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newt Moon-beam wants to go to the moon again.....and..... - 1/26/2012 4:08:57 PM   
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Newt Gingrich promises to build a moon colony by 2020; make it a U.S. state


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/newt-gingrich-promises-build-moon-colony-2020-u-211103078.html

He`s serious...

"In a speech to supporters on the Florida space coast, Gingrich called for a "grandiose" effort to colonize space. "It's the second great launch of the adventure John F. Kennedy started," said Gingrich."


"Gingrich opened up the possibility of the moon becoming the 51st state, something he believes could happen once a permanent settlement reaches a population of 13,000 Americans. While a 1967 United Nations document says that no one country can claim sovereignty over the moon, the U.S., Russia, and China failed to sign a more recent U.N. treaty to settle the question of who owns the moon."

Doesn`t newty realize that "grandiose", is a negative comment?

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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 4:10:01 PM   
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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 4:12:17 PM   
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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 4:15:18 PM   
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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 4:16:26 PM   
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I expect the price of Moon rocks to drop.

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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 4:21:24 PM   
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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 6:53:47 PM   
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Is he gonna do this with smaller government, or with tax cuts?
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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 7:19:02 PM   
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Is he gonna do this with smaller government, or with tax cuts?



How about giving potential investors a financial incentive to take crazy risks with their money? Say, a 15% tax rate on the ones that pay off, maybe?

Stratolaunch Systems, A Paul G. Allen Project It's about a 3 minute video. Spaceship One proves it can be done this way.

How about, when the time comes, we waive the years of study and lawsuits over what impact a 10-mile runway complex is going to have on the turtles? How about the lowest priority of the engine designers is the greenhouse gas emissions?

I guess that's an artful combination of both.

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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 7:24:56 PM   
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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 7:35:53 PM   
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These the same investors who are sitting on cash?




Some. This thing might never work. They might never see a dime of return, or even lose the whole wad they put in. If you think you are going to get nailed with the taxes too, if it does pay off, then why? Just leave it right where it is.

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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 7:51:58 PM   
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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 7:57:30 PM   
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How about using the same level of intense government input into creating an alt-energy sourced energy-independence-mission......much like the moon mission?


There`s many ways to become a world leader other than letting things sit as they are.


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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 8:01:51 PM   
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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 8:06:04 PM   
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Actually,that was my 1st taste of conspiracy theorists......what a weird taste it was.


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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 8:19:51 PM   
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Why would a venture not making any profit get nailed with taxes?




I'm not sure if we are looking at the same page, Muse. If the companies fail to make any money, or fail outright, the investors either gain nothing for their investment, or lose some to all of it. On top of that risk, should we disincentivize them further with high taxes on whatever they might get back, if a daring investment pays off?

I make no claims to knowing the tax code well enough to say you can't find a write-off somewhere in it, but if you had your whole retirement in Solyndra, you're pretty well fucked. If you had 12% there, well at least the rate is low on the municipal bonds, but we ain't going to Bermuda in February.

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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 8:21:40 PM   
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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 8:32:36 PM   
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You wanna go to the moon with Newt, Rich, pack your bags and enjoy.



Newt's an asshole, Muse, and his 2020 timeline is ludicrous campaign crapola, but you asked how conservative principles would apply to such a program, and I told you.

No need to get pissy, or invoke the Keepers Of Obscure Knowledge to hide behind.

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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 8:39:47 PM   
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And chill. It's a joke.

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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 8:43:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Check it out a little, Muse. It's a cool idea, even if it is out there at the edge of the possible.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?

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RE: newt Moon-beam want to go to the moon again.....and... - 1/26/2012 9:24:53 PM   
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Is he gonna do this with smaller government, or with tax cuts?


Now at least we know where he plans to put this smaller government.

I recommend the dark side. If you listen to other neo-cons like George Noory for instance, there are already structures there that they can move into


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