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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 5:53:22 PM   
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we are seriously close to a mob democracy, with only a few vestiges of any Republican form of government around here.

mine...

I truly have to wonder why these thoughts were not expressed when the Tea Party came into being.

If you cant tell, which obviously you cannot, my post had nothing to do with the Senate, the House or their history.. but with the part I quoted....

I did a search on my democracy.. and mob rule.. and the earliest mention I could find was the thread I linked.

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uh huh. Just admit that your attempted partisan snark didn't work tazzy, and we can go on to the next time.


Who says it was snark? Unfucking believable! You are always looking for someone to play a gotcha moment when you do it more than anyone else.

I asked why the mb democracy was not mentioned before... you stated you had. The posts here do not show such. The link you gave do not show such.

One again, you made a claim and its not supported by facts.. and you start slamming at everyone else because you got caught.



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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 5:58:03 PM   
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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 6:07:01 PM   
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What I'd suggest, though, is to scan a few news items at, say, Yahoo, and then scroll down to the comment(s). Quite often, the news story might be about something like so-n-so cured of cancer, and the very first comment will be something like blaming Obamamaomau for causing the cancer. Then check the comments again, a while later, and often enough, much of the comments are juvenile political snarking, and perhaps more often than not, the whole dicussion collapses under hundreds of rightwing spams swamping the other posts. Or, sometimes especially if it's a topic unfavorable to rightwing interests, they'll spam for a while and then give up.

I've seen that sort of tactic at chatsites too (not saying anything specific about here). Kink sites sometimes seem more resistant to that sort of thing by either 'side' of politics, but not completely immune.

The point, perhaps, is that discussion of the tactics some people and groups employ in order to influence discussions is relevant to the discussions, no? And perhaps some of those people and groups would rather not have that happen?


I agree... however I dont believe its limited to just one side. I believe both sides.. actually all three if you wish to include Independents are very capable of the derails and the smoke and mirrors type of things.

It got back 2008... its going to be worse than that in 2012.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 6:29:55 PM   
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I agree... however I dont believe its limited to just one side. I believe both sides.. actually all three if you wish to include Independents are very capable of the derails and the smoke and mirrors type of things.

It got back 2008... its going to be worse than that in 2012.


I'd agree that there's examples of such tactics by pretty much all political extremists, right, left, loonies of all sorts. I could show you some examples of leftwingnutz from other sites who are so whacked out that they're obviously as insane their rightwingnut opposites. Conspiracy nutz, gold-standard nutz, survivalist nutz, etc.

But what you won't. or at least quite rarely find, is reasonable moderates intiating that sort of disruption. Often, otherwise reasonable folks get themselves worked into trying to argue reasonably with people whose intent is disruption, though.

Anyway, I agree with you on a lot of points.

Back to football.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 6:32:54 PM   
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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 6:33:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

your post...

we are seriously close to a mob democracy, with only a few vestiges of any Republican form of government around here.

mine...

I truly have to wonder why these thoughts were not expressed when the Tea Party came into being.

If you cant tell, which obviously you cannot, my post had nothing to do with the Senate, the House or their history.. but with the part I quoted....

I did a search on my democracy.. and mob rule.. and the earliest mention I could find was the thread I linked.

quote:

uh huh. Just admit that your attempted partisan snark didn't work tazzy, and we can go on to the next time.


Who says it was snark? Unfucking believable! You are always looking for someone to play a gotcha moment when you do it more than anyone else.

I asked why the mb democracy was not mentioned before... you stated you had. The posts here do not show such. The link you gave do not show such.

One again, you made a claim and its not supported by facts.. and you start slamming at everyone else because you got caught.


So it's the adjective "mob" in front of "democracy" that you wish to take issue with, now?

What the hell do you think "pure" democracy is, anyway?

Go research the death of the Roman Republic.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 6:41:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SilverBoat

Did you see what I posted just a few minutes ago about rightwing tactics used to disrupt dialogue about the issues when they didn't see its progression as favoring their political ends?

I hate to break it to you SB, but in your short posting history here, you have shown yourself to be intelligent and every bit as smug and disruptive of good dialogue as the worst of the "rightwingnutz" or whatever you call people who hold a differing opinion.

Do  you have any more gems of wisdom about those crazy Republican primaries that DarkSteven originally asked about, or do you just wish to continue to exercise your rhetorical abilities to hedge the TOS by insulting people who disagree with you?

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 6:44:14 PM   
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So it's the adjective "mob" in front of "democracy" that you wish to take issue with, now?


Yep, again, putting words into my mouth.

Try again. Better yet, dont.

The dance is recognizable.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 7:03:52 PM   
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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 7:04:57 PM   
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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 7:11:51 PM   
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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 7:15:44 PM   
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So it's the adjective "mob" in front of "democracy" that you wish to take issue with, now?


Yep, again, putting words into my mouth.

Try again. Better yet, dont.

The dance is recognizable.

Yup.  The dance is recognizable.  You won't commit to anything, and even if the meaning of your words are plain, when you get called on them, you start dancing around about what the "meaning of "is" is".

On the other hand, you display the amazing ability to recognize "code words" and what "secretly lies in the hearts and minds" of others, and then feel justified in bashing them over the heads with it.

I'm through with this offshoot of the thread.  I'll ask you the same question I asked SB: Do you have anything on-topic, about the Republican primaries?

Or will you continue to natter on about shoes?

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 7:32:10 PM   
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You wouldnt be trying to point out that people are off topic, now would you?

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 8:31:13 PM   
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... A question, if you don't mind, since I've been around 'net forums since dial-up, this site almost since it opened (lost a pwd in 2006), but only took an interest in its boards recently: How rigorously, vigorously, specifically, etc do its Admins assess and respond when there's "commenting on other posters"? I'm asking because of what I've seen in this thread and others recently.

(Watched the last of the football game at the pub, and the news channels have returned to being full of GOP shills meta-meta-meta-analyzing the media's pseudo-self-fulfilling prophecies about what the three 'official' tallies taken so far indicate about the future of life, the universe, and everything. Often, it seems that they intend to babble so much that they can at some point go back and prove they said anything, regardless of what actually happens. The local news houses are already pushing the idea of Perry for VP. That could be entertaining for another few months of malaprops, at least.)

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 8:50:06 PM   
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I doubt it will happen. It's only January. If the race still looks like this in March, or if, God permit, California should matter in a primary come June, then we'll see.


Upon reading this, I reconsidered my original stance.  I was assuming that Paul would continue to pull 20% or so and Santorum would pull 15% or so, and I overlooked the winner-take-all primaries.  Paul and Santorum will get marginalized by them.  I'm still not willing to rule out a first-ballot nondecision, but the winner-take-all states make it less likely.


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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 9:02:01 PM   
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tazzy ...

... A question, if you don't mind, since I've been around 'net forums since dial-up, this site almost since it opened (lost a pwd in 2006), but only took an interest in its boards recently: How rigorously, vigorously, specifically, etc do its Admins assess and respond when there's "commenting on other posters"? I'm asking because of what I've seen in this thread and others recently.

(Watched the last of the football game at the pub, and the news channels have returned to being full of GOP shills meta-meta-meta-analyzing the media's pseudo-self-fulfilling prophecies about what the three 'official' tallies taken so far indicate about the future of life, the universe, and everything. Often, it seems that they intend to babble so much that they can at some point go back and prove they said anything, regardless of what actually happens. The local news houses are already pushing the idea of Perry for VP. That could be entertaining for another few months of malaprops, at least.)

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Unless its a hotly posted to thread, and they notice lots of little fire's to be put out, the Mods dont "police" threads. They typically wait until reports are generated. Considering the number of posts that are made on any given day, they expect us to police ourselves. Rarely does a day go by that I dont get a gold message telling me a post of mine has been deleted because it was in reference to another post that was off topic.

Provided it stays within the realm of civility, most dont get reported.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 9:03:50 PM   
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I'm not so sure a chaotic convention would be a bad thing, Steve. I don't believe the analogy holds. In '68, the convention reflected a much broader culture war in progress. Here, a lot of people just don't like Mitt.

I doubt it will happen. It's only January. If the race still looks like this in March, or if, God permit, California should matter in a primary come June, then we'll see.


That seems to be a reoccurring theme, Rich. People dont like Mitt. Do you believe they dislike him enough to nominate Gingrich?

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 9:20:05 PM   
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That seems to be a reoccurring theme, Rich. People dont like Mitt. Do you believe they dislike him enough to nominate Gingrich?



No, I don't. Whatever else he may, Newt Gingrich is an asshole. That alone isn't a dealbreaker for me (sometimes, you need an asshole, to get things done), but I suspect it ultimately will be for a lot of people.



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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 9:47:27 PM   
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People dont like Mitt. Do you believe they dislike him enough to nominate Gingrich?


People dislike Gingrich too. Even the Republicans here hate him.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/22/2012 9:52:23 PM   
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