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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 7:46:44 AM

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whoever wins the nomination will be the next president.

i honestly don't think that will be the case, and equally honestly i am not sure i am unhappy with that.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 7:51:52 AM

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I would love to see private donations and PACs disallowed. Give them money from the government, a set amount for every candidate.. and when its gone... its gone.

i recall reading somewhere that canada does it that way, can any of our northern neighbors confirm or deny that?

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 8:06:00 AM

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A citizen or permanent resident of Canada can give up to $1,100 in total each year to a particular registered political party, up to $1,100 each year to the registered electoral district associations, nomination contestants and candidates of a particular registered party, up to $1,100 in total each year to the leadership contestants of a registered party and up to $1,100 for a particular election to a candidate in the election who is not endorsed by a registered party
corporations and trade unions may not make any contributions to political entities

Lots more info here
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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 8:12:27 AM

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WHat have they done in congress?

Newly chosen Speaker Boehner promised change.

He was right. Never before has a Speaker cried so much. Not even the girl.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 8:22:19 AM

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 9:39:36 AM

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The republicans won't have a choice if they don't back Paul.

I agree Icarys, which is why I would bet on Obama these days.
Either the republicans nominate Paul (and they win) or they nominate anyone else.
If they nominate anyone else, Gary Johnson runs as a libertarian, gets many of the disaffected Paul supporters and hands the election to Obama.
Since I don't think the republicans will nominate Paul that means a win for Obama.

I know Paul is organized in the caucus states but which states do you think he will win, Icarys?

I am CERTAIN Paul WON"T go third party; hes been there done that, knows the deck is stacked to make it IMPOSSIBLE to win and is too old to make gestures (and make enemies that his son will have to live with down the road).

Doc 1, but who's going to actually vote for Oblunder, the Seniors? The Veterans? The Independents? The Gun owners? Unemployed young people?
At this point many on the left no longer like him.
He'll get the teacher's Unions and some on the left.
I voted saturday here in Myrtle Beach, SC in the republican primary for Ron Paul and you know who I saw there? BLACK PEOPLE! At the REPUBLICAN primary! You never see that here.
This is shaping up to be a "Nixon vs Mc Carthy" election.
And just wait 'till they start asking "the question;" "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?"
This guy has been a disaster.
It's like watching a drunk walking down the sidewalk with his shoes untied.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 9:59:52 AM

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same sort of tactics have been pursued by rightwingnutz in chatsite discussions, newsite comments,

Favorite "Mo'Ron Mo'Ron" Paulbot tactic; they should not be confused with us wingnuts.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 10:03:44 AM

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I was glancing down thru the thread to see if anyone had made this point.
After Mar 3rd, I think, each state is winner-take all.
Which may make Super Tuesday decisive?

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 10:04:25 AM

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WHat have they done in congress?

Newly chosen Speaker Boehner promised change.

He was right. Never before has a Speaker cried so much. Not even the girl.

And now Boehner is promising to tie the tax cuts in Feb to the pipe line. Another battle ahead. He is going to finish his term out as a "do nothing" speaker of the "do nothing" house.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 10:05:07 AM

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Not all of us, MM, not by a long shot.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 10:09:24 AM

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I would love to see private donations and PACs disallowed. Give them money from the government, a set amount for every candidate.. and when its gone... its gone.

All of these plans that I've seen are just ridiculously stupid.
Let's try this one....
Who decides who gets to be on the ballot?

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 10:17:23 AM

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WHat have they done in congress?

Newly chosen Speaker Boehner promised change.

He was right. Never before has a Speaker cried so much. Not even the girl.

And now Boehner is promising to tie the tax cuts in Feb to the pipe line. Another battle ahead. He is going to finish his term out as a "do nothing" speaker of the "do nothing" house.

Harry Reid has failed to produce a Federal Budget proposal for more than 1,000 days. That's not only 'do nothing' that's "Dereliction of Duty" and/or "Nonfeseance in Office".

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 10:18:18 AM

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Government funding of candidates freezes the status quo.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 10:27:17 AM

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Yeah, it's just an awful idea.

Either the government gets total control of who is even allowed to run, or the lamestreams completely control the process by dint of free/favorable coverage.

SCOTUS got it right: money is speech, and the more the merrier.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 11:45:39 AM

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That's the traditional party line. I don't agree however that just anyone will do. The status quo neocons are as equally as bad. Look where they get their money from. Do people really think they give that much money without expecting something in return.

A vote for them IS a vote for Obama.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 11:47:44 AM

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Harry Reid has failed to produce a Federal Budget proposal for more than 1,000 days. That's not only 'do nothing' that's "Dereliction of Duty" and/or "Nonfeseance in Office".

Well, By God! you should have them all impeached for treason!!!

What are you waiting for?

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 11:49:05 AM

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All of these plans that I've seen are just ridiculously stupid.
Let's try this one....
Who decides who gets to be on the ballot?

Each state has their own rules in regards to that. Surely you arent going to argue that states dont have the right to make those rules.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 11:50:18 AM

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some are more concerned with who can win a fight as opposed to who would be best for the country.

Beating Obamao is the point precisely because beating Obamao is what's best for the country.
Duh

Ah, so now your opinion is fact.

And my opinion is that out of whats running, he is best...

And that is fact.

Stalemate.

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 1:46:28 PM

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Popeye: at this point in the polls Obama (despite all his failures) is beating Gingrich and Santorum in polls. Tied with Paul and Romney.
SOMEONE must consider him OK

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RE: The possibility that the GOP does NOT want to face. - 1/23/2012 2:14:19 PM

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Obama, Gingrich, Romney and Santorum are all tools of the corporate welfare machine and the military-industrial complex.
All want to steal from the poor and middle class to give to the rich.
Only Paul stands against the entrenched powers that are bleeding the people of this country dry.

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