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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:34:16 AM   
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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:38:43 AM   
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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:41:00 AM   
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Thats a tad bit hypocritical.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:44:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hypocritical, tazzy, is waving a "free speech" flag to protect piracy.

And more than a tad.

There will be a burden of responsibility on sites. There always should have been.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:45:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Im not saying there shouldnt be.

I agree there should be.

I disgree with the ability of anyone except a court being able to close down a site.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:46:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		So what is your reason for not only denigrating, but also pissing on my opinon and experience down over four pages?
You dont get a pass because you lost money to pirating. That is NOT my fault, I had no part in it and I refuse to take ANY responsibility.
I havent denied piracy is a problem but please dont let that tiny fact bother you.



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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:48:24 AM   
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So what is your reason for not only denigrating, but also pissing on my opinon and experience down over four pages?


Bullshit. I asked how this affected you, and got fears about hypotheticals.

I also told you do do what you want.

This is an emotional response from you, not a reasoned one.

You haven't offered any solutions to piracy either, incidentally--which is GOING to take enforcement of the law.




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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:52:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is this like the rant that if you dont speak up about corupt cops you are for them
or if you dont speak out against fundamentalist islamists you must be for them?
or if you dont speak out against rape you are repsonsible for it?
WTF stupidness is that.
This is DISTRUST of the Bill and the powers
NOT FOR piracy
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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:55:52 AM   
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I've been asking that for 30 years.

30 years ago? You blame the internet for piracy decades before the computer and internet even became a part of everyday life? wow..

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 10:58:33 AM   
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I blame piracy. The Internet merely sped that up considerably.

From affordable tape recorders to mp3 and beyond, it's still a dodging of responsibility.

This bill is a long overdue step toward policing that theft.

Btw...

The history of the Internet began with the development of computers in the 1950s. This began with point-to-point communication between mainframe computers and terminals, expanded to point-to-point connections between computers and then early research into packet switching. Packet switched networks such as ARPANET, Mark I at NPL in the UK, CYCLADES, Merit Network, Tymnet, and Telenet, were developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s using a variety of protocols. The ARPANET in particular led to the development of protocols for internetworking, where multiple separate networks could be joined together into a network of networks.

In 1982 the Internet Protocol Suite (TCP/IP) was standardized and the concept of a world-wide network of fully interconnected TCP/IP networks called the Internet was introduced. Access to the ARPANET was expanded in 1981 when the National Science Foundation (NSF) developed the Computer Science Network (CSNET) and again in 1986 when NSFNET provided access to supercomputer sites in the United States from research and education organizations. Commercial internet service providers (ISPs) began to emerge in the late 1980s

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/history-of-the-internet#ixzz1jq1ZCcz2


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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 11:01:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

So what is your reason for not only denigrating, but also pissing on my opinon and experience down over four pages?


Bullshit. I asked how this affected you, and got fears about hypotheticals.

I also told you do do what you want.

This is an emotional response from you, not a reasoned one.

You haven't offered any solutions to piracy either, incidentally--which is GOING to take enforcement of the law.




No me being emotional would get me banned. It hasnt happened yet.
My reasoning is my reasoning, the fact you dont like it , well thats just too bad.
Why should I offer up ideas..???? because without solutions, Ive got no right to protest?
what utter bollocks







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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 11:02:39 AM   
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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 11:04:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

So what is your reason for not only denigrating, but also pissing on my opinon and experience down over four pages?


Bullshit. I asked how this affected you, and got fears about hypotheticals.

I also told you do do what you want.

This is an emotional response from you, not a reasoned one.

You haven't offered any solutions to piracy either, incidentally--which is GOING to take enforcement of the law.




No me being emotional would get me banned. It hasnt happened yet.
My reasoning is my reasoning, the fact you dont like it , well thats just too bad.
Why should I offer up ideas..???? because without solutions, Ive got no right to protest?
what utter bollocks

I was referring to this "unemotional" and in fact completely false assertion:
quote:

not only denigrating, but also pissing on my opinon and experience down over four pages?

Again, I asked how this affected you, and got fears about hypotheticals.

I also told you do do what you want.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 11:09:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		imo, if you couldnt earn a living from being an artist, it was because you didnt offer what people wanted, that and peoples taste changes so artists tend to go out of favor, not because of piracy.. Few artists ever earn a living at it due to the fact that there are better artists that are their competition..

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110725/04104115231/new-study-piracy-increases-quality-content.shtml

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 11:09:18 AM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		I agree that this isnt a free speech issue. This is a piracy issue.

However, I also believe the heavy handed way of implementing it will have it before the Supreme Court in no time. No one has said piracy is good... we all agree its wrong. Its not the thought thats wrong... its how it is going to be handled.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 11:17:39 AM   
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imo, if you couldnt earn a living from being an artist, it was because you didnt offer what people wanted, that and peoples taste changes so artists tend to go out of favor, not because of piracy.. Few artists ever earn a living at it due to the fact that there are better artists that are their competition..


Well, then your opinion would be silly. I had three albums distributed worldwide, with rapidly increasing product...for which I wasn't getting the cash, because it was copied. Presumably because people liked it...

I instead concentrated on performance, also quite successfully, thank you very much, until I got tired of traveling all the time and getting home in the middle of the night more often than not. I cut back on my performing, promoted concerts, when into music wholesale, and started artists co-operatives in Boston and New York. I started teaching college music by invitation at local four local colleges.

When piracy also affected the mainstream wholesale markets, I started my own consulting practice, and while all this was going on, was noticed for my writing, worked a great deal free lance, published dozens of columns, articles, and marketing materials, until I was offered a very good deal to teach professional writing. Today, I write a LOT of private (protected) online content.

If you're done with the obnoxious personal shots, the issue is the bill and piracy.

Billions are lost to piracy each year. My experience is anecdotal, but dismissing it changes nothing.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 11:19:39 AM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		Then why are we not attacking the makers of the products that make it so easy to copy everything?

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 11:19:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I was referring to this "unemotional" and in fact completely false assertion:
quote:

not only denigrating, but also pissing on my opinon and experience down over four pages?

Again, I asked how this affected you, and got fears about hypotheticals.

I also told you do do what you want.

I see it my way..you see it yours
Never the twain shall meet
Have a good one


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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 11:21:05 AM   
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No one has said piracy is good... we all agree its wrong. Its not the thought thats wrong... its how it is going to be handled.


Truthfully, the issue is WHETHER it's going to be handled.

This is the same argument people used to oppose the health care bill, taz. "Not THIS bill" -- but then WHAT bill? Oh...yeah....nothing.

Lucies all across Canada are not going to be shut down for an errant picture in the name of piracy.

Billions ARE lost to piracy each year, and artists who should be getting that income leave the field.

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RE: SOPA and PIPA info - 1/18/2012 11:22:08 AM   
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Then why are we not attacking the makers of the products that make it so easy to copy everything?

Like attacking car manufacturers because some people drive their product drunk?


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