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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/26/2012 7:38:26 AM

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/26/2012 9:10:52 AM

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I see a potential repeat of 1964. Goldwater was the leading GOP candidate and the "anyone but Goldwater" element in the GOP fought to the last to stop him. The entire GOP nomination process and the radical conservatism (real or perceived) of Goldwater alienated moderates and independents, allowing LBJ to clobber Goldwater at the polls.

The present low quality GOP field and it's primary in-fighting could very well result in President Obama's re-election with a bigger plurality then he had when he defeated McCain.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 2/2/2012 9:15:56 AM

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7% in Florida.
Plan is just roaring along, I suppose.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 2/2/2012 9:49:22 AM

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7% in Florida.
Plan is just roaring along, I suppose.

Please put this in context. Are you referring to Paul's slice of the popular vote in Florida?

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 2/21/2012 3:58:37 AM

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Well, at this point, there are four candidates left. Frum addresses the possibility of a brokered convention: Brokered convention? IMO, Frum is so party-centric in looking for analogies that he overlooks the 1968 Dem concention, which I consider most applicable.

That would be more analogous to a 2012 brokered GOP convention. The Democratic Party was highly factionalized, with four separate camps per Wikipedia. in 2012, we have: the Libertarians, who support Paul; the moderates and party kingpins, who support Romney; the social conservatives and evangelicals, who are split between Gingrich and Santorum; and the Tea Partiers, who are split between Santorum, Gingrich, and Paul. Many of them are in no mood to compromise with the others, and in today's world of tweets and blogs, any ugliness will get outed quickly.

Despite today's short-term emphasis on winning elections, losing the 2012 election would not be the worst thing that could befall the GOP. Losing a major bloc would be. In 1968, the Democrats lost the Dixiecrats from their party - I could see some moderates and Tea Party types defecting to become Independents.

Some GOP insiders are so unhappy with the way the primary is going that they are talking about injecting another candidate into the race at this point, which IMO would be insanity: A fifth candidate?

Edited to add: I'd also like to address TheHeretic's statements regarding the 1968 convention not being applicable because there won;t be riots this time around: true, however, I can see nonviolent protests, and tweets/blogs/etc. I can see similar anger and bruised feelings, as well as the very real possibility that some of the disaffected could split off the GOP, similar to the Dems losing the Dixiecrats in 1968. The only good news for the GOP is that the disgruntled people will end up Independents rather than Dems.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 2/21/2012 7:57:42 AM

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quote:

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Some GOP insiders are so unhappy with the way the primary is going that they are talking about injecting another candidate into the race at this point, which IMO would be insanity: A fifth candidate?

In 1964 there was the last-minute, unsuccessful, "Anybody-but-Goldwater" push to nominate Pennsylvania Governor William Scranton.

In 2012 it seems to be the "Anybody-But-Romney-Or-Gingrich-Or-Santorum-Or-Paul" push for Jeb Bush or New Jersey's Christie

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 2/21/2012 12:22:32 PM

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Won't putting up the chimp's brother just lead to an "anybody but Bush" element being added to the "anybody but Newt/Romney/Santorum/Paul" one rather than producing a more viable candidate, though?
It isn't like Jeb can even fiddle the vote in Florida anymore...

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