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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:09:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Again I could be wrong but I think there are specific laws in the US to protect whistle blowers...They seem to be working and would not be affected by this bill that I can see.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:13:38 AM   
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This is actually simple.  There are four cases:

1. Site administered in the US, viewer in the US.
2. Site administered outside of US, viewer in the US.
3. Site administered in the US, viewer outside the US.
4. Site administered outside the US, viewer outside the US.

If SOPA/PIPA passes, then #1 will be affected and #4 will not be affected.  The impact on SOPA/PIPA on #2 and #3 is unclear.  Lucy is presumably concerned about case #2 - how will it affect her viewers, and will it impact her web traffic?


not only affects my web traffic, but my suppliers, my banking, my hosting and my customers.


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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:14:44 AM   
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this could easily shut down whistleblowers


I wish there were concern about the revenue and jobs lost to the artists whose work is stolen, and for those who leave the field because they can't compete when their work is pirated.


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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:15:55 AM   
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not only affects my web traffic, but my suppliers, my banking, my hosting and my customers.


How?

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:18:26 AM   
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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:20:00 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Cute. But still hysteria, not reason.

Tell me....what's so free about having my work stolen, and for that to be OK?

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:22:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Again I could be wrong but I think there are specific laws in the US to protect whistle blowers...They seem to be working and would not be affected by this bill that I can see.
Butch

lol you are so wrong,... they want to court martial one of the wikileak whistleblowers.. one state tried to shut to shut down wikileaks also.. the US govt has tried but his servers are located in countries that wont let the US succeed, that plus he uses mirror sites, etc.. The US govt has a serious hard-on for Assange and Wikileaks.. imo these bills will shut him down, in the US at least and various other countries where the US will continue to push for the same laws to be enacted.. The US will look like China in its ability to control the internet and the US sheeple..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/12/bradley-manning-court-martial
http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/judge-rules-against-privacy-and-free-speech-twitterwikileaks-case

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:23:46 AM   
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Ah, freedom.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:26:54 AM   
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And theft can continue unfettered.

Ah, freedom.

freedom? the US sheeple dont have the freedom they think they have, its an illusion (but dont let reality spoil that for you), they will have considerably less if these laws are passed..

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:29:29 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Yup. I don't even have the freedom to practice my craft without it being stolen, thanks to all you freedom fighters.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:30:53 AM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		THere is a company out there ..a lingerie company, that doesnt allow you to sell their products on the same site as sex toys.
That is one of the agreements you have to agree to when you deal with them thru their own personal website.

dealing with a distributor in canada I can order their goods and use the pictures provided by the distributing company.
If the said company above... finds their picture on my site, they can complain, get my site shut down, without recourse.

The DoJ or the copyright owner would be able to commence a legal action against the alleged infringer and the DoJ would be allowed to demand that search engines, social networking sites and domain name services block access to the targeted site. In some cases, action could be taken to block sites without first allowing the alleged infringer to defend themselves in court.


Now, I dont actually sell their lingerie, because I had been warned about this from my lawyer many years ago, when I was a newbie but a distributor did piss off the mother company, they went after all the customers of the distributor.
Losing my business ability for weeks, months, etc is not something that sits well for me.

now, do I need to meet your approval for just not liking a censorship bill and protesting it or what?

to the poster who claimed its just about politics and loving obama... Suck this



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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:33:18 AM   
Musicmystery


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If the said company above... finds their picture on my site, they can complain, get my site shut down


So don't use their picture.

Hell, my undergrads learn this on their first designs.

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not liking a censorship bill


Still an anti-piracy bill, as your example illustrates.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:36:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		You have a strong point, Lucy. A site would be judged by the DOJ before the courts had a chance to determine if the site was truly not in compliance.

How often does our justice system make mistakes? Are we now believing the system can oversee this without any?

Lets say the shut Lucy's site down for infringement... and they were wrong. How long would her site be blocked? How long before the issue is addressed in the courts, and what about the loss of income while thats being determined?

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:39:28 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		And what about the infringements?

See, the plan for addressing piracy here is "let 'er ride."

What about THAT income? What about the justice there?'

Because that's real, long-standing, recurring injustice...not the hypthetical what-ifs projections people are proposing.

People cannot earn a living in their own field because the bulk of their work is stolen.

That should bother someone.

That it doesn't is exactly why the law will need to step up to address it instead.



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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:41:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tj444

Anytime the govt, especially the US govt, gets its sticky fingers into anything they just tend to create a bigger mess.. and often times there are those pesky not-so-little unintended consequences..



Like NDAA, Patriot Act, etc., the US government would never abuse SOPA. The government can be trusted. It says so.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:42:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		My problem isnt with the law, or the belief that copy righted material being protected. My problem is with the potential complications that rise from implementing that law. Due process. The US justice system isnt that infallible that I can believe there wont be mistakes.

Two wrongs never make anything right.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:43:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		tazzy why not be aware of the new law...and if there is any question about copyright do a little research and contact the parties involved for clarification.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:45:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, the DOJ is totally out of the loop on much of the drastic action allowed by SOPA. For example, there is absolutely no due process or judicial review to force credit card companies to stop servicing websites or businesses. All that has to happen is for a corporation to notify an ISP that someone has infringed on their copyright (by a link to an article, for example).

From The Standford Law Review:

"SOPA establishes a scheme under which an IP rights holder need only notify credit card companies of the facts supporting its “good faith belief” that an identified Internet site is “primarily designed or operated for the purpose of” infringement. The recipients of that notice will then have five days to cease doing business with the specified site by taking “technically feasible and reasonable” steps to prevent it “from completing payment transactions” with customers. And all of this occurs based upon a notice delivered by the rights holder, which no neutral third party has even looked at, let alone adjudicated on the merits.'

http://www.stanfordlawreview.org/online/dont-break-internet

Un-American, un-democratic, un-Constitutional.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:46:41 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		So just keep the status quo, right?

Ignore the real problem for perceived possibilities.

SO not with you on this. The law is 30 years overdue.

If you're worried about the evil government crushing the Internet, worry the that U.S. government OWNS the Internet, and can actually do whatever it wants with it. Fear that.

Geez.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:50:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		A law is overdue, I am unclear that this is THE law.



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