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tazzygirl -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/11/2012 1:55:04 PM)
I agree. You are entitled to your beliefs. Just as I am.

Moonhead -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/11/2012 2:01:00 PM)
Even Pope Adolph is entitled to his. However fucking absurd they are. (Doesn't mean anybody else has to like them, of course...)

DarkSteven -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/11/2012 2:24:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I thought he was raving mad when they appointed him. How in God's name is he managing to get even worse? He's actually improved since he was a member of the Hitler Youth. Seriously, after John Paul II, it was inevitable that there'd be a letdown. But this guy is in way over his head.

Aylee -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/11/2012 2:59:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I am merely speaking to his age at the time he was required to give service. He wasn't any younger than most of White Rose. The German Catholic teenagers of that generation who had the courage of their convictions were publically beheaded. One of the ones who didn't is now the fucking Pope. Am I the only one who finds this a bit troubling? I find it troubling that you did not prevent the Vietnam War.

BitaTruble -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/11/2012 3:07:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead He wasn't any younger than most of White Rose. The German Catholic teenagers of that generation who had the courage of their convictions were publically beheaded. One of the ones who didn't is now the fucking Pope. Am I the only one who finds this a bit troubling? "Gay marriage is a threat to humanity's future." Were these the words of the boy he was.. or the man he is today and how is the similar refrain different now than it was back in WWII? The man he 'is' seems to have much in common with the 'boy' he claimed never existed.

tweakabelle -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/11/2012 3:37:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I find it troubling you would have thought more of him had he lost his head instead of saving his own life. His religious principles mandated that he act similarly to the other youths and resist the Nazis. According to his religion, he was of sufficient age to make an informed choice. I can accept that this is a big ask of a 14 year old. I can easily understand any one that age failing this test. But failing that test seems to me to disqualify him from ever being Pope. When we add to that the outrageous defence of the Catholic Church's absurd and grossly oppressive position on reproductive morality, his apparent defence of child rapists until just a few years ago when the political climate made any further defence impossible, and the Church's ongoing opposition to condom use to prevent the spread of diseases such as HIV, it seems offensive, almost surreal for this person to be making and pronouncing moral judgements vilifying and inciting hate against people whose only crime is to love each other.

tazzygirl -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/11/2012 3:41:38 PM)
quote: His religious principles mandated that he act similarly to the other youths and resist the Nazis. 80 - 90% were conscripted into the HY. How did he act differently?

tweakabelle -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/11/2012 3:48:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: His religious principles mandated that he act similarly to the other youths and resist the Nazis. 80 - 90% were conscripted into the HY. How did he act differently? 'Other youths' here was a reference to the White Rose youths . There is a honourable tradition of opposition to Hitler and the Nazis within German Christendom. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, executed just a few days before the collapse of the Nazi regime, is one well known example of this noble tradition.

tweakabelle -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/11/2012 3:51:37 PM)
ooops! sorry people ... double post

tazzygirl -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/11/2012 4:03:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: His religious principles mandated that he act similarly to the other youths and resist the Nazis. 80 - 90% were conscripted into the HY. How did he act differently? 'Other youths' here was a reference to the White Rose youths . There is a honourable tradition of opposition to Hitler and the Nazis within German Christendom. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, executed just a few days before the collapse of the Nazi regime, is one well known example of this noble tradition. Were they not college students? How many were there? From what I can find, not that many. Would their message have reached all areas? With the rigid control the Nazi's had on any media, its rather unlikely a 14 year old would have even known about them.

farglebargle -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/11/2012 6:43:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl If he had been head at that time, I would agree with you. He was a boy. And Anne Frank was a girl. She didn't "go along to get along", did she?

tazzygirl -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/11/2012 6:47:35 PM)
She was hidden in a crawl space. That really has nothing to do with this.

GotSteel -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/11/2012 7:20:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead So would I. I wouldn't have lain claim in later life to a position that makes me Christ's vicar on Earth and the alleged moral superior of every other human being on the fucking planet if I had, though. I don't think being a nazi is even close to the worst thing he's done. I would think that if we're talking about things that should have disqualified him, his global conspiracy to aid and abet pedophiles should top the list.

tazzygirl -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/11/2012 7:45:14 PM)
quote: I would think that if we're talking about things that should have disqualified him, his global conspiracy to aid and abet pedophiles should top the list. Bingo! There are far more relevant things attack the Pope on than the actions he took as a 14 year old.

LaTigresse -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/12/2012 6:56:08 AM)
Indeed. I have for years, said that the Catholic church is one of the most evil and dangerous entities on the planet and nothing they, or any of their senior representative do, has managed to convince me otherwise.

farglebargle -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/12/2012 6:57:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: I would think that if we're talking about things that should have disqualified him, his global conspiracy to aid and abet pedophiles should top the list. Bingo! There are far more relevant things attack the Pope on than the actions he took as a 14 year old. He was a piece-of-shit at 14. He's a piece of shit at 20. He's a piece of shit at 40. He's a piece of shit now. Being Jewish, and you know, with family who went to the camps instead of doing what this "Pope" prospered for and got rich doing -- put on his best Nazi uniform, get down on his knees, and suck Nazi cock. I don't really care about the rationalizations for that. He did it, and therefore his soul is forever corrupt. Participating in the murder of 12 million innocents is one of them unpardonable things...

xssve -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/12/2012 8:06:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fetters4U Actually, the Pope means that gay marriage is a threat to the church's future, and is thus being a hypocrite but not an idiot. The Roman Catholic priesthood is a perfect beard for gay men. Consequently, conservative estimates are that in western nations, over 70% of priests are gay. Once gays are widely accepted and able to lead the full lives they deserve, there will be no need for them to become priests. Once they drop out of the priest pool, the church will have a vast shortage of manpower. Moreover, most of the priests they have left will be pedophiles or true believers, and no one wants them around. It is a pity the Pope did not list the other "threats to humanity". The Roman Catholic church would be in my top five for sure. The harm they have caused in the last 1000 years is incalculable. By the way, isn't the Pope a single guy in his later years, known for being obsessively interested in fashion and dressing well? He is prissy and fastidious. Hey, I am just saying... Ed There's more than a grain of truth to that, it was a good way for gay men to escape persecution in the Middle Ages, and it's been made pretty clear from his handling of the pedophila scandal that Ratzinger mainly sees threats to his cushy job.

tazzygirl -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/12/2012 8:55:46 AM)
quote: Being Jewish, and you know, with family who went to the camps instead of doing what this "Pope" prospered for and got rich doing -- put on his best Nazi uniform, get down on his knees, and suck Nazi cock. I don't really care about the rationalizations for that. He did it, and therefore his soul is forever corrupt. Participating in the murder of 12 million innocents is one of them unpardonable things... Yes, I do know. I also know Jewish people who do not hold against him what he did as a child. What he does as a man is another story.

farglebargle -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/12/2012 9:13:31 AM)
At 14, he's a year after his bar-mitzvah. He's no child.

Kirata -> RE: Gay marriage a threat to humanity's future: Pope (1/12/2012 9:18:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle At 14, he's a year after his bar-mitzvah. He's no child. I don't care what Jewish tradition says, 14 is still a fucking kid. K.

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