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yourplaytoy2use -> the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 12:14:12 AM)

Truth is the world is changing, so many Mistresses, dommes, they are not fullfilling the rule. Take us subs and slaves into your homes, how else will we be trained. Train us even if we are not yours forever, if not we will find the wrong way or not at all. So many of us are left out and about not learning not enduring. You mark my words what is plentyful now will one day not be so. Keep making us pay to find our way and youll regret it later. Many of us are just starting to experience what you want us to, and you put all these dumb restrictions. We want to serve it is just you dont want to train us. Get yourselves stable and take us in so we can grow to give what you all need. I may be just a bit wrong but for as long as i have been looking i should be owned by now. Take out your strapons and open your closets, we need you.
sub/slave




xxblushesxx -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 12:31:01 AM)

Kevvie?




Ishtarr -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 12:37:37 AM)

So let me ask you this to start:

Will any Domme do?

You are seeking to serve, and just to serve, right?

So will any woman do?

What about any person?

Will any Dom do?

Or, is it that you seek a specific kind of woman? A woman with specific kind of interests?

You profile mentions strap-on training, would a Domme who doesn't like to use strap-ons be okay?
What about a Domme who doesn't like queening?
What about a Domme who doesn't like hood, humiliations or spanking?

What about a Domme who doesn't like any of the things you have on your "lives for" list but who loves public place, the only thing you have on your "dislike" list? Would a Domme like that do?

Would you serve such a Domme diligently and faithfully to only please her and her fetishes, while all of yours get ignored?

If not, why not?

Could it be that you're not looking for any Domme, but a very specific kind o Domme?
Could it be that you're looking for a Domme who will satisfies those urges you are seeking to have satisfied by having a Domme, whatever those urges may be?

And if you're looking for "your" specific kind of Domme, a Domme who will satisfy what YOU need from her...
then why the fuck can't she do the same?

Why the fuck are you implying that just because YOU want something, you should be entitled to have woman cater to you and give it to you.
Why the fuck are you implying that just because YOU want to "serve", Dommes who aren't interested in your kind of "service" should take you on and "train" you, if even for a while.
Why the fuck are you implying that YOU are entitled to have fetishes, dreams, desires and demands and that Dommes should take you and train you despite those fetishes, dreams, desires and demands not jiving with theirs.
Why the fuck are you implying that YOU are entitled to being trained while looking for "your" perfect Domme when that means that a Domme wouldn't be allowed to search for "her" perfect sub because she would be too damn busy catering to every entitled loser out there.

Why exactly is it that Dommes aren't fulfilling their supposed "role" when they are picky, because they have standards?
Why would a Domme be fucking obligated to "train" people she isn't fucking interested in?
Are you obligated to serve Dommes you aren't interested in?

If you ask me, YOU are the one not fulfilling your role.
Because if you really feel that Dommes are obligated to "train" people they aren't interested in, then surely you agree that subs are obligated to serve Dommes they aren't interested in in ways they don't want to serve, without getting their own fetishes fulfilled.
And if you really feel you're obligated to "serve" without regards to your own person and fetishes, then why the fuck aren't you cleaning the dog shit that has accumulated in my backyard because of the snow?
And when you're done with that, I have another fucking list of things to do for you around the house... after which you can go home and wait until I need you again.
Because after all... seeing that that's the kind of "service" you expect Dommes to provide for you... you really ought tostep up to the plate and offer it, after all... you owe us, otherwise you're not "fulfilling your role".




yourplaytoy2use -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 1:37:13 AM)

yeah, now we have a debate. I just keep hearing that us subs are so wrong, i see a thinker, so accept my apology now. It is a two way street, although more one sided than it is often believed. i do appreciatte your candor, and your insight, so please allow me mine. I do like the idea of touching someone elses cords enough to invoke some sort of response, i just figured that noone was out there with any real feeel one way or the other. But now that i have your attention.....
Yes interests should coincide at some point, but the short while i served i learned a bit about the unknown, i served and did not get exactaly what i thought, but i did enjoy it.
It is so hard to know for sure. How to wade through the endless what can you do for me, can be daunting on both ends. I look forward to your words of wisdom, and thank you for posting your stand on the issue at hand.
sub/slave




DarkSteven -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 3:59:17 AM)

Here's your response.

1. Truth is the world is changing, so many Mistresses, dommes, they are not fullfilling the rule. 

How is the world changing?  What that that have to do with Dommes not fulfilling their role?  What IS their role, and how are you as a newbie qualified to state it?

2.  Take us subs and slaves into your homes, how else will we be trained.

Hell, no!  You are claiming to speak for all male subs, speaking to all Dommes?  And you are demanding they open up their homes to you?  Their goal is to get to know their men, not to jump into the men's fantasies instantly.   And they can train and have a healthy relationship prior to living together.  Are you just looking for free rent?

3. Train us even if we are not yours forever, if not we will find the wrong way or not at all.

The purpose of training is to get a sub to behave as a Domme wants.  It is NOT to fix a sub's life.

4. So many of us are left out and about not learning not enduring. You mark my words what is plentyful now will one day not be so. Keep making us pay to find our way and youll regret it later.

Again, you claim to speak for all male subs.  When did they elect you a spokesman?  That "you'll regret it later" gave the the chills.  Who on earth would invite a threatening person into their home?

5.  Many of us are just starting to experience what you want us to, and you put all these dumb restrictions.

You expect to walk up to any Domme, and have her accept you with no conditions? 

6. We want to serve it is just you dont want to train us.

There are Dommes and male subs who every day start up relationships.  Yet you claim that you speak for all male subs and that they're all getting rejected.

7. Get yourselves stable and take us in so we can grow to give what you all need.

Um, you're demanding that they get themselves stable?  Dude, you're not only presumptuous and demanding, but completely unclear on the word "stable".

8. I may be just a bit wrong but for as long as i have been looking i should be owned by now.

So you're striking out with your approach.  Your solution is for the world to change and not you?  If your approach is failing, you need to change.  Not whine, change.

9. Take out your strapons and open your closets, we need you.

So in addition to opening their houses to you, they should open their toy chests, too?

Fella, get counseling.  You have a huge sense of entitlement, and are objectifying Dommes and not seeing them as people.  Try some vanilla dating first to get to learn how to deal with women.

Good luck.

Edited to add:
quote:

ORIGINAL: yourplaytoy2use

It is so hard to know for sure. How to wade through the endless what can you do for me, can be daunting on both ends.


Um.  You may not understand how the D/s dynamic works.  Simply, a submissive serves.  My sub, for example, loves to do "girly" things and would prefer to do housework.  But she's damn handy with home repair and I am hopeless there.  So she spends more time doing that than she'd like.  She does it because she loves to serve me.

If people are getting worn down by finding out how a sub can serve, there's a BIG problem.  Either the Domme can't communicate, or the sub doesn't know his abilities.




xxblushesxx -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 4:06:57 AM)

Steven, I believe in number one, he said that dommes have not been following "the rule" not "their role" (although I see how you could have extrapolated that)
Does anyone know where this rule is written? (I'm assuming on a stone somewhere in a temple, but no one tells you these things when you first sign up...)




thishereboi -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 4:08:07 AM)

quote:

I may be just a bit wrong but for as long as i have been looking i should be owned by now.


Well maybe you should take a look at the constant in the equation. I seriously doubt that every women you have met is doing it wrong.




DarkSteven -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 4:10:32 AM)

You're right, Christina, I misread.  But the comment stands even with the word corrected.  He's claiming to speak for all male subs, even the ones who are in happy relationships.  




MissKittyDeVine -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 4:12:13 AM)

You´re confusing me with someone who gives a rat´s ass.

quote:

ORIGINAL: yourplaytoy2use

Truth is the world is changing, so many Mistresses, dommes, they are not fullfilling the rule. Take us subs and slaves into your homes, how else will we be trained. Train us even if we are not yours forever, if not we will find the wrong way or not at all. So many of us are left out and about not learning not enduring. You mark my words what is plentyful now will one day not be so. Keep making us pay to find our way and youll regret it later. Many of us are just starting to experience what you want us to, and you put all these dumb restrictions. We want to serve it is just you dont want to train us. Get yourselves stable and take us in so we can grow to give what you all need. I may be just a bit wrong but for as long as i have been looking i should be owned by now. Take out your strapons and open your closets, we need you.
sub/slave





LaTigresse -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 4:33:13 AM)

Go whine elsewhere.

Some of us dominant types are busy doing things that many of you self labels s-types think you are too good to do. Like shoveling a fucking mountain of snow so we can go to work. Something else a lot of you self labeled s-types seem to think you are too good to do, yanno, work.

Amazing, I know. Dominant women being human beings, being responsible, doing things because they have to be done, not because they are particularly fun.

A lot of self titled s-types could learn a lot from that.




anynameshoulddo -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 4:43:53 AM)

The OP is right.Male submissives in this "bdsm" lifestyle get treated like garbage.The BDSM community has become so use to this discrimination,that they don't even try to hide it.If your a sub without a lot of money,then you have to deal with extra discrimination in this lifestyle.As a lifelong submissive myself,it gets old.I am at the point where its simply just easier to try and live a bogus vanilla lifestyle,then to keep living this fake fetish lifestyle that is full of nothing but nonsense.

Its bad enough that a male submissive has to deal with all this trash that comes from the "vanilla" community.Since most male subs are weak,gay,sissies and any other name you can think of to devalue a sub.Its even worse when that same blind sided mentality comes from those who are suppose to "understand".I use to think people in this lifestyle were more open minded and accepting of other peoples lifestyle choice because of the nature of our interests.Not even close.




xxblushesxx -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 4:50:23 AM)

Ooooh...Kevvie times 2! (when just one just won't do...) [;)][;)]




searching4mysir -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 4:56:25 AM)

FR

FFS OP, why would a domme want a lazy-assed whiner like you?

You are not submissive....though you may be a bottom.

When you treat women like fetish delivery services, you need to learn that you have to pay for that service, so keep breaking out the credit card because that is the ONLY thing that might make being in your presence tolerable.




searching4mysir -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 4:58:01 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: anynameshoulddo

The OP is right.Male submissives in this "bdsm" lifestyle get treated like garbage.



Only when you treat the dommes like refuse collectors. Try standing up on your own two feet and having something other than your dick and ass to offer.




anynameshoulddo -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 5:04:03 AM)

It shouldn't be too much a surprise though really.After all,what else can a person expect from a lifestyle like this?its a life where the domme/master/mistress is treated like "devine intervention" while the slave/subs of this lifestyle are suppose to be treated like an animal.Can't really expect too much else from a community that thinks like that.




xxblushesxx -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 5:04:30 AM)

It so interesting that someone who just joined up today should stumble upon this thread and feel compelled to buck the trend of what everyone but the OP is saying and stand up for lazy sub's rights.
It fairly boggles the mind.
(oh, and welcome to collarme anyname...)




anynameshoulddo -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 5:12:27 AM)

Granted,the OP does make some unreasonable requests.That said though,overall he does make some interesting points.




Hillwilliam -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 5:12:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: anynameshoulddo

its a life where the domme/master/mistress is treated like "devine intervention" while the slave/subs of this lifestyle are suppose to be treated like an animal.



So, what's your fuckin' point?




xxblushesxx -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 5:16:02 AM)

It's so cute when they clone themselves...




anynameshoulddo -> RE: the new submissive/slave (1/13/2012 5:18:49 AM)

The point is that very few of you so called "doms" out there hardly deserve that kind of respect.I highly doubt in any other area of life,most of you would hardly be worthy enough to be called a dom/master/mistress whatever.




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