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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 4:18:01 AM   
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It is unfortunate that there are so many who believe that children are being forced upon them. If you do not want a child then I suggest abstaining or getting your shit tied. The same for men. I do not only believe this door swings one way. However, I am wasting my time here. None of you believe in the good in people (men inparticular). I cannot change that. I will step up when the time comes. I am sorry others will not do the same. I am sorry that they are the men you see and hear about. I wash my hands of this. No one is going to give. God bless or Blessed Be. Or what other fair the well you would like to add.



What the hell does this have to do with "the good in people"? And why would you be sorry for other peoples actions? You never dirtied your hands in the first place. Going to give what? Do you actually think about what youre saying before you post?

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I'll say it one last time. If there is a chance that a mother will not live. A legitiment chance, that either the child or the mother will die (as would a twelve year old) then you must protect the immediate life. I am sorry you had a real piece of shit in your life. I am sorry bad things happen to good people. But that just is not my problem. I am a good man. I have flaws. I have done nothing but attempt rational arguments with you lot. Your circumstances are regretabe. Your comfort is no cause for an abortion. If someone steals from me, I don't go rob their debt child because they needed the money for child support. Sad though it is, this world was cruel to you. That does not change my opinion and it never will


Youre sorry bad things happen to good people but its not your problem? OUR circumstances are regrettable? Are you some kind of demi-god and above everyone else? Our comfort is no cause? But making sure that people like you are comfortable is ?

Do you know what the word narcissist means?

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 4:25:57 AM   
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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 4:33:05 AM   
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It is unfortunate that there are so many who believe that children are being forced upon them. If you do not want a child then I suggest abstaining or getting your shit tied. The same for men. I do not only believe this door swings one way. However, I am wasting my time here. None of you believe in the good in people (men inparticular). I cannot change that. I will step up when the time comes. I am sorry others will not do the same. I am sorry that they are the men you see and hear about. I wash my hands of this. No one is going to give. God bless or Blessed Be. Or what other fair the well you would like to add.



Because in pa to get your tubes tied for a woman....you have to have had three children or be nearly 40.. for men its 27...and a sperm bank deposit..


Really? I just recently had my second child and I was asked about tubal ligation, more than once. Of course I am in Kansas, so that could be the difference. I have a friend in Colorado who had a vasectomy at about 20 and my little sister had her tubes tied after her second child (also in Colorado.)

You are, of course, also talking about a state in which you have to go to a bar to buy a six pack of beer.

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I need a hysterectomy....it would solve all my issues with my girl bits.... But they refuse.... because at the time I was 14.... And freezing eggs would cost too much... Now its because its barely managed by birth control... So why fuck up a good thing....


This is odd as well. The US performs far more hysterectomies than are needed. There are also some other issues once you have one. It may be a good thing overall that you have not had one.

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 4:38:03 AM   
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Murder is also illegal but done by back ally means. So...Murder would be safer if it was legal? Come now, we can do better than "it is safer to kill them this way".



If it's LEGAL, it's not Murder, which is a specifically defined criminal act.

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 4:39:38 AM   
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Abortion should be safe, legal and rare.


You'll never have all three. Roe v. Wade guaranteed the first two.



Well, I would say it's already rare. No-one rational believes the "Abortion as contraception" hysterical pearl clutching of the "Pro Coathanger Death" crowd. And if they're crazy, you can understand why the believe that insanity. THEY'RE CRAZY.

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 4:45:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		The whole abortion as contraception argument is laughable.
(Of course, the really funny part is that the people coming out with that one are the same cretins fixated on making any form of contraception that prevents pregnancy in the first place as difficult and inconvenient to get hold of as they possibly can...)

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 4:48:00 AM   
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ghostraven
But that just is not my problem.


I was so glad to see you had written this. It was the first thing you said that I could agree with.

You're right. It's not your problem. So don't try and solve it.

You don't have to live with the consequences of any of this. So stop telling those that do what they can and can't do. You haven't a clue.

And support whatever decision a woman may make. Because she is the one who has to live with the consequences.

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 4:54:25 AM   
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...  I support Life.

... Also, if you are going to call me dude, spell it correctly.




Deuxd; for one, this is the internet, not a thesis paper. Internet spelling can and does differ from homework paper spelling.


Capitalizing the word life, as done above, is something I've not seen in either situation. Nouns are capped in German.

This is English.







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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 5:08:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		He is an interesting little chap. I like the way he wants to control everyones lives and spelling when Im sure he cant do either one for himself. I bet when he aims he misses the toilet too. I noticed he disappeared. I bet his mom rushed him out the door otherwise he was going to miss the bus.

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 5:10:14 AM   
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The whole abortion as contraception argument is laughable.


Margret Sanger would disagree. You do know that in the US, the abortion rate for blacks is 3 times as high as for whites.

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(Of course, the really funny part is that the people coming out with that one are the same cretins fixated on making any form of contraception that prevents pregnancy in the first place as difficult and inconvenient to get hold of as they possibly can...)


This is untrue. Condoms are easy to get a hold of . For free even. BCPs are fairly easy too. Cost is not an issue as any county health department has sliding scale fees.

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 5:13:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not actually what I was saying: the same people who are keen to overturn Roe vs Wade and who enjoy picketing family planning clinics are also rather keen to stop chemists selling johnnies or the pill, aren't they?

(I was forgetting the disparity in abortion rates across the colour line, though. Mea culpa.)

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 5:13:34 AM   
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The whole abortion as contraception argument is laughable.


Margret Sanger would disagree. You do know that in the US, the abortion rate for blacks is 3 times as high as for whites.

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(Of course, the really funny part is that the people coming out with that one are the same cretins fixated on making any form of contraception that prevents pregnancy in the first place as difficult and inconvenient to get hold of as they possibly can...)


This is untrue. Condoms are easy to get a hold of . For free even. BCPs are fairly easy too. Cost is not an issue as any county health department has sliding scale fees.



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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 5:21:10 AM   
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No because you believe a victim of rape should contine to carry a product of that act..

Have you ever been forced? Gotten pregnant? Lost a child? I have

I was raped repeatedly as a child... The last time that bastard touched me...I got pregnant... I was 12.....

In your opinion I should have had that child? At 12..... And had the emotional maturity to give it up?...


Your circumstances are regretabe. Your comfort is no cause for an abortion.



Wow.

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 5:24:19 AM   
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I did not say rape is okay. I said only that it is inevitable and there is nothing we can do to change that.


And why do you think rape is inevitable?

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 5:30:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know of a woman who has had 5 abortions.  She never took birth control as she "didn't believe in it".  Nor did she ever give birth to a child.  So, yeah, she used abortion as a form of birth control. But she was an exception to the rule--which the pro lifers actually think is the rule.

But the fact is, most abortions (not accounting for those sought by rape and incest survivors) are sought by women who do everything short of abstinence to prevent pregnancies.  Many of them are married, with already more children than the family can afford. Somebody once told me that married couples who didn't want more kids who couldn't afford sterilization should just sleep in separate beds--yeah like that's a reality.




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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 6:43:23 AM   
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Overturning Roe merely turns it back to the states. It won't make abortion illegal.

It would make abortions illegal in the beltway of shame states, which are also the ones that have the most abortions.

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 6:52:32 AM   
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Why D.A.R.E. does not work "DARE glamorizes drugs. DARE brings students uniformed police officers (sometimes with a gun) driving seized drug vehicles, handing out free goodies like buttons, bumper stickers, tee-shirts, sodas, ribbons, diplomas and awards to capture kids' interest. This draws an undue amount of attention to a taboo activity, creating the "forbidden fruit" effect that actually increases drugs' appeal."


So yeah, we have gone from the war on poverty to war on the poor (thanks, cowboy!), then here lately war on the middle class, ... 

Just one success after another here, eh?

Thing is proper sex education isn't hypothetical, there are plenty of schools where it happens so if you're going to compare it to DARE you first need to see if such a comparison is valid. It's not, the children who only receive abstinence only education are vastly more likely to have unsafe sex.

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 6:53:14 AM   
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Somebody once told me that married couples who didn't want more kids who couldn't afford sterilization should just sleep in separate beds--yeah like that's a reality.



That doesn't work. Everyone knows that babies come from storing your toothbrushes next to each other.

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 6:55:27 AM   
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Today, life begins at conception, so no abortions.

The idea that life begins at conception has always struck me as bizarre because both the sperm and the egg are alive.

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RE: Time to call "Pro Lifers" what they are. ... - 2/1/2012 7:02:13 AM   
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Today, life begins at conception, so no abortions.

The idea that life begins at conception has always struck me as bizarre because both the sperm and the egg are alive.


If you want to take it farther. A cancer is alive. Would we outlaw killing that too?

I always find it very interesting that the Religious right is Anti abortion but they're also mostly pro death penalty and against spending extra to care for special needs children and the poor.

If you're going to be pro-life, you should be pro ALL life. You can't just be pro White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant-uppermiddleclass healthy baby life.

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