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NocturnalStalker -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 9:44:47 PM)

Well you see CrazyML is talking about pay-pigs that give money to a financial dominant.  He's talking merely about one part of the "domination spectrum."

You're pretty much saying that every guy out there that identifies as a master/dominant enjoys sadism. 

So if you're going to get on his case for a sweeping generalization you should probably not make an even greater one.  Just a heads-up.






xXLithiumXx -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 10:17:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Folks,

One of the great things about this side of the site is that it's resulted in my prejudices being challenged and my mind opened on a number of occasions.

I'm willing to admit that I carry a lot of preconceptions and prejudices (let's face it, who can help that), but I do try to remain open to those prejudices being called on, and I'm committed to growing as a human being.

I've always shuddered at the concept of the "Pay pig". It bothers me more than a lot of other things. At the heart of it is the question "who the fuck would be that stupid, that weak, that pathetic that they'd hand over money to a complete stranger in return for absolutely nothing?

C'mon team, open my mind!




I posted part of this on the other thread about pro Domme's.

I want to be really fast, because it is late and I have to be up at the ass crack of dawn to do the mommy thing.

There's a couple of misconceptions that these guys are losers or what have you...but they really arent.

For some people, the mental stimulation of a "dirty" email is all it takes. For some people, the idea that they are wearing panties under the power suit because a stranger 200 miles away told them to does it.

It's about their kink and what works for them with their lifestyle.

From someone who played the pro domme end of things a while I can tell you that for me, it fits many aspects of BDSM for me. I do not have to be tied down to any one, I do not have to constantly monitor and dominant anyone, I do not have to deal with any of the messiness of being in a relationship and I get my sadistic needs met while giving into the luxury of being somewhat submissive. I allow them to top from the bottom by setting the scene, and I do not have to constantly try to struggle with an internal power play and keeping things on track.

I know it is not something that many people understand, and it is something that most people find to be disreputable. Sadly, I disagree. It is just what works for some people.


ETA- A decent ProDomme, or FinDomme, will take the time to put some work into what she is doing, or at least I did for the short time I did this. I spent time getting to know the person, and more importantly to listen to what they were telling me beyond what they wanted, or what they fantasized about. That's not everyone that is doing this. I know on the other side you see a shit ton of duck faced "18 year old" Dominants that have been doing this for years and like many of you, if not all, I shake my head and laugh. (I actually read the profiles like comics because I get such a kick out of many of them.)

At the end of the day, the dynamic is what works for the people in it. It's not something you have to understand, after all, do you think your mom would understand why you want to be tied down and flogged? Or whatever your kink is? I mean...to the "normal" world, none of what we do is understandable, psychology even calls it sick and says that we need help. Do any of us feel that is true? Eh, probably a slim portion, but most of us are at peace with who we are.





xssve -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 10:20:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking


quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml

I've always shuddered at the concept of the "Pay pig". It bothers me more than a lot of other things. At the heart of it is the question "who the fuck would be that stupid, that weak, that pathetic that they'd hand over money to a complete stranger in return for absolutely nothing?

C'mon team, open my mind!


Well for that matter, can't the same be said for Masters: they must feel so weak, unattractive and insecure that they have to chain a woman and brutalize her into submission? I honestly don't recommend 'pop psychology' as a kink in this lifestyle...
[sm=jerry.gif]
Really, glass houses, lol.




xssve -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 10:22:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

Well you see CrazyML is talking about pay-pigs that give money to a financial dominant.  He's talking merely about one part of the "domination spectrum."

You're pretty much saying that every guy out there that identifies as a master/dominant enjoys sadism. 

So if you're going to get on his case for a sweeping generalization you should probably not make an even greater one.  Just a heads-up.



No, it was a troll for payingoinker, the party's over, you're just pontificating over the half empty glasses and cigarette butts.




xssve -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 10:23:55 PM)

Oh wait, there's still a chick, it's still a party!




xXLithiumXx -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 10:27:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: xssve

Oh wait, there's still a chick, it's still a party!



Eh...kinda.

My brain is slowly shutting down, but I took a nap and I am having a hard time getting the rest of me to be still...

And I mean, look, I claim that I am a Malkavian..I dunno that you wanna put too much stock into what I say. I am more than humble enough to admit that what I have to say may or may not be valid...it is after all just my opinion and seldom is it popular.

;)




xssve -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 10:51:44 PM)

Brain shutting down? Time to maaaaake a move, heh heh.

Malkavian? I'll have to google that, but I'll go for sense over popularity every fucking time.

Oooh, aren't I preeeety? Touch my monkey- touch it! Touch it!

I don't know why I thought of that, you probably don't remember that, it was an old SNL skit, lol.




xssve -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 10:53:57 PM)

From me to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo9riZYUpTw




xssve -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 10:58:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

Well you see CrazyML is talking about pay-pigs that give money to a financial dominant.  He's talking merely about one part of the "domination spectrum."

You're pretty much saying that every guy out there that identifies as a master/dominant enjoys sadism. 

So if you're going to get on his case for a sweeping generalization you should probably not make an even greater one.  Just a heads-up.



From me to you NS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao0BdtZr2_M




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 11:03:28 PM)

This kink is still stupid and vampires don't exist.  




xssve -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 11:11:17 PM)

Smile when you say that.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 11:17:59 PM)

I'm offended and would appreciate an apology.  




xssve -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 11:30:32 PM)

Here ya go, savor it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0GKiNp9-Bk&ob=av2e




crazyml -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 11:53:00 PM)

I'm sorry you thought it was a silly question. Personally I found some of the responses really really interesting and thoughtful.

Oh and you can rest assured, if my intention had been to produce a satire I would have created a wholly different thread.




xssve -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/29/2012 11:54:24 PM)

Law of unintended consequences then?




crazyml -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/30/2012 12:04:11 AM)

Perhaps you could point out these unintended consequences to me?

The intended consequence was a discussion of the motivations/benefits that someone into being a pay pig might derive. That does seem to have been fulfilled. Sure, as with pretty much any thread, there were a few posters who contributed nothing, but that's pretty typical of the boards.




xssve -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/30/2012 12:23:32 AM)

How about "lamest thread ever"?




crazyml -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/30/2012 12:37:30 AM)

Thanks for your contribution xssvex. I'm sure that people will read your posts on this thread and be thoroughly moved by your compelling argument.




xssve -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/30/2012 12:55:18 AM)

I'm guessing come morning they'll be "moved" by the whole thread. [:D]

Think of it as a tribute.

Wish I had a song for you, maybe next time.




crazyml -> RE: Are all "Pay Pigs" just desperate little losers? (1/30/2012 1:01:56 AM)

Thanks for your contribution xssvex. I'm sure that people will read your posts on this thread and be thoroughly moved by your compelling argument.




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