Icarys
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An excellent example of the naivety I'm talking about.
Yes and excellent example of one person. Not Tea=naive. That was my point but that's lost on you evidently. I say that because you continue to assert one thing or another without enough or any facts to back that up.
Here let me show you another.
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Look, you want to make these people some heroic feel-good after-school patriotic ABC special, again, fine. Enjoy. They remain a vociferous reaction with poor to no foundation in reality. Sound bites, but unrealistic.
See not true in the slightest. One I'm not trying to make them into anything other than what they are.. average Americans pissed at their government with different views and not a collective group painted in a broad brush.
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But then, Libertarianism is like that too. And checking the facts never seems to occur to anyone.
Here's another broad stroke of genius. No you're completely right, never to any of them, they are all, completely wrong when it comes to the facts. Could you tell them where to get the facts from? You're party perhaps? Maybe you don't even have a party? Maybe you have the facts because you choose to see them all as defunct and maybe that's where you feel you've been introduced to the facts, through your enlightened state?
As in "They" remain a vociferous reaction with poor to no foundation in reality? This isn't a conversation as much as it's a political competition and a biased one at that apparently. Tea=naive
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As a percentage of population and of GDP, the federal government has been shrinking for years. Every time it does, state and local government balloon as they scramble to pick up the slack. Similarly with taxes.
Ahh yes and if that's true, it's proof that we do in fact have smaller government.. No it only makes it truth that we as people are outgrowing the rate of growth relative to the government. Do we need government to match growth? Do we need more lawmakers? Is there some president in history that would back up the need that more politicians and lawmakers are needed and more laws as well?
Some growth is going to be expected as in law enforcement and so on but with a focus on efficiency at every level. With a focus on corruption as well..
Yes some Libertarians would like to see smaller government but that's based on federal intrusion into out lives and overstepping the constitutionality of it but to believe as you stated below that Libertarians believe this makes you naive. Have you sat down to talk to any? Have you studied their positions from their websites and their media or are you getting your idea from fox and republican/democratic forums and sites in general?
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Shrinking government is no magic solution. Cutting taxes is no magic solution. To believe it's just that simple is, yes, naive.
Very few I've ever talked to think it's a magic bullet...they just think it's a better bullet and they are aware of the possibility of states becoming intrusive as well but the beauty of that is it's easier to get a state Representative out of office than it is to get a President out and if you can't, there are other options... You can move to another state where you like it better. That way you vote with your feet.
That's the way it was meant to be.. it's another form of check.
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Look at the boneheads they've supported/elected. Run--the curly Q light-bulbs are coming! Of course, you can still buy incandescent bulbs, they're just filled with halogen gas and are 33% more efficient than before, but oops...that would be facts, and facts are bad, especially when they ruin a sound bite. Bad government! Bad!
Yeah some of them don't research their candidates.. huge amounts of people are guilty of that but that's in all groups. The lightbulb thing is trivial but it does show a small reason.. Most Libertarians, libertarians, Constitutionalists, Tea Party, small government types don't want government telling them what they can buy and not buy. They don't want government picking and choosing winners and losers. Even if at times it might look like a smart moral move. They want people to have freedom to make thier choices by themselves.
Yeah some things suck but as I mentioned before, despite what you think, I/we don't believe it's a magic bullet but man I'd rather have a nation of free people and a few fuckups than a nation of lesser freedoms and attempting to mandate "rightness" and till fucking up.
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That they take as their inspiration the Boston Tea Party, a corporate organized protest aimed at getting back their lucrative tea business (and not about taxes) when George III had granted an exclusive charter to a single European company, is richly symbolic of the puppets they are, with an elementary school understanding of history and government.
Oh okay.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party
Yeah what a horribly misguided bunch.
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