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crazyml -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 1:38:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DominantHunger
I don't get it either - except I think you summed up their kink in that sentence. Is that what you were looking to understand? I just throw it in the pile of not-my-kinks, so I am curious if an actual pay pig wants to provide an alternate explanation.


Yep, I kind of expect it to remain in that pile for me too - But, I'm as keen as you to see if there's an alternate explanation.



cuckold37 -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 1:38:18 PM)

as an actual paypig it starts out small.buying something from amazon or ebay.maybe you get a sexy pic in return.the size of the gifts get bigger ,the pics get nicer.its like any other fetish it grows on you and sometimes you become a junkie to it.if you have decent Mistress its not just for nothing.i have met my Mistress many times.i have cleaned her house.we went to a fetish party as Rider and human pony.its more than just paying.



amaidiamond -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 1:41:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crazyml


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ORIGINAL: amaidiamond
For example "who the fuck would be that stupid, that weak, that pathetic that they'd  allow someone else to control what they wear / allow someone to decide when they go to the bathroom / ask for someone to beat them black and blue" (Please note, not my opinion used as an example)

I don't think that any fetish makes someone weak, pathetic etc. Sure theres many that don't float my boat but I don't think it is the act itself that defines what the person is.

Make any sense?


Yes, it does... but but,.. in all of the examples you cite there is at least a relationship... it seems to me that the paypig relationship is... pretty much non-existant?

(I don't know if that makes any sense?)



Yeah it does. Maybe the fact it's totally unilateral is the appeal?

my Sir at one point had a playmate for whom it HAD to be one sided for her to get anything from it... all she wanted was for him to show up, knock her around a bit amd then leave her in a heap and walk out. She had to be litterally nothing in order for her "needs" to be met..

Maybe it's the same for them, maybe they -have- to give and can't have anything in return?

Shame the -paypig- active on the forums at the moment is a troll, perspective could have been useful



crazyml -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 1:41:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cuckold37

as an actual paypig it starts out small.buying something from amazon or ebay.maybe you get a sexy pic in return.the size of the gifts get bigger ,the pics get nicer.its like any other fetish it grows on you and sometimes you become a junkie to it.if you have decent Mistress its not just for nothing.i have met my Mistress many times.i have cleaned her house.we went to a fetish party as Rider and human pony.its more than just paying.



That suggests something more than my (probably way too narrow, and just as probably 'wrong') definition of pay pig.

You've formed a relationship with your Mistress.. now it may not be one that would work for me personally, but it does seem like a functioning relationship. I'm thinking of pay pigs as the people who waft money across the interweb in return for nothing...

Is that just too narrow a definition?

[Edit to add]

Sorry - I should have said thanks for posting.



amaidiamond -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 1:46:32 PM)

*I'm thinking of pay pigs as the people who waft money across the interweb in return for nothing...*

Do any of those actually in reality exist?



cuckold37 -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 1:46:41 PM)

i wouldnt argue there are some paypigs who get nothing in return except the rush of being used.i do believe most are looking for at least some wank material.and i really hope i am not the troll mentioned above.



amaidiamond -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 1:49:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cuckold37

i wouldnt argue there are some paypigs who get nothing in return except the rush of being used.i do believe most are looking for at least some wank material.and i really hope i am not the troll mentioned above.


Noooooooooo - theres a guy with a pay-pig screen name thats been spamming the forums the last day or so and trolling.



Lucylastic -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 1:49:59 PM)

FR....you could say the same about any group, who you see as debasing themselves. Im not mentioning any group in particular, but to deny there is any double standard is ridiculous.
desperate, weak and pathetic is so subjective its not funny.


Using "you" as a generalisation, not biased towards fem subs, male doms, kajira, goreans, mistresses,fin dommes, piggies or TVs CDs, Trans,etc etc etc



Zonie63 -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 1:52:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml

I've always shuddered at the concept of the "Pay pig". It bothers me more than a lot of other things. At the heart of it is the question "who the fuck would be that stupid, that weak, that pathetic that they'd hand over money to a complete stranger in return for absolutely nothing?


I used to give money to panhandlers when I was younger, but not anymore. Even those who would carry signs that say "Why lie? I need a beer," sometimes I would give them money just because they were being honest. But my philosophy on that has since changed.

I'm kind of a sucker for hard luck stories, too, and my main job is that of a social worker, which doesn't really pay that much anyway. If someone says they need groceries or diapers for their baby or cat food, I can sometimes spare a few bucks, but nowhere near the amounts these so-called "pay pigs" seem to be paying. They must be in a completely different income bracket, so if they can afford it and they're happy, good luck to 'em. Some of them might be thinking or hoping that they might get more out of the deal someday, as some of the findomme profiles hint at such a possibility.




crazyml -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 1:52:30 PM)

Good question.... given that it's clearly so worthwhile for the scammers to pose as hot young dommes it would seem to me that there's a market.

I'm also wondering if the nagging suspicion that "Hollie, 18, 5'5" from London" is actually a dude actually enhances the pay piggery...



crazyml -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 1:54:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cuckold37
i really hope i am not the troll mentioned above.


Fuck no.

Seriously, thanks for chiming in.



Ninebelowzero -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 1:55:48 PM)

Now that is a very good point. So there's the frisson of homosexuality?



crazyml -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 1:59:02 PM)

Well... not so much homosexuality, but the frisson of being duped on top of it all perhaps?

You seem, with the greatest respect and on the understanding that you've weathered well of course, gnarly enough to remember the early days of the interweb - where there were hoards of dudes, pretending to be chicks, having hella-awesome lesbian cyber in the #BiFemSex channel, who had to be complete wantwits if they didn't accept that there was a very high likelihood that they were having that hella-awesome lesbian cyber in the #BiFemSex channel with another dude, also pretending to be a lass.



cuckold37 -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 1:59:44 PM)

i will mention that i did meet Mistress before i became her paypiggie.i knew her for several months as a latex lover .we talked about different kinks we had.i cleaned her house and was her rubberpony before i became her paypig.i did have to talk her into it initially.



Ninebelowzero -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 2:02:12 PM)

Actually no I've only been on line for 2 years in all honesty, but yes I've heard about it.

Sorry but beddie calls 4.30 am kickout. Night all.



crazyml -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 2:02:14 PM)

Thanks cuckold37 - you've helped to broaden my definition.

It does seem to me that you've proven that not all pay pigs are desperate little losers.




xssve -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 2:07:16 PM)

No, desperate losers can't afford findommes, we have to make do with free internet porn.

We can't afford sports cars, hair plugs or Viagra either, the world just ain't fair.



MissToYouRedux -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 2:11:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: xssve

No, desperate losers can't afford findommes, we have to make do with free internet porn.



That needs to be *somebody's* sig line. [:D]



xxblushesxx -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 2:18:41 PM)

Some are into it for the humiliation.
But some are not.
Are these guys desperate losers?
Not from the ones I've met; they've all been (yes, every one of them) well-spoken, interesting to talk to, and had decent jobs. I haven't seen all of them on cam, so I can't speak to their looks, but the couple I have wouldn't have scared anyone away either.
So, no. They don't appear to be desperate or losers from the admittedly small (relative to how many there are) sample size I've come across. Although some of them do like to roleplay that they are.



NocturnalStalker -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 2:29:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Folks,

One of the great things about this side of the site is that it's resulted in my prejudices being challenged and my mind opened on a number of occasions.

I'm willing to admit that I carry a lot of preconceptions and prejudices (let's face it, who can help that), but I do try to remain open to those prejudices being called on, and I'm committed to growing as a human being.

I've always shuddered at the concept of the "Pay pig". It bothers me more than a lot of other things. At the heart of it is the question "who the fuck would be that stupid, that weak, that pathetic that they'd hand over money to a complete stranger in return for absolutely nothing?

C'mon team, open my mind!


I rationalize it as, if somebody has the funds to throw away carelessly and do not spend it in more productive and helpful ways but instead use it to "spoil" some random person online that they share little of a relationship with outside transaction deserve to be called out and ridiculed endlessly. 

Yes, yes, I'm aware... "your kink isn't my kink" and all that but we'd be telling ourselves a lie if we said that we did not think some of these kinks were not... in layman's terms... fucking dumb.



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