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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/22/2012 11:41:41 AM   
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Does this mean before Strom and the bigots joined and took over?

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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/22/2012 11:44:46 AM   
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And the TEA party is an attempt to return one party to its historical roots, but many who are simply statist or useful idiots for the elites and for the statist dismiss it. 



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Your opinion.

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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/22/2012 12:18:13 PM   
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No, the 'Tea' Party are 99% 'astroturf'delusional idiots desperate to blame anybody but themselves for the problems in their lives, and they've been tag-team played for political suckers by 1% megalopaths like the Kochs, Beck, Paul, etc. How many times were those mobs caught chanting "End All Entitlements!" and minutes later demanding that the gov't keep its greedy paws off their social-security, federal medicare, unemployment payments, etc?

That whole teapsycho thing is a scheme plotted by the rightwing thinktanks, funded by the rightwing fnanciers, blatted by 'Faux' News, and swallowed hook, line, and sucker by their thralls of the rightwing idiot-box broadcasting networks. The intent, from its get-go, was to goad the angry white men's latent racism into open but unstateable rage at their !!gasp!! disbelief at uppity Obama's being elected, twist that back into distorted voodoo-economic machismo-posturing, and wedge those votes from people disenchanted with Ripuglican politics back into the PNAC rightwing political agenda.

How many of the GOP candidates has Norquist's political extortion resulted in their signing oaths of fealty to ATR?

The scheme paid off in 2010, maybe not so much in 2012. Lots of those teapiddler idiots the Kocks were bussing to events are still out of work, and the few dupes who actually had their 'own-business' were such losers that taxes or no they went under anyway.

Anyway, nah, the 'Tea-Party' isn't a return to anything but the ugliest of massive psychosocial-manipulative politics, directly funded as secretly as possible by hundred-billions from the financial industry. Machiavelli might comment with interest. Goebbels would applaud the execution. Alinski could say the rules work for both sides.



Did you think it was clever to repost what wasn't My opinion, then try to label it as what I'd opined by clipping off most of what I posted and repeating your nonsense rightwing talking point?

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MY assessment of the so-called 'tea-party' movement is (re?)quoted above.

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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/22/2012 12:24:04 PM   
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You disagreed with me about the TEA parties and laughed about it.

I trimmed your quote - as is my responsibility and the directions of the owners of the forums - to respond to the meat of your post, and not all the details.

If you prefer that I go "all nuclear" on your ass, you'll have to find someone else.  I don't do that very often.

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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/22/2012 12:41:07 PM   
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But the Tea is demographically predominantly people new to politics. It's why they hold some ideas that can't happen (as the freshmen Teas found out when they got to Washington) for legal reasons or simply reality.

He's right. They were created through manipulation to do their puppetmasters' bidding. It's the latest emotional sway from a long line of them aimed at simplistic positions.

It will fade. It's done what it was intended to do, but also got out of hand. They don't have the platform to form a new party for real, so gradually, selective feeding will keep them in the submissive parrot role for which they were created.

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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/22/2012 12:51:39 PM   
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I trimmed your quote - as is my responsibility and the directions of the owners of the forums - to respond to the meat of your post, and not all the details.


Nah, you didn't, you decided to trim the 'meat' of what I'd posted because it slammed the teapackers effectively, and you tried to reframe your post with one throwaway line (the ...laughing...) so that you could repeat your 'message' and distort everything afterward into just exactly this sort of (implausible except in your so-called mind) ostensibly-deniable intent-garbage if you got called on it.

Oh, and then you follow that with faux-pandering to the admins (because you 'claim' to following the guidelines, well, this one time), threats to 'go "all nuclear" on' if I continue to rip your politics a fresh one, and then weasel out that it's too much for you.

Wow. If only there wasn't such dearth of rightwing-rantobot  keyboard-kommandos

Has it occurred to you that your sig-line really suits you?

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I'm going to watch some football. Do have a nice day in your fuzzy little mind.

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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/22/2012 1:30:14 PM   
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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/22/2012 1:52:54 PM   
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But thats ok, we can agree to disagree. For once:)


I think i love you...

I know he had many faults but he gave many Americans back some self respect...even if not deserved… after the debacle of Carter. Cater is a good man but was a terrible President. Anyway I liked Reagan personally…and I liked Clinton as well…go figure.



You do go on and on about cater without saying a thing.
What precisely is it about carter that you feel made him a poor president?

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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/22/2012 3:05:01 PM   
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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/22/2012 3:43:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Republicans are clueless on many things. Two major areas are health care and taxes. They say they don't want to pay for anyone's health care but their own, but everyone including them already pays for ER visits of the poor and uninsured. When it comes to expensive illnesses to treat like cancer or kidney disease, for some reason, they suffer from the inability to think what if it was me or realize that it could actually happen to them. They compare health care to auto insurance when it should be compared to public schools, police departments, fire departments, etc. They think spending tax dollars on a single-payer system is a mistake because the government is too big to handle health care. So why not compromise by funding it through federal taxes and let the smaller states manage it? Tax cuts and low tax rates for the rich have been going on for years, so where are the jobs? With all the breaks the wealthy "job creators" have been getting the last few years, there should be loads of jobs. Full time work for everyone. There were more jobs and the economy was much stronger when tax rates on the wealthy were higher. That's a historical fact.

Both Democratic and Republican leaders seem clueless that something needs to be done about this whole global economy thing. Lower paying jobs would be fine if the cost of living was lowered accordingly. I don't see utility rates dropping or landlords lowering rent to $100/month. Either prices needed to be lowered along with diminishing wages or we need to pull out of the WTO.

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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/22/2012 4:24:33 PM   
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Tax cuts and low tax rates for the rich have been going on for years, so where are the jobs? With all the breaks the wealthy "job creators" have been getting the last few years, there should be loads of jobs. Full time work for everyone. There were more jobs and the economy was much stronger when tax rates on the wealthy were higher. That's a historical fact.



Yep. The historical facts, for times and places ranging from the Roman Roads, to the Merchant Fleets, to the US Interstates, to the Global Internet, are that quite modest goverment investment in commercial infrastructure produced multiples of economic expansion. Sure, businesses leverage the infrastructure(s), and make profits, but businesses have at best a mediocre track record at looking far enough ahead to pay for the infrastructure, and are more likely to externalize costs, running the infrastucture into disrepair.

There are a few politicians that 'get' it. Too few. Most seem bought/sold out, or bullied out. The Dems, for what it's worth, seem to spread the wealth around somewhat more than the Rips, enough to make that an arguable choice. The GOP has had 30yrs to demonstrate that trickle-down voodoo-economics worked, and the only real growth episode was when Willy held the line on tax breaks while the internet boosted the economy. Since then, the tax-breaks for financial hocus-pocus have sucked too much real investment out of the economy.

Deficits small and temporary? To boost the economy? Really? ... Tax the 'investment' vultures' trading, make it more profitable for them to build a factory and pay the workers than play securities 'instruments' games ...

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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/22/2012 7:21:21 PM   
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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/22/2012 8:28:40 PM   
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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/22/2012 11:31:48 PM   
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But the Tea is demographically predominantly people new to politics.

Do you have any data for that? I'm under the impression that it's a party of Christian Right Wingers who used to belong to the Republican party but have decided that the rest of the party isn't extreme enough for them. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/opinion/crashing-the-tea-party.html

"Our analysis casts doubt on the Tea Party’s “origin story.” Early on, Tea Partiers were often described as nonpartisan political neophytes. Actually, the Tea Party’s supporters today were highly partisan Republicans long before the Tea Party was born, and were more likely than others to have contacted government officials. In fact, past Republican affiliation is the single strongest predictor of Tea Party support today."


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It's why they hold some ideas that can't happen (as the freshmen Teas found out when they got to Washington) for legal reasons or simply reality.

I don't think it's being new to politics, I think it's a matter of being reality challenged.


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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/23/2012 5:04:16 AM   
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Do you have any data for that?


https://www.google.com/search?q=make+up+of+the+tea+party&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/23/2012 7:38:26 AM   
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Especially since the times you've done it as near as I can tell you don't have a leg to stand on.

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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/23/2012 7:51:12 AM   
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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/23/2012 8:08:42 AM   
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Dude, linking me to google as though it's up to me to defend stuff that you've pulled out of your ass is getting old.

Especially since the times you've done it as near as I can tell you don't have a leg to stand on.


It's better if I type it out for you?

You asked for data. There's no shortage of it.

If that's a problem for you, it's your problem to have.

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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/23/2012 10:30:58 AM   
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With the exception of Ron Paul, he Republican party has delivered nothing but faux-conservative, dumbed-down playskool economics, and foreign policy.


Anyone who can write that is not worth reading.

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RE: Conservative != Clueless - 1/23/2012 2:16:19 PM   
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You asked for data. There's no shortage of it.

That should be really easy to demonstrate then. Personally I'm looking at the data and seeing that these are long term Republicans on the conservative and christian end of the Republican spectrum.

See: https://www.google.com/search?q=make+up+of+the+tea+party&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

As such the idea that Conservative = Clueless because it's their first day doesn't hold water. There's a different explanation out their for why Conservative = Clueless.

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