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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 12:24:50 AM   
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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 1:18:07 AM   
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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 1:24:51 AM   
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Being "more educated" simply means that you're a Cultural Marxist in the social sphere and a Keynesian in the economic sphere.



Excluding you of course

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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 5:34:13 AM   
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Sorry... I am just completely unable to stop myself






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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 5:54:16 AM   
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One huge problem with college is too much homework. Students need to be able to attend college full time and still have time to work 30 hours a week so they don't have to borrow so much money.



Ummm. I went to school full time, worked 3 part time jobs (about 45 hours a week) AND had two babies at home.  Homework wasn't a problem, though I was an English Lit major.  I would sit at the kitchen with a book and notes in front of me and one kid on each knee in order to spend time with them.  I would read aloud in "sing-song" voice at their bedtime.  And I studied my Shakespeare at the diner between customers. 

The average study (or homework) time is 2-4 hours for every hour in class.  Because I tend to be a little slow on the uptake at times, I exceeded that to probably about 6 hours for every hour of class time.  I still made the Dean's list.  And I don't  think the kids suffered.


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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 7:47:54 AM   
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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 8:30:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would consider anyone a Marxist if you endorse any of the following:

Historical materialism
[that] exploitation exists in the wage system
[that] exploitation exists in the division of labor
Rigid Dialectics in the tradition of Hegel

Many people on both sides of the political spectrum endorse these concepts. They are all very popular at the university, especially with sociology, anthropology, and gender studies professors; less so, though still prevalent, with historians, political scientists, and psychologists; and almost not at all in the natural sciences.

The problem here is that Marxism, as such, is different than what is being taught by Marx's disciples - especially at the Frankfurt School and even more so with the modern analytical variety. The Frankfurt School and the Institute for Social Research knew that convincing the public about the validity of Marxist-economics was doomed to fail. As a result, they began infecting the entire social sphere by using Marx's dialectics and applying them to fields outside of economics. This is where "Marxism" has been most effective, in the social sphere, not in the economic sphere. The analytical Marxists, for example, were not impressed with Marx's value theory and treated it as an embarrassment more than anything else. No economics professor in the entire country would be caught dead advocating rigidly based marxist-economics, as it is a tremendously anti-intellectual doctrine that is not even worthy of scholarly discussion.

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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 8:52:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: provfivetine
I would consider anyone a Marxist if you endorse any of the following:
Historical materialism
[that] exploitation exists in the wage system
[that] exploitation exists in the division of labor
Rigid Dialectics in the tradition of Hegel


So, simply agreeing that exploitation of wage/labor exists is proof that somebody is a Marxist? (At least in -your- mind?)



Not that Hegel and most other philosophists aren't mostly full of their own cult-of-(pseudo-academic)-personality megalomania, and their own supposedly rigorous assessment of their so-called reasoning generally has more holes than truths, but sometimes, they do stumble across a valid point or two.

Agreement with those occasional valid points doesn't, to any reasonable person, make the person who expressed agreement an "{FITB}-ist" ...



For inanely rightwing rantobots though, TMMV.




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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 8:58:30 AM   
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So, simply agreeing that exploitation of wage/labor exists is proof that somebody is a Marxist? (At least in -your- mind?)



Yes, absolutely.

This was Marx's "biggest achievement" (his words), to "prove" that there is exploitation in the wage system. Anyone endorsing this concept is a Marxist.

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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 9:00:47 AM   
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RaptorJesus is gonna come after you for copyright infringement.


I'll take my chances... somehow, I think I might get a measure of LizardJusticeon this one.


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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 9:19:57 AM   
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One huge problem with college is too much homework. Students need to be able to attend college full time and still have time to work 30 hours a week so they don't have to borrow so much money. Unfortunately, too much homework makes that impossible. College can take twice as long to get through attending part time - that's 8 years just for a bachelors. If college professors cut back on time consuming homework, student loan debt would be much lower. Instead of telling people not to send their kids to college,  he should be telling college professors to cut back on homework.


This whine again.

College students today do a FRACTION of the homework I did in college.

Learn as little as you like--or as much. This will determine the value of your education.

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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 9:22:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SilverBoat

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ORIGINAL: provfivetine
I would consider anyone a Marxist if you endorse any of the following:
Historical materialism
[that] exploitation exists in the wage system
[that] exploitation exists in the division of labor
Rigid Dialectics in the tradition of Hegel


So, simply agreeing that exploitation of wage/labor exists is proof that somebody is a Marxist? (At least in -your- mind?)



Not that Hegel and most other philosophists aren't mostly full of their own cult-of-(pseudo-academic)-personality megalomania, and their own supposedly rigorous assessment of their so-called reasoning generally has more holes than truths, but sometimes, they do stumble across a valid point or two.

Agreement with those occasional valid points doesn't, to any reasonable person, make the person who expressed agreement an "{FITB}-ist" ...



For inanely rightwing rantobots though, TMMV.





Hell, why stop there?

If you believe wages exist, then you're a Marxist.


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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 9:24:59 AM   
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My grades (in electrical engineering) went up when I worked 20 hours a week ($16/hour); I had to get a hell of a lot more organized.  I was taking 4 engineering classes and we all got our asses whupped with homework and labs.

Bingo. There's a world of difference between people who know what busy really is and people who simply believe they are busy. And the busy always get more done than those who merely believe they are busy.

I too thought I was busy in college. Now I wonder what I did with all that free time.

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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 9:27:57 AM   
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Hell, why stop there?

If you believe wages exist, then you're a Marxist.





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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 9:48:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ummm, you are either making a joke here, or you misunderstand the purpose of a college education. The idea is to learn something, not just buy a degree. Homework is part of that, and IT should take dedication. It is bad enough college grades are inflated, to not require that students put in the time to learn the subject would make a college degree as meaningless as a high school diploma.
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One huge problem with college is too much homework. Students need to be able to attend college full time and still have time to work 30 hours a week so they don't have to borrow so much




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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 10:34:50 AM   
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Ummm, you are either making a joke here, or you misunderstand the purpose of a college education. The idea is to learn something, not just buy a degree. Homework is part of that, and IT should take dedication. It is bad enough college grades are inflated, to not require that students put in the time to learn the subject would make a college degree as meaningless as a high school diploma.
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One huge problem with college is too much homework. Students need to be able to attend college full time and still have time to work 30 hours a week so they don't have to borrow so much





Wow. I actually agree with you about something.

With as much as higher education is costing these days, I would think that students would be demanding extra homework. "I want to learn as much as possible."

Frankly, "Too much homework," sounds like the whine of an 8th grader.

Although if you want an answer to joking or not understanding, I would recommend looking at some of the threads that poster has started.

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RE: Rick Santorum says don't send your kids to college - 1/29/2012 10:38:09 AM   
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Hell, why stop there?
If you believe wages exist, then you're a Marxist.


Yeah, that seems to be one of those places where some of the nuttier rightwing rantobots run completely off their half-track minds.

What am I, if I've concluded that disexistentialists exist? ...  

(There should be an Austin Lounge Lizards song about that.)


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