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wumpus -> COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (5/31/2006 11:51:13 PM)

G'day everyone.

I want to put up a rather unpleasant topic for discussion: Abusive messages to a new member (female sub with a disability) that lead to her leaving the site after only 3 days.

I came across her profile the day she signed on and found it to be quite open implying her to be an open, natural young lady who knows what she wants and doesn't let her disability get in her way unnecessarily.

The next day she was shocked to have received a bunch of offensive messages: "I am not having much luck just a few rather unpleasant e mails." Seemingly I was not the only one writing here something supportive and encouraging as, less than one day later, she beamed about all the support she was getting. Fine so far (I thought).

Then, on the third day, I read she had decided to leave after receiving another bunch of rude messages:

"I have decided to leave the site , thank you for all the messages of support but i am not a very confident person and all the bullying has started to get to me. Its seems you can do nothing right on here. If you dont reply thats rude, if you do reply out of courtesy with a quick thank you, you get bombarded with e mails demanding chats photos and messenger names, If you ignore that you get accused of being fake or a wannabee."

Now, this is not the first time I see a user stating she got this kind of rude communication. And not the first time I see a user leave because of that.

I would like to know what you think about:

* rude behaviour and rude messages to other members (mainly from Doms to subs, I guess?)
* offensive messages to members who openly state they have a disability (i find this disgusting!)
* not answering messages (requests for communication) at all
* compliance to general netiquette on Collarme (and should it be enforced? e.g. kick out users who continuously insult/offend others?)


Kind regards


Master William


PS: I found no forum concerning Collarme stuff. So I hope this was the right place to post. Maybe such a forum would be a good idea?




enigmabrat -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (5/31/2006 11:56:03 PM)

I have to say i hate when I dont get a reply to a message but I have to admit I am guilty of this as well
It is hard when you get a lot of mail and are bussy to reply to all of the aspecialy if you are uninterested

As for that poor girl
well its disgusting but we all get those e-mails here you have to ignore them




BitaTruble -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (5/31/2006 11:59:59 PM)

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* rude behaviour and rude messages to other members (mainly from Doms to subs, I guess?)


Tis life on the net. It sucks, but it's accurate and that's why Collarme gave us a 'block' and a 'delete' button. I use them quite often.

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* offensive messages to members who openly state they have a disability (i find this disgusting!)


Those who do such nasty things are not worth the effort to even worry about. Block, delete. That's the mantra of the day for such ilk.

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* not answering messages (requests for communication) at all


Personal choice. I answer most, but not all emails because some are just too stupid for words and others have cyber stalker written all over them.
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* compliance to general netiquette on Collarme (and should it be enforced? e.g. kick out users who continuously insult/offend others?)


For the forums, the moderators doing a pretty good job and on the other side, you can always write to support with your complaints for insulting/offensive emails.

All in all, if you want to cruise the net, especially in BDSM, you need to have a thick skin to put up with those who get off on hurting others.

Celeste




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 12:02:28 AM)

I think people who send abusive/harrassing or mean spirited/nasty emails without reason should be banned from the site.
Unfortunately that kind of value system thing would be very difficult to enforce given human agendas/flaws.  I got a nasty email about 5 days ago, probably from someone who didn't like something he read from me, and reported it, but so far nothing...  As annoyances go, harrassing emails are par for the course when one is online; so anyone who is online has got to develop some desensitization to this sort of thing, or indeed he/she will not last.   M




Rayne58 -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 12:04:31 AM)

The block button is your friend. I must say though I haven't gotten many rude messages those I have received have been deleted and the sender promptly blocked. It's stated in my profile that I'm collared and going to be married, so I guess the wannabees and the HNGs pass me by thank goodness [:)]




wumpus -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 12:07:16 AM)

But isn't it negative for all of us if a (hopefully small number of) rude ignorants drive away other members with their rude behaviour? Do we need to tolerate that without countermeasures?

And I disagree with this: "but we all get those e-mails here you have to ignore them"

I didn't receive any rude emails yet (maybe they are comming in response to this thread?).
And I suspect that there are some Doms(?) that think they can treat any (oh so weak) sub like that. (I don't take such people for real Doms, anyway, I rather think they have a serious problem ...)


Kind regards


Master William






HarryVanWinkle -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 12:09:19 AM)

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I would like to know what you think about:

* rude behaviour and rude messages to other members (mainly from Doms to subs, I guess?)

Actually, from what I've heard, Dominas get a lot of them too from so called subs.  And female switches get them from both sides.  I think it's a good indication that the person sending the message is, in fact, nothing more than a SNERT (Snot Nosed, Egotistical, Radical Teenager)
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* offensive messages to members who openly state they have a disability (i find this disgusting!)

Same as the above, with the addition that they are generally snivelling little cowards whose main purpose for being online and on a site such as this is because to treat people this way in real life is to risk getting their faces broken.
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* not answering messages (requests for communication) at all

There are many good and valid reasons for this, especially for women, who get inundated with mail from men as soon as their profiles show up on the New Users list.  And most of the messages they get are either like the two examples above, or guys saying little more than "Hi! Do me!"
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* compliance to general netiquette on Collarme (and should it be enforced? e.g. kick out users who continuously insult/offend others?)

Unenforceable.  Even attempting it would be a full time job for the moderators.  And it would have little effect as the users kicked out would just join again under a new name and start over.  The closest thing to enforcement practicable is for the receivers of such mail to simply delete it and block the sender.





HarryVanWinkle -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 12:16:18 AM)

Celeste,

GMTA.  I thought of several of the statements you made as I was typing my own response, but didn't include them for the sake of brevity.  And still five people, including yourself responded in the time it took me to type mine.




NastyDaddy -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 12:16:44 AM)

Tell her she can now know more of what to expect when she returns, and this knowledge of the natures of the creatures hereabouts will help her better word her profile.

Tell her not to let the ignorances and insensitivities of a few morons affect her desires, goals or dreams.

* Rude behavior is not expected, desired or condoned, but how can you keep idiots off a free website?
* Offensive messages to persons stating disabilities should be forwarded to collarme tech support and possibly brought to a Mod's attention?
* Not answering messages is the recipient's perogative... not the senders. If you are fishing, the fish don't tote signs saying 'not hungry'.
* Unless there's a new reporting methond, the tech support contact for cm website is the only way for members to contact siteop/webmaster, unless through a Mod? 

Hopefully you know her well enough to have offsite e-mail so you can encourage her and stress to her this is online BDSM... and ''Illegitimi non Corobundem'' (don't let the bastards rub you the wrong way).

She may still be able to receive e-mails from friends if she deactivates her account, and could reactivate it at will by toggling the setting under the Edit Profile button. 

Help your new friend to thicken her skin just a bit by her expecting to find very odd and unorthodox behavior from free online BDSM website memberships, all you gotta do is sign up and presto, you're one of them...






HarryVanWinkle -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 12:25:06 AM)

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I didn't receive any rude emails yet (maybe they are comming in response to this thread?).
And I suspect that there are some Doms(?) that think they can treat any (oh so weak) sub like that. (I don't take such people for real Doms, anyway, I rather think they have a serious problem ...)


You don't get them because you're a man.  I don't get them either.  But trust me on this, I've seen the kind garbage that women get online.

And while normally I detest the word "real" when it's put in front of words like, "Dom," "sub," or "slave," in this case, I have to agree with you.  These are not Doms, or subs.  What they are is emotional sixth graders who come online to insult people in order to make themselves feel superior to somebody, online being their only venue for such behavior without putting themselves at risk of physical violence.




juliaoceania -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 12:44:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: wumpus

But isn't it negative for all of us if a (hopefully small number of) rude ignorants drive away other members with their rude behaviour? Do we need to tolerate that without countermeasures?

And I disagree with this: "but we all get those e-mails here you have to ignore them"

I didn't receive any rude emails yet (maybe they are comming in response to this thread?).
And I suspect that there are some Doms(?) that think they can treat any (oh so weak) sub like that. (I don't take such people for real Doms, anyway, I rather think they have a serious problem ...)


Kind regards


Master William





There are those that will try to prey on the weak in real life as well as online. You say that you have not had many rude emails, well you are a dominant man, you probably do not get a quarter of the emails a submissive female gets and not an 1/8th of the rude emails a domme gets... it is just the facts of the matter.

If you want to be helpful to her be her friend, encourage her to be strong and tell her how to block unpleasant emails. There are many disabled people in this world, and that does not make her weaker than anyone else... strength of will and strength of character are never analogous to strength of body.. and subs are not weaker than doms by the nature of their sexuality either.




subgreg -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 1:03:51 AM)


It is a sad fact, but there are always going to be those individuals who need to put others down to feel good about themself.  Immaturity is also rampant online with people considering this make believe or a game. People who wouldn't have the balls to say something nasty to your face feel free to spew garbage. Unfortunately, some people are not able to deal with the negativity. Perhaps if the "block" button on mail was done in red (or another eye catching color) they might notice it and use it before they felt they had to leave.

  In any case, while we all agree words can be hurtful, giving words from a random stranger on a personals site the power to damage you emotionally is not good. Someone who isn't able to deal with written abuse on a personals site might not be best suited for this lifestyle at the present time. Once they deal with whatever is leaving them so vulnerable they might do better.




wumpus -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 1:12:55 AM)

To NastyDaddy:

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* [...] but how can you keep idiots off a free website?


Good question. Probably not at all. :-(

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* Offensive messages to persons stating disabilities should be forwarded to collarme tech support and possibly brought to a Mod's attention?


Good idea. She should do that.

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If you are fishing, the fish don't tote signs saying 'not hungry'.


You made my day! :-D This is so good it's going to be added to my list. Did you make it up yourself?

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Hopefully you know her well enough to have offsite e-mail so you can encourage her and stress to her this is online BDSM... and ''Illegitimi non Corobundem'' (don't let the bastards rub you the wrong way).


I don't, but I know someone who does ...

Thank you for your comments.


Kind regards


Master William




becca333 -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 1:24:48 AM)

There's always creeps around, no matter where you go.  Most of us have been burned a few times, it's the price we pay for being online.

I've had a few emails that took me by surprise (I like to at least be introduced before we get to the personal stuff), but nobody's been outright rude - although a few are mystifyingly keen.  Are female subs SO thin on the ground?  Some guys must be sprinkling Viagra on their weetbix, or something.

But most of the emails I've had are simply pleasant and friendly, without being "Hi.  Like your profile.  Do me."

All you can do with the really rude or persistent ones is block, or ignore, or stalk them online and flame them to a crisp.  Er, not that I ever... um....




RavenMuse -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 3:45:41 AM)

OK Que one rather irritated Raven.

I hadn't noticed the latest journal entry till I spotted this thread. I was another who tried to ensure she knew there where decent people out here as well as the many total arseholes that infest the internet.

Whilst yes, people do need to develop a thicker skin and employ the block and delete feature it is a shame that it is needed quite so much.

To any of the low-life spineless crettins that think that insulting a disabled person from the safety of sitting behind their keyboard is such a fun thing to do.... Oh feel free to try the same with me... or even better if you are near London. My picture is on my profile and I attend various munches and the like around the city.... come up and give me your best disability insults FACE to FACE if you have the damn BALLS for it! Because I am disabled too, or have you only got the guts to do so with a small little sub lass when you can remain anonimous and would crap yourself standing in real life even thinking about doing so with a 6'2" ex-bouncer!!!!!!!![:@]




givemyall -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 3:57:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

OK Que one rather irritated Raven.



Ohhh Raven, dont get irritated.... come spank me instead! lol [;)]

Nasty emails - well you got to love em, journal fodder I call them.

I think the nice mail from the 'nice people' outweight them tenfold, its a shame that she didnt stick about to find that out....   the nice people I chat to on here make my day and pick me up when im feeling down.... I loooove it!




RavenMuse -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 4:09:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: givemyall
Ohhh Raven, dont get irritated.... come spank me instead! lol [;)]


Careful sweetie, you know that I might just take you up on an offer like that one of these days [:D]




Brosco -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 4:15:30 AM)

I am new here and therefore cannot speak for the management or their policies, but I used to run a similar sort of site on MSNand was faced with this situation.  In 2002 I posted the following:










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  Flames, Snails and Puppydog Tails
by Tau_au 








There has been a number of threads recently concerning flames - in fact these discussion threads have far outweighed the actual flames that occurred.  There has been even more backroom discussion by the managers of the forum on this topic - it has been blown out of all proportion, and even with all the helpful suggestions posted, I wish to inform all - that while ever I'm a manager in this community, the way flames are handled is not up for negotiation!
This community has grown from a few people who were totally pissed off at the way a manager censored discussions elsewhere - we grew from a few to 800+ members in just a couple of years.  When bratty and I committed to building this community it was based on never introducing any form of censorship to limit the expression of opinions nor to stifle any discussion, no matter how heated it became.  Nothing has changed!
There is censorship here - but one that is based upon the guidelines set by MSN for the category that we have placed ourselves.  Anything that jeopardizes that rating will be deleted - other than that, the management here will not act as Gods to set some fine line between heated debate and offensive postings.  We are all mature adults and are capable of resolving petty disputes ourselves.  We don't need a management team to make evaluations of our postings.
I believe one of the main reasons that this community has been so successful is because we are realistic.  We don't base rules around being politically correct and some silly netiquette rules to avoid offending someone's sensitivities - we have discussions as if they are among a group in real life.  Occasionally something slips and hits a raw nerve, just like real life - and just like real life, we deal with it.
We have recently lost a few active members because they felt that management was making arbitrary decisions about what was and was not offensive.  That is sad and a trend that I want stopped!  Management of this community is here to welcome new members, give what ever advice and guidance they can, assist in facilitating problem resolution - but they aren't here to censor posts or take sides in a conflict.
This doesn't mean that I welcome flame wars - I just believe that we have a far better chance of resolving the rare conflicts that arise if we take a mature attitude ourselves and not impose our fine line on others.
I sincerely thank the people who offered lots of constructive ideas about how to avoid these wars - but occasionally they will still happen because when the raw nerve is really hit - emotion takes over and replaces all the logic that everyone agrees with in those suggestions.   And when it happens - I want every opportunity available for the people concerned to resolve the conflict - not just get them pissed off even more by someone in management attempting to decide who it was that went too far and deciding to delete a post.
As I said at the start of this posting - this position is not up for negotiation!

As I say, this does not necessarily reflect the views of moderators for this forum, I am just expressing my $0.02's worth.

Brosco




givemyall -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 4:20:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

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ORIGINAL: givemyall
Ohhh Raven, dont get irritated.... come spank me instead! lol [;)]


Careful sweetie, you know that I might just take you up on an offer like that one of these days [:D]




I'll get my saggy ass ready  lol [:D]




feastie -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 4:25:29 AM)

Idiots can't be blocked from a pay site any more than a free site.  All it takes to join is a functioning credit card, not an IQ test.  Actually, an IQ test wouldn't work either, since many of the idiots would pass...but anyway...

You have to learn to take the bad with the good.  Three days isn't much time.  There is that function where one can see only the newest members.  I imagine a lot of people employ that feature regularly while drooling into their keyboard croaking, "Fresh meat!  Fresh meatttttttttt!"  One has to learn not to be thin skinned about stuff like this, online or off.  Block and delete work very well.  A little eyeroll, a muttered "idiot" and click, click.  Of course, there is also great sport to be had by pointing out to the idiot that he is beneath contempt.  A personal favorite of mine is, "Were you born this stupid, or do your work hard at it?"  Then employ our friends block and delete.

I adore the ones that send an email they KNOW is inflammatory, and then block me so I can't reply to them. 

As for the issue regarding her disability, there are those that consider anything less than a living, breathing barbie doll to not be "worthy" of their time.  Yes, it's very wrong of them, but would she really want to know a person that would insult her or find fault in her because of her disability?  I think not.  Consider the source and move on.

Collarme (and any other site) cannot police emails and truly, would you want them to?  Anything abusive can be reported under "Support" but once that's done, it is out of one's hands. 




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