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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:50:44 AM   
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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:51:04 AM   
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If the said company above... finds their picture on my site, they can complain, get my site shut down


So don't use their picture.

Hell, my undergrads learn this on their first designs.

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not liking a censorship bill


Still an anti-piracy bill, as your example illustrates.

LMAO
There are no alternative pictures or choices beyond taking pictures on a different model.
I have 2000 items on my webstore.
Reality is... Im not going to order 2000 products or pay for or photograph 2000 products to get my own pictures when my distributor sends them to me legally.
take that how you will.

And dont get me started on the payment and hosting parts
Im done feeling like I have to justify my protest.
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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:57:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

I doubt this law can be stopped: the purpose of politicians always is to screw the voter.

If it goes through, I expect people to move away from the USA-Internet. Who needs the USA?

Europe can start its own Europenet and people in the rest of the world could then switch their web from the USA to Europe. Let's exclude the USA, just like one of them former Soviet republics now excludes the rest of the world.

Or start your own microweb in your own neighborhood. No Internet providers breathing in your neck and no copyright trolls violating the privacy of your communications.


a) Global IPv4 networks do not work that way
b) Global IPv6 networks do not work that way
c) root-servers.net has US servers, which means that entities under the US jurisdiction will continue to be able to affect non-US parts
d) most of CDNs rely on connectivity to efficiently distribute content to the edge
e) quite a few European providers drag the traffic to the US in order to interconnect with Asia as it is much cheaper than to do it in Europe and Asia directly

It makes me giggle when those that don't pay for 99% of services on the Internet think someone is doing to provide them for free on a micro level.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 9:58:39 AM   
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If you're doing so legally, then there's no problem.

Laugh it that's funny, fine.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:00:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Do me a favor and show me where I said to keep the status quo?

Do me a favor and show me how not changing the law isn't keeping the status quo.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:00:23 AM   
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Uh, no, it mostly about allowing media companies to control content on the interne.
It is not. It is about dropping destroying the first sale doctrine. You no longer buy content from its owners. Rather you license it. And the stupid US population loves this model without understanding what it actually means.


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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:02:08 AM   
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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:02:20 AM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		I didnt say anything about changing the law. I said I didnt like the implications of how it would be implemented.

Now, Lucy showed that part. I am starting to read through the bill. If you can show me she was wrong.......

The DoJ or the copyright owner would be able to commence a legal action against the alleged infringer and the DoJ would be allowed to demand that search engines, social networking sites and domain name services block access to the targeted site. In some cases, action could be taken to block sites without first allowing the alleged infringer to defend themselves in court.

I would greatly appreciate you doing so.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:03:14 AM   
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Rant aside, how exactly is addressing piracy "censorship"? As for complete control, the Internet runs of federal infrastructure--it has had complete control from the start, if it wanted/wants; it could turn off in a second.
It does not. The last part of federal infrastructure disappeared when ANS became a private company.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:03:27 AM   
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Then I'd say you take the risk of using copyrighted material without permission.

If you're doing so legally, then there's no problem.

Laugh it that's funny, fine.

I have permission :) from the distributors. im doing nothing illegal
but that wouldnt stop SOPA
be realistic
Ive been doing this for 11 years, Im not as stupid as you give me credit for
yes
I know what I just said


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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:06:00 AM   
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I have permission :) from the distributors. im doing nothing illegal
but that wouldnt stop SOPA
be realistic


Oh. The sky is falling.

Now I get it.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:08:53 AM   
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Yeah...and I'm not responsible for the stolen goods that found their way onto the back of my van either.
This is the Internet. Sites pop up and vanish all that time. Without real teeth, copyright enforcement is just a game of whack a mole.
You have no clue about this topic. The difference between this crap and less crappy DMCA ( which also sucks ) is that under DMCA you had to assert, under the penalty of perjury that you are the copyright holder in the take down notice. Incorrect assertion opened you to a liability.

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YouTube does an excellent job. And no one's going after them.
Again, you have no clue. Viacom v. Youtube.



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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:11:31 AM   
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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:14:07 AM   
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I'll unblock my site, redact my thoughts on the subject and recall my signatures and stop thinking like chicken little because you dont see why people are upset.
Ill get right on that.
when hell freezes over


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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:14:10 AM   
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I think this bill only affects US internet services it has no authority over anyone outside the US...they are free to steal and use information and services in any way they please...just not in the US
ICANN is under the US jurisdiction. So is IANA and ARIN. Case closed.


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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:16:16 AM   
Musicmystery


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I'll unblock my site, redact my thoughts on the subject and recall my signatures and stop thinking like chicken little because you dont see why people are upset.
Ill get right on that.
when hell freezes over


Do what you want. I entirely see why people are upset.

And it's over nothing, while ignoring a continuing problem.

You'll be in business the next day. And the next year. Etc.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:19:03 AM   
RakeAndCo


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And yet....YouTube is here.
http://bit.ly/zO4hqk

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:23:37 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Oh. Sarcasm. Very logical and thoroughly convincing.

If I run a market, and the goods coming through it are stolen, and I said, "Well, what am I supposed to do about it?" that would never fly.

The only difference here is a culture accustomed to ignoring the law for lack of enforcement.




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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:24:55 AM   
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Theres SO much "nothing" that these organisations have come out against it... what a waste of time!

Specific Organizations Opposing H.R.3261

Creators’ Freedom Project
Engine Advocacy
4chan
Boing Boing
Creative Commons
Daily Kos
Disqus
Grooveshark
Hype Machine
Kickstarter
MetaFilter
O'Reilly Radar
Techdirt
Torrentfreak
Go Daddy
NetCoalition
Consumer Electronics Association
Computer and Communications Industry Association
Public Knowledge
Electronic Frontier Foundation
EDUCAUSE
Open Internet Coalition
Bloomberg
Google
Yahoo
Center for Democracy & Technology
Business Software Alliance
Twitter
Zynga
Facebook
AOL
Marc Andreessen, co-founder of Netscape and Andreessen Horowitz
Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google
Jack Dorsey, co-founder of Twitter and Square
Caterina Fake, co-founder of Flickr and Hunch
David Filo, co-founder of Yahoo!
Reid Hoffman, co-founder of LinkedIn
Arianna Huffington, co-founder of The Huffington Post
Chad Hurley, co-founder of YouTube
Brewster Kahle, founder of the Internet Archive and co-founder of Alexa Internet
Elon Musk, co-founder of PayPal
Craig Newmark, founder of craigslist
Pierre Omidyar, founder of eBay
Biz Stone, co-founder of Obvious and Twitter
Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation
Evan Williams, co-founder of Blogger and Twitter
Jerry Yang, co-founder of Yahoo!
Progressive Change Campaign Committee
Tumblr
Mozilla
Union Square Ventures
MoveOn
Wikimedia Foundation
eBay
Reddit
American Civil Liberties Union
Consumers Union
American Library Association
Computer & Communications Industry Association
Human Rights First
Consumer Federation of America
Human Rights Watch
Microsoft
United States Student Association
Irregular Times
TechNet
Information Technology Industry Council
Association of Research Libraries
Entertainment Consumers Assocation
Writers Guild of America, West
Reporters Without Borders
Freedom House
Association of College and Research Libraries
Competitive Enterprise Institute
TechAmerica
TechFreedom
Demand Progress
U.S. Public Interest Group
Internews
New America Foundation’s Open Technology Initiative
Center for Media Justice
Center for Rural Strategies
Brookings Institute
American Society of News Editors
Benetech
Rackspace
OpenDNS
Stack Overflow
Expedia
Wikipedia
WordPress
Free Software Foundation
Kaspersky
Etsy
Tech Crunch
Quora
Petzel
ICanHasCheezburger
Scribd
LinkedIn
PayPal
Huffington Post
Tucows
Raw Story
Internet Archive
Miro
Universal Subtitles



Including the co founder of YOUTUBE

< Message edited by Lucylastic -- 1/18/2012 10:25:38 AM >

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:29:58 AM   
Musicmystery


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yeah its nothing but my livlihood, thanks SO much


As it used to be mine, before piracy made it completely unfeasible. Thanks SO much.

I"M concerned with something that IS happening. YOU'RE concerned about a fantasy about projected fears.

Tell me....what are all you concerned citizens going to do to address the piracy issue?

Oh, nothing. "Business"...er...theft....as usual.

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