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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 9:28:26 AM   
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Well, it's safe to say that all those college professors that teach Marxism, which lead to supporting all manner of welfare programs (welfare, food stamps, unemployment "insurance", workers' compensation, etc.), which ultimately inculcates in young Americans the attitude labor is beneath them and all good things are OWED to them.... and means employers prefer to hire foreigners who still have a work ethic.

By all means, let's diminish the American character, because it's sooo beneath us to get our hands dirty. Yes, indeed, socialism is a great thing to learn - until, as Thatcher said, you run out of other people's money.


Most college professors who teach anything about Marxism (unless they are devout Marxists themselves) will teach it in order to provide a well-rounded education, which is the ultimate goal of liberal education.  I was taught that whether you agree with Marx's ideas or not---they have  been proven not to work.  Having a social safety net and a government (and society) that takes care of those unable to care for themselves is not the same as Marxism.  It is not even socialism in the most liberal definition of that term.

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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 9:45:33 AM   
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which lead to supporting all manner of welfare programs (welfare, food stamps, unemployment "insurance", workers' compensation, etc.)


Food stamps...

Prominent U.S. Senators actively associated with attempts to enact a food stamp program during this period are George Aiken, Robert M. La Follette, Jr., Hubert Humphrey, Estes Kefauver and Stuart Symington. From 1954 on, U.S. Representative Leonor Sullivan strove unceasingly to pass food-stamp-program legislation.

All Democrats, therefore all Marxists, right? Are you sure you know your history?



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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 9:55:12 AM   
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I smelt a sock, hence my non response:)

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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 9:57:33 AM   
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Oh without a doubt. I still love pointing out the hypocrisy... as I am sure you saw on another thread.

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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 10:00:32 AM   
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LMAO I most certainly did.




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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 10:34:53 AM   
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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 12:39:39 PM   
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The deserving poor versus the undeserving poor has been a feature of charity/social welfare for as long as it has been around.





So has notion of a society having any consideration for their own citizens. Just ask Bismark.







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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 12:44:24 PM   
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Or Marie Antoinette

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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 1:07:12 PM   
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Well hey, at least her mom (Maria Theresa, of the Austrian Hapsburg empire) had half a clue; she even told the pope to f*ck off more than once, devout Catholic as she otherwise was.

In any case, the point intended was that consideration of society for its own is not a new concept, however foreign (figuratively and literally) as it may be in this country. The enclosure laws and the corn laws and the pole tax and (then guess what?) the vagrancy laws and the poorhouse thing have already been played out sufficiently, elsewhere, or at least so we delude ourselves into thinking.

That learning -from- history thing is a real stickler, isn't it?










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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 1:10:05 PM   
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Of course. Why do you think people oppose education?

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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 1:51:13 PM   
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I thought it was a matter of control, guilt and religion?

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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 1:52:30 PM   
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All I can say to the self-deluded is; if you dislike poor people so much, then why do you keep voting for people who's actions result in creating more of them?


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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 2:21:32 PM   
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That's not what they vote for; they vote for "It's all just that simple."


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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 5:03:10 PM   
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One huge problem with college is too much homework. Students need to be able to attend college full time and still have time to work 30 hours a week so they don't have to borrow so much money. Unfortunately, too much homework makes that impossible. College can take twice as long to get through attending part time - that's 8 years just for a bachelors. If college professors cut back on time consuming homework, student loan debt would be much lower. Instead of telling people not to send their kids to college,  he should be telling college professors to cut back on homework.


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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 7:43:56 PM   
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We have to go by academic results here.

Did the homework help or hinder you in making a good grade on exams? Are you more well informed now, not just in 'facts,' but awareness of the world and your own self?

In my own experience, the over-doing of homework and essay writing thing has done both (been cause for better grades and worse grades, that is). As example, I had to spend a huge amount of time on an assigned task of reading 56 torturous pages of why exchange rates do not track CPI (consumer price index) and PPP (purchasing power parity), and then write a 600 word 'summary' on it.

I hate writing. I am not cut out for it. And the fact that the issue spoken of has been a moot point for over 20 years now since the text book itself related that currency exchange is about 3%  involving actual trade of goods and services, the rest being from speculation, did not help my worn out brain here. The assigned reading was at least 20 years out of date, it took time away from other likewise extensions of my time in other classes, and I didn't get as good a grade as I would have liked in anything.

I learned a heck of a lot about PPP though, I'll say that. And a lot about the Chinese domestic economy from another similarly imposing (though at least a bit more up-to-date and relevant) assignment in the same class. My German classes suffered accordingly. The assigned papers about why I thought Switzerland (Die Sweiz) was correct or not correct about their WWII neutrality, in one class, written in Deutschesprache, and another large treatise on fusball (soccer) and 'kontroverse' artistic displays and whatever nonsense with which this instructor was so enthralled about, again written in Deutschesprace, did not come at the best time, shall we say.

But I'm not a genius, and never deluded myself into thinking such. I am getting the utter crap beat out of me by academia sometimes, yet this 50-something ping-pong-brained seriously ADD afflicted individual has finally figured out to just do what he wants, screw the grades. The GPA is 3.4, after all that.

I've done a heck of a lot for myself in the way of education on my own. But not quite enough, until now, to figure out that academia might be the only conduit for where I would like to go at this time.

Academia is no more perfect than government agencies or corporations. This was well explained in another post (by a college professor, not me, so there we have the broadened perspective thing going on here).

I might suggest, however, that the focus of your concern in the issue you speak of might be slightly misplaced. I don't think that we'll ever evade the piles of homework (some warranted, some not, etc., blah blah), but some sort of greater commitment, by all of academia and the government and the corporations, and the student, might be in order here.

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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 9:08:38 PM   
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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 9:09:25 PM   
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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 11:08:00 PM   
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That was flat-out funny. Even funnier than the post that prompted yours (however much in a way not intentioned of the latter).




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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 11:44:36 PM   
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Bill Maher tells us why Americans not only need to go to College, but also need to go back to elementary school and start over.

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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/28/2012 11:58:29 PM   
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Sorry... I am just completely unable to stop myself






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