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That argument is foolish, and I will not engauge in Reductio Ad Absurdum. The issue here is willing abortion not miscarriages. I already told you that if one life is likely to end, then I believe you have to protect the woman because she already can survive on her own.

And we have moved past that argument.

I stated men should take responsibility to end abortions. Are you going to say that argument is foolish? That its only the woman's responsibility?

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Not at all. I believe wholeheartedly that the father should, if possible, take care of the woman and child everyway he can. I am not a fool who believes that women alone are to shoulder the responsibility.

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ORIGINAL: ghostraven

8. All (at least the first several times). And all. I am very responsible like that. I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. Neither of us will bend on this.

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8. All (at least the first several times). And all. I am very responsible like that. I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. Neither of us will bend on this.

While you claim to be very responsible like that, most men arent. I have first hand knowledge of that fact having grown up with four brothers and over a dozen male cousins, not to mention 9 years working Labor and Delivery.

The fact is that no one wants to do anything to prevent those pregnancies... we are speaking of the pro lifers.

No one wants to do anything to help raise those infants... again, speaking of the pro lifers.

But, by god, if those infants arent the most precious gifts on earth for those few moments its crowning.

I cant help that you dont see the hypocrisy in that belief.

But, you really should look at the hypocrisy of forcing a woman to do something with her body that puts it in more danger than your body would be in to prevent the pragnancy to begin with.

And if that comment confuses you, you should study up on the mortality causes and rates of pregnancies.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
Abortion should be safe, legal and rare.

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It is unfair that you call every person who is against abortion dead beats who will not help raise children.

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It is also unfair to assume everyone who does not use a condom is prolife.

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No one is forcing her to fuck in most situations.

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If they are, then it is regretable but it happens. Bad things happen to good people. I wish to God that this was not so, but it is.

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It is unfair that you call every person who is against abortion dead beats who will not help raise children.

I did not call anyone a dead beat dad. I said they didnt bother to check.

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It is also unfair to assume everyone who does not use a condom is prolife.

I agree, they are not, nor did I say they were.

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No one is forcing her to fuck in most situations.

No one is forcing him to fuck either, in most situations.

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If they are, then it is regretable but it happens. Bad things happen to good people. I wish to God that this was not so, but it is.

So rape is ok with you.

Pro lifers are against abortions. How many of them are also against the funding of birth control?

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No. You said that no one wants to help raise the infants. That is biased and not always true. No one is forcing to him to fuck. Agreed. He should man up and take care of his child and his childs mother.

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not truely an argument to bring rape up. I wish it didn't happen. I really do. However, destroying a life to get over an injustice is selfish and cruel. Adoption is a better alternative.

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ORIGINAL: ghostraven

All established steps and proceedures in a pregnency. I am not a doctor. As for health insurance and a lack of funding I must say if you can't pay, don't play. The same as buying a car in that instance. A fact of life my friends.

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Not at all. I believe wholeheartedly that the father should, if possible, take care of the woman and child everyway he can. I am not a fool who believes that women alone are to shoulder the responsibility.

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Chivalry truely is dead I suppose and I should stop fighting for my beliefs because reality tv and social norms are against me.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I wish I could find that funny. Too many of the men on these boards have said exactly the same thing. Its rather sad, actually.

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Also, if you are going to call me dude, spell it correctly.

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It is unfortunate that there are so many who believe that children are being forced upon them. If you do not want a child then I suggest abstaining or getting your shit tied. The same for men. I do not only believe this door swings one way. However, I am wasting my time here. None of you believe in the good in people (men inparticular). I cannot change that. I will step up when the time comes. I am sorry others will not do the same. I am sorry that they are the men you see and hear about. I wash my hands of this. No one is going to give. God bless or Blessed Be. Or what other fair the well you would like to add.

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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

No because you believe a victim of rape should contine to carry a product of that act..

Have you ever been forced? Gotten pregnant? Lost a child? I have

I was raped repeatedly as a child... The last time that bastard touched me...I got pregnant... I was 12.....

In your opinion I should have had that child? At 12..... And had the emotional maturity to give it up?...

Yeah... You really are smoking something great there...I'd like some...

Abortions aren't a walk in the park.... They aren't pleasant.... There's a part of your soul that's shattered that you can't ever fix.... There's an emptiness to you... You can ever fill...

You think its EASY!!!!!!! It's the most unbearable pain you could ever imagine...

It hurts and your left hollow....

But women choose it still... Because its the best option to them.... That torture is the best shot they have... Wither its a teen that can now finish high schools... Or a Mom who can't provide for another mouth... Or the only way to fix that one mistake...the only way to get that feeling of being violated from under your skin out....

Pro life people never really understand... The pain the suffering the mental torture... That someone who chooses this option goes through...

I miscarried the only child ill ever have and that guilt follows me.... But I was going to abort... Fate did it for me.. so I didn't have to face the cowards who can't see the strength and steel resolve to make the best choice they have available....