:  Sorry to ruin your completely bitchy snark because i posted it but ya can't win them all:

I use QUOTES from him, which means as i have integrity, i say who said it.  Trying to make this about Tony Robbins instead of well the quote in and of itself is simply being off topic.

lol, yeah, having an expectation of personal responsibility, for seeking ways to improve yourself and your life and those you are responsible are not expectations people really should strive for -- you are absolutely correct.  It's better to sit at a deadend job for years never working to achieve better and then complain when desperation suddenly sets in and you decide none of its your fault.

Lucy, give it a rest -- my EXPECTATIONS are not some high level impossibility but ones based on personal responsibility, and completely self-serving to the individual to make his work more than some dead end job. 

To me, if people CHOOSE not to make the effort to make choices that will allow them more opportunities and to better themselves AND their situations, then they get what they get.  I guess it's easier to blame everyone else.

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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 4:23:05 PM   
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but your misconception is not my problem


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RE: Income inequality - 12/29/2011 4:26:39 PM   
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Not everyone has the same expectations as you
why should they?
I happen to think tony Robbins is the biggest snake oil man in USA history
making millions out of people who should know better

that walking across hot coals trick was pretty slick tho and great to get free PR, i gotta admit that..

but hey,.. it got him into the 1% club, didnt it..
(I had to add that to keep on the topic! )

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