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DarkSteven -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 10:55:58 AM)

JanahX, while I tend to agree with you, I don't think that that's really the OP's problem.  At first, I couldn't figure out why this topic had gone so many pages and then I got the impression that he has some idea of what he wants, but has not been able to articulate it to himself very well.  In other words, he doesn't really know what he wants, and has been placing the blame on prospective subs for not understanding his dynamic.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 11:02:49 AM)

Here is what the OP says in his profile:

"There seems to be more and more women who just want the man to DO everything for them while they do nothing but sit on their bums, sleep, shop, and perhaps drink wine in the tub and sit back and enjoy it. Again this is not submission, it is domination to demand the guy does all the work while you do nothing in the relationship.
As a Dom, I'd never make MY submissives do all the work while I sat on my bum, even if I was broke and out of work I'd be out looking for a job." (emphasis added)

So here is the thing.

The OP uses the word "work" three times in this description, but he is using it to mean different things each time (in other words, yes, yet again, the devil is in the details - what does he mean by "work" in each of the contexts in which he uses the term? Sometimes he means household tasks, sometimes he means professional work outside the home, but it is entirely unclear when he means what, and therefore, somewhat difficult to truly understand what he means).

The OP feels that Domination = demand the other person does all the work while you do nothing in the relationship.

The OP also feels that even if he were out of work he would be doing something i.e., be out looking for a job (which to me sounds like the OP would then require the submissive to do everything else to keep the household above water, as long as he, the Dominant, were searching for work).

Other than "searching for work", where does the OP talk about what he brings to the table as part of the D/s relationship that he seeks? He states that "a submissive having a career or not is not a problem as long as other work gets done by someone/somehow", but again, does not talk about what he means by "other work" and does not talk about what specifically he would do for the submissive in return. And if he is fine with the other work getting done by "someone/somehow", then what is wrong with him doing the "other work" (whatever he means by this) by himself.

Sorry, someone correct me if I am wrong, but is not a D/s relationship still a two-way street - a give and take as defined by the specific parties involved?

To the OP - clarifying in your own mind what the give and take of a D/s relationship would be for YOU will greatly enhance your search. You need to understand what you bring to the table, what you expect someone else to bring to the table and how, exactly, you expect the give and take of this to work. I think you would benefit from greater specificity in your profile about what you want, but also what you can give.




JanahX -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 11:30:15 AM)

Steven - I couldnt disagree more. What he wants is a sub. How and why would subs respond to him, when he doesnt show any attributes of being dominant? How would he even recognize a sub if he stumbled across one? If he is on this website looking for a sub - then why would he put what he does in his profile? Who the hell would respond to that mess? To me .. thats not being very smart- nor showing any abilty to lead or even the slightest hint to figure basic things out. In fact - its what I would call the very opposite.

I have stated this before and I'll state it again: an original profile untouched is a great insight to whom the poster is and why they might be having troubles. Many, many many doms complain of the lack of the quality of subs on this site and how they all are oh so shitty. I tend to question: who is the complaint coming from? And what I see is - 99.99999% of the time - that these peoples ego are mistaken, and they place themselves in a dominant catigory. Give me a break. I sometimes wonder if half of these people can tie their own shoestrings.




subdomcpl -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 2:02:40 PM)

my submissive is an absolute. her actions thoughts and manner describe her more completely then the term.




Baroana -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 3:41:29 PM)

Man, talk about hitting the nail on the head. Does this guy have our number, or what?
Am I right? Am I right?

quote:

brder:

I do like the term "pillow princesses" - for these women, vanilla or bdsm, who think that the man should do everything for them--clean house, work 2 jobs, raise family, take them out, even do their laundry. There seems to be more and more women who just want the man to DO everything for them while they do nothing but sit on their bums, sleep, shop, and perhaps drink wine in the tub and sit back and enjoy it.




JanahX -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 5:02:16 PM)

He forgot about the part about eating BON BONS ALL DAY




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 5:03:16 PM)

Who gave you bonbons?? WTF, why are teh subz getting all the good pressies?

Discrimination!!




JanahX -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 5:04:26 PM)

here ... have a bon bon ...

[image]local://upfiles/1059980/544968E731F942299D8BB7391805DF6F.jpg[/image]




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 5:08:12 PM)

All RIGHTY then![:)]




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 5:42:58 PM)

Those will be perfect accompaniment while watchinng soap operas, perched atop my satin pillow!




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 5:50:25 PM)

~FR~

The snark seems to be thicker on the forums than it used to be.




JanahX -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 6:54:00 PM)

You definately need a bonbon

[image]local://upfiles/1059980/70D043F25F504C5894884D50C564BFFA.jpg[/image]




DesFIP -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 7:20:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JanahX

here ... have a bon bon ...

[image]local://upfiles/1059980/544968E731F942299D8BB7391805DF6F.jpg[/image]


If you're passing them out, could I have the dark chocolate one all the way on the right?




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 7:57:04 PM)

You can keep the bon bon's but will take a bourbon or some Jameson.

So how the hell is everyone doing?




GreedyTop -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 8:54:49 PM)

Nice to see you posting again, Orion :)




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 9:34:22 PM)

May not be around long. Having a difficult time adjusting to the new way of posting things. Thanks for the welcome back and glad to see a few familiar faces.




GreedyTop -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 9:36:06 PM)

I hope you do stay, I've always enjoyed your posts.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 9:39:54 PM)

Same here GreedyTop, but feel out of place a bit.




SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 10:27:35 PM)

So a sub who knows what they want and what they will and will not accept from a relationship.. isnt a sub..

a sub who expects some sort of effort equality... isnt a sub...

Well then that clears up all the things i ever needed to know in life.

Im not really a sub and thats all there is too it...




jennileigh8182 -> RE: Are the submissives here really submissive? (2/6/2012 11:05:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

So a sub who knows what they want and what they will and will not accept from a relationship.. isnt a sub..

a sub who expects some sort of effort equality... isnt a sub...

Well then that clears up all the things i ever needed to know in life.

Im not really a sub and thats all there is too it...



I can't tell you how many coughs "dominants" coughs have told me that very thing.




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