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mnottertail -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/4/2012 10:02:59 AM)

fundamentally, you are the tinfoil here, you have essentially just argued that inflation has no effect. except you are arguing the devistation by inflation.  

You haven't produced any actual facts, just some postulates of very very dire doubt that cannot be easily proven or actual data provided.

If in your scenario money is 0, and this is and is only inflation and a grand scheme, then the price of everything, corn by example, should be equivalently inflated.

So, show me that the following are exactly and equivalently inflated percentagewise:

gold
corn
house
gun
diaper
boat
waterpark tickets


I await your researching and accounting tour de force.   



Real0ne -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/4/2012 10:48:09 AM)


I have shown that the system is a fraud and designed ot extract wealth from people.

You and all your ilk failed to show anything to the contrary as everything you have as a defense is nothing more than the shell game.

Again you want to use your shell game approach.

That approach is wrong and I demonstrated why. 

Again once the money is in the system no amount of juggling will change its effect.

Again you thought you were aiming at the barn and shot yourself in the foot.

carry on



mnottertail -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/4/2012 11:00:32 AM)

You have shown nothing of the kind, however nobody will disagree if they understand money that it is designed to distract money from others.


there is no shell game, it costs more to milk a cow now. 



Real0ne -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/4/2012 11:53:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
there is no shell game, it costs more to milk a cow now. 


alrightee then LOL

do tell!

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Hillwilliam -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/4/2012 12:26:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
there is no shell game, it costs more to milk a cow now. 


alrightee then LOL

do tell!

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stuff/miracle.jpg[/image]


That used to be me in Calculus class.



Real0ne -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/4/2012 12:56:17 PM)

thats funny because I had a physics teacher did the same crap with me.  He hated me because I insisted he explain all the little nuances in detail of what he was trying to teach.



Real0ne -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/5/2012 6:59:35 AM)

So much for your version then.



Grianghraf -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/5/2012 7:03:16 AM)

Why do Prices Keep Rising? Simple. The one percenters are ripping us off to give to wall street. That was simple.



Real0ne -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/10/2012 3:14:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Grianghraf

Why do Prices Keep Rising? Simple. The one percenters are ripping us off to give to wall street. That was simple.


yep good summary!

I have no idea why some people try and razzle dazzle us with bullshit as if they actually had anything to personally gain from it

they probly fancy themselves as part of the 1%

LOLOLOLOL!



Musicmystery -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/10/2012 5:22:22 AM)

To make the top 1 percent, a household must have AGI of $343,927 or more.

for residents of high-cost areas, such as much of California, New York or major urban areas, that amount, especially for dual-income families, is not that unusual.

$33,048 puts you in the top 50%.

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/top-1-percent-earn.aspx



Real0ne -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/10/2012 8:21:19 AM)

wow I feel so sorry for them!

I have to laugh at the way you pick charts that softens the blow.

Unfortunately there are no charts that combine inflation effects within the wealth data.   If they it would show the top 1% gets hit very little and the bottom 90% gets creamed!


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You have yet to post anything that directly attaches to and shows the devastation of straight up monetary inflation.   Hell you did not even bother to comment on investopedia who imo did a great job explaining it as well.

Now everyone here is getting older and where will that leave people with less that 2 million who are or will be on fixed incomes.






Musicmystery -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/10/2012 8:31:44 AM)

But none of that is in question.

Shall we next debate whether the sun is hot?



seekerofslut -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/10/2012 10:50:02 AM)

Here's one for adding to costs... Fined for not adding what does not exist.



Real0ne -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/12/2012 2:08:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

Long term inflation is strictly a monetary matter.


And this is monetarist dogma. As is their formula, MV = PQ.

Look. Suppose we increase the monetary supply 10%. But people start spending half what the spend now, consistently, and over time. M is up....but V is way down. If Q remains the same or grows sluggishly, the result will be dropping prices as inventory is cleared.




ok but I still cant find "VALUE" in there anywhere?  

WHY NOT?



Musicmystery -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/12/2012 3:08:17 PM)

Because you're unable/unwilling to stay on any one subject, and will change it to further an endless and pointless debate no matter what anyone posts.

Hence, valueless.




Real0ne -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/12/2012 3:38:09 PM)

nah nah not that easy lol

I am the one who made this thread and it has from the very beginning been about "VALUE" and you post velocity.

Like I said where is your formula for "VALUE".

That is how much your money is actually worth and it is measured in buying power.

Can you buy more with a dollar today or less than 50 years ago, or even 10 years ago?

YOu seem to feel you are the resident econo man so give it up!  the formula for VALUEin your economic model



Musicmystery -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/12/2012 3:42:14 PM)

This is pointless. You already know my answer, and I don't want to dance in circles with you.

The value is Q. These are the actual produced goods, the value in the economy.

P is the number assigned to it. M is the medium of exchange for it. V is how often that medium changes hands.

Nor is this my dogma. Y'all raised monetarists...that's their core formula.

Change the argument as often as you like, but again, you want to argue that inflation lowers monetary value, and duh, of course. Next.

You've just pissed cuz no one will argue with you. Pick something worth debating---something of value.



mnottertail -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/12/2012 3:49:28 PM)

There can be no formula for this 'VALUE'  in economics, in the way you have it.  Anyone who says that such a thing is

What is the VALUE of our economy?  What you gonna buy with it?  How do you equate that to another countries VALUE?   American houses and German houses are apples and oranges.  

So, we can buy two ears of american corn, and one russian, they can buy one ear of american corn and two russian...  what is the VALUE formulae?

V = ???? 

cuz this 'VALUE' has nothing to do with yesterday or tomorrow.  The VALUE in the sense you are doing everything but getting at has to do with this and only this:

What is the value of this house?   Whatever anyone would pay for it.

(thats the sum total of it) 




Musicmystery -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/12/2012 3:52:40 PM)

I value your response.




Real0ne -> RE: Why do Prices Keep Rising? (1/12/2012 4:02:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

This is pointless. You already know my answer, and I don't want to dance in circles with you.

The value is Q. These are the actual produced goods, the value in the economy.

P is the number assigned to it. M is the medium of exchange for it. V is how often that medium changes hands.

Nor is this my dogma. Y'all raised monetarists...that's their core formula.

Change the argument as often as you like, but again, you want to argue that inflation lowers monetary value, and duh, of course. Next.

You've just pissed cuz no one will argue with you. Pick something worth debating---something of value.


HUH?

then you dont mind explaining how Q = Value right? 



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