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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 7:45:58 AM   
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gotta tell you though erin, when He is here, I prefer to be in collar and cuffs.  Sure I put clothes on over them if we go out, but I disrobe almost immediately upon return.  Hopefully before he has asked me to.  Personally I do not care what people think about what it is that I do with my Master.  Whether or not it fits someone's definition or perpetutates a myth, it works for us, whatever it is.

The myth is that "24/7 = always naked kneeling and in chains"

The fact that you ARE or PREFER to always be that way is fine- I always prefer to be naked myself.

But just because a person is NOT naked kneeling and in chains doesn't mean they aren't 24/7.

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 7:49:07 AM   
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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 7:51:35 AM   
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The females in those countires are dominated.  that is in fact Ds.

 
D/s is by choice of both parties. I somehow doubt that these women you speak of, are given the choice as to whether they can be dominant or not. I dont see D/s relationships, only one person asserting authority over another who has no choice but to accept that authority. The consequences of doing otherwise is significant. Apples and oranges here.

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 7:55:33 AM   
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Please do not feel offended.  That is not my intention.  The meaning of the words dominance and submission if you look them up will not have anything next to them about Masters and slaves. or BDSM.  I used that to make an example of the way *I* define a lifestyle.  If you choose to be offended by a difference of opinion, there is nothing I can do about that. 


. This thread is about contradicting the common myths found within our frame of reference, and within THAT frame of reference a 24/7 lifestyle as it applies here is possible.


And my contribution to that was to express my view on the 24/7 "myth".  Which I satisfactorily did. 

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 7:57:13 AM   
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The females in those countires are dominated.  that is in fact Ds.

 
D/s is by choice of both parties. I somehow doubt that these women you speak of, are given the choice as to whether they can be dominant or not. I dont see D/s relationships, only one person asserting authority over another who has no choice but to accept that authority. The consequences of doing otherwise is significant. Apples and oranges here.


Read the whole thread.  This was used as an anaolgy to point out what I see as a *lifestyle*.  I did not say that these people practice the same Ds that we practice. or that its even the same thing. 

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 7:57:57 AM   
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 when people hear 24/7 they somehow think that people who state that they live that way "play" all the time or live naked and in service.


gotta tell you though erin, when He is here, I prefer to be in collar and cuffs.  Sure I put clothes on over them if we go out, but I disrobe almost immediately upon return.  Hopefully before he has asked me to.  Personally I do not care what people think about what it is that I do with my Master.  Whether or not it fits someone's definition or perpetutates a myth, it works for us, whatever it is.


Well ya kinky perv!!!!

Yes, but as you said, you cover up to go out...so you're not naked at the bank or the PTA meeting. That is the point at which many step in and "See!!!!..you're not REALLY 24/7 because you aren't playing or naked and kneeling while you are talking to the teacher or the teller!!!" But...does your relationship change because you have to run to the bank? Of course not.

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 8:08:58 AM   
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The females in those countires are dominated.  that is in fact Ds.

 
D/s is by choice of both parties. I somehow doubt that these women you speak of, are given the choice as to whether they can be dominant or not. I dont see D/s relationships, only one person asserting authority over another who has no choice but to accept that authority. The consequences of doing otherwise is significant. Apples and oranges here.


Read the whole thread.  This was used as an anaolgy to point out what I see as a *lifestyle*.  I did not say that these people practice the same Ds that we practice. or that its even the same thing. 


Hi MarieToo,
I have read this entire thread and yes, you did say that it is an example of a D/s lifestyle. I was commenting on that.

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 8:13:03 AM   
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At any rate...agree or disagree, it is an absolute pleasure to talk with, debate and bounce things off an intelligent group of ladies.   :)



That's my cue to jump in and make a humourous comment.

Yours,


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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 8:14:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

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The females in those countires are dominated.  that is in fact Ds.

 
D/s is by choice of both parties. I somehow doubt that these women you speak of, are given the choice as to whether they can be dominant or not. I dont see D/s relationships, only one person asserting authority over another who has no choice but to accept that authority. The consequences of doing otherwise is significant. Apples and oranges here.


Read the whole thread.  This was used as an anaolgy to point out what I see as a *lifestyle*.  I did not say that these people practice the same Ds that we practice. or that its even the same thing. 


Hi MarieToo,
I have read this entire thread and yes, you did say that it is an example of a D/s lifestyle. I was commenting on that.


You took one sentence out of context of the entire comment and highlighted it.  In the entire statement that I made I said It is an example of  D and S  by the definitions of the words dominance and submission, as they apply to that lifestyle.  It is *not* the same form of Ds that we practice.    While it may be involuntary, it *is* dominance and submission. That was my meaning.  I was not saying it is the same as what we do. 

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 8:16:15 AM   
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At any rate...agree or disagree, it is an absolute pleasure to talk with, debate and bounce things off an intelligent group of ladies.   :)



That's my cue to jump in and make a humourous comment.

Yours,


benji


So, when is it gonna come???????

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 8:28:20 AM   
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marie...that is like saying that the slavery that was practiced in this country was a lifestyle.....or that it was Dominant and submissive in nature. The people in Iran, just like the slaves that were here have/had NO choice....they are not living a lifestyle, they are simply surviving. If you want to call it something, call it tyranny and oppression....but it is NOT Dominance and submission.
Just a slight tangent here but the type slavery in the South was considered a lifestyle. Thats why they seperated from the rest of the United States.

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 8:32:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: marieToo

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

quote:

The females in those countires are dominated.  that is in fact Ds.

 
D/s is by choice of both parties. I somehow doubt that these women you speak of, are given the choice as to whether they can be dominant or not. I dont see D/s relationships, only one person asserting authority over another who has no choice but to accept that authority. The consequences of doing otherwise is significant. Apples and oranges here.


Read the whole thread.  This was used as an anaolgy to point out what I see as a *lifestyle*.  I did not say that these people practice the same Ds that we practice. or that its even the same thing. 


Hi MarieToo,
I have read this entire thread and yes, you did say that it is an example of a D/s lifestyle. I was commenting on that.


You took one sentence out of context of the entire comment and highlighted it.  In the entire statement that I made I said It is an example of  D and S  by the definitions of the words dominance and submission, as they apply to that lifestyle.  It is *not* the same form of Ds that we practice.    While it may be involuntary, it *is* dominance and submission. That was my meaning.  I was not saying it is the same as what we do. 


It is not dominance and submission in my opinion. It is oppression at it's worse. Agree to disagree? <s> Oh, and I highlighted and quoted just the short comment to save on space, not to ignore the entire comment. As you can see, I have now included everything :)

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 8:34:34 AM   
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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 8:38:18 AM   
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So, when is it gonna come???????



I get asked that a lot.  Is that a bad thing?

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 8:39:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: marieToo

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

quote:

The females in those countires are dominated.  that is in fact Ds.

 
D/s is by choice of both parties. I somehow doubt that these women you speak of, are given the choice as to whether they can be dominant or not. I dont see D/s relationships, only one person asserting authority over another who has no choice but to accept that authority. The consequences of doing otherwise is significant. Apples and oranges here.


Read the whole thread.  This was used as an anaolgy to point out what I see as a *lifestyle*.  I did not say that these people practice the same Ds that we practice. or that its even the same thing. 


Hi MarieToo,
I have read this entire thread and yes, you did say that it is an example of a D/s lifestyle. I was commenting on that.


You took one sentence out of context of the entire comment and highlighted it.  In the entire statement that I made I said It is an example of  D and S  by the definitions of the words dominance and submission, as they apply to that lifestyle.  It is *not* the same form of Ds that we practice.    While it may be involuntary, it *is* dominance and submission. That was my meaning.  I was not saying it is the same as what we do. 


It is not dominance and submission in my opinion. It is oppression at it's worse. Agree to disagree? <s> Oh, and I highlighted and quoted just the short comment to save on space, not to ignore the entire comment. As you can see, I have now included everything :)


No, I actually agree.  It is not Ds the way *we* see it.  Its a downright horror to live that way.  However it IS a lifestyle...which...one more time...was the primary point I was trying to make....Seconday to that....its a lifestyle that involves an *extreme* degree of dominance and involuntary submission...Not at all the same thing that we do.

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 8:40:41 AM   
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“There can be no really pervasive system of oppression... without the consent of the oppressed” (Florynce R. Kennedy)

I dont believe that for a second. Most who are oppressed feel they have no choice but to be oppressed. It is like saying "There can be no real system of abuse...without the consent of the abused".

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 8:41:06 AM   
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So, when is it gonna come???????



I get asked that a lot.  Is that a bad thing?

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lmaooooooo. 

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 8:50:42 AM   
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“There can be no really pervasive system of oppression... without the consent of the oppressed” (Florynce R. Kennedy)



I dont believe that for a second. Most who are oppressed feel they have no choice but to be oppressed. It is like saying "There can be no real system of abuse...without the consent of the abused".



Which, to a certain degree, is true. Unless someone is chained to a wall and beaten with a stick, an abused person always has a choice to walk out and leave it all there.  Usually, this will, not happen because the abused person thinks they will be worse off if they leave, or they rationalize it, or whatever.  But they could, at any time, walk out.  So they are consenting to it. 

I go to work.  Do I always enjoy it?  No.  But if I stop going, I stop getting money.  So I rationalize it.

In both cases, the person feels like there is some incentive to stay, or a problem with walking away.  I'm not saying abuse is not a bad thing, or should be taken lightly, but if an otherwise normal person decides to change their abusive situation, they can.

Therefore, they consent.

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 9:23:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		That was very insightful, benji. Thanks, I don't think I could've worded it as well as you did.

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RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. - 6/2/2006 9:33:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would also like to say (again, a tangent) that the way people live in the Middle East isn't oppressive to them. It's just a way of life. Funny thing is, when they look at the Western women, what do you think is the first thing at come to mind? First it's the shock. They tend to think "How can they live like that? They're just common whores." In the way they live, they have all the freedom they want or need. They don't have to work, they don't worry about the latest political scandle or if what they're wearing is going to look nice when they go to dinner, they don't worry about what car they drive. The way they live isn't bad, it's just different.

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