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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 5:35:16 PM   
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How long have people on these boards screamed about the minister in Obama's life?

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Ron Paul is not a white nationalist


More and more evidence is mounting that you are wrong.

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 5:42:34 PM   
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More and more evidence is mounting that you are wrong.


That's ridiculous (not to mention an assertion without an argument). Show me something that Ron Paul wrote that explicitly shows how he is a nationalist.

Ron Paul is an anarcho-capitalist in the tradition of the Austrian School. He wants to abolish all government and uses the constitution as a subterfuge. How is this even remotely close to nationalism?

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 5:56:24 PM   
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Paul`s indifference to civil rights laws and public accommodation laws is troubling.


Same with his dopey son.


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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 6:02:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: provfivetine

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More and more evidence is mounting that you are wrong.


That's ridiculous (not to mention an assertion without an argument). Show me something (anything) that Ron Paul wrote that explicitly shows that he is a nationalist.

Ron Paul is an anarcho-capitalist. He wants to abolish all government. He uses the constitution as a subterfuge. How is this even remotely close to nationalism?



By challenging established policies on immigration, civil rights and racial integration, white nationalists seek to build bridges with moderately conservative white citizens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism

But in Nevada, which is 26 percent Hispanic, Paul outlined an immigration policy far outside the Republican mainstream.

Paul blasted politicians who blame immigrants for causing the country’s economic problems. He compared the situation to Nazi Germany’s targeting of Jews in the 1930s.

Paul said he doesn’t support illegal immigration and said people who break the law should be punished. But he said he opposes any effort to round people up and ship them away.


http://www.rgj.com/article/20120201/NEWS19/120201029/Ron-Paul-Nevada-Immigration-not-solved-by-barbed-wire-guns

Challenges the position of immigration the US has.

Ron Paul Would Have Opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul told Chris Mathews on MSNBC Friday that he would not have voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, if he were a member of congress at the time. Though Paul said that while he thought Jim Crow laws were illegal, he would have opposed the Civil Rights Act "because of the property rights element, not because they got rid of the Jim Crow laws."


http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/05/ron-paul-would-have-opposed-civil-rights-act-1964/37726/

Challenges Civil Rights Act

"The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism." Congressman Ron Paul

http://www.thenationalpolicyinstitute.org/2010/01/12/the-trouble-with-forced-integration-by-ron-paul/


Integration....

And we havent even touched upon his former writings.

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 6:11:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: provfivetine

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
More and more evidence is mounting that you are wrong.


That's ridiculous (not to mention an assertion without an argument). Show me something (anything) that Ron Paul wrote that explicitly shows that he is a nationalist.

Ron Paul is an anarcho-capitalist. He wants to abolish all government. He uses the constitution as a subterfuge. How is this even remotely close to nationalism?



By challenging established policies on immigration, civil rights and racial integration, white nationalists seek to build bridges with moderately conservative white citizens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism

But in Nevada, which is 26 percent Hispanic, Paul outlined an immigration policy far outside the Republican mainstream.

Paul blasted politicians who blame immigrants for causing the country’s economic problems. He compared the situation to Nazi Germany’s targeting of Jews in the 1930s.

Paul said he doesn’t support illegal immigration and said people who break the law should be punished. But he said he opposes any effort to round people up and ship them away.


http://www.rgj.com/article/20120201/NEWS19/120201029/Ron-Paul-Nevada-Immigration-not-solved-by-barbed-wire-guns

Challenges the position of immigration the US has.

Ron Paul Would Have Opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul told Chris Mathews on MSNBC Friday that he would not have voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, if he were a member of congress at the time. Though Paul said that while he thought Jim Crow laws were illegal, he would have opposed the Civil Rights Act "because of the property rights element, not because they got rid of the Jim Crow laws."


http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/05/ron-paul-would-have-opposed-civil-rights-act-1964/37726/

Challenges Civil Rights Act

"The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism." Congressman Ron Paul

http://www.thenationalpolicyinstitute.org/2010/01/12/the-trouble-with-forced-integration-by-ron-paul/

Integration....

And we havent even touched upon his former writings.


All anarcho-capitalists oppose the Civil Rights Act and forced integration/segregation immigration policies. This has nothing to do with nationalism. Nationalism requires government. Ron Paul is an anarchist. What don't you understand about this?

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 6:25:42 PM   
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Please explain this "anarcho-capitalism" and show us how it isn`t a bunch of asshole bigots using hoyty-toyty college words to hide their hate/fear/loathing behind?


So far,no one ,including the Pauls,has been able to square this weirdness or defend it.

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 6:28:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59
Please explain this "anarcho-capitalism" and show us how it isn`t a bunch of asshole bigots using hoyty-toyty college words to hide their hate/fear/loathing behind?

So far,no one ,including the Pauls,has been able to square this weirdness or defend it.


Anarcho-Capitalism.

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 6:33:48 PM   
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No no now......





YOU explain/defend it.



IMO,it`s dry theory withing a vacuum......in other words.....rubbish.


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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 6:42:24 PM   
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No no now......

YOU explain/defend it.

IMO,it`s dry theory withing a vacuum......in other words.....rubbish.



I am absolutely not going to explain an entire corpus of political philosophy to you. Who the hell would do this over a message board?

If you want to understand what it is then read that link above. Murray Rothbard coined the term anarcho-capitalism with that publication.

To be very brief: anarcho-capitalism is just a private law society.

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 7:08:55 PM   
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We want to know how it`s a good idea not to have had/not have the Civil Rights Acts or "forced" integration/segregation.


So please.....explain this to us common folks.

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 7:10:27 PM   
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Pretty sure you`ll shirk tho.......

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 7:51:40 PM   
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We want to know how it`s a good idea not to have had/not have the Civil Rights Acts or "forced" integration/segregation.

So please.....explain this to us common folks.


Most of the Civil Rights Act is just, but titles 2 and 7 violate property rights. Ironically, the government doesn't necessarily abide by the Civil Rights Act since affirmative action in the public sector violates title 6. Anarcho-capitalists have no problem with affirmative action, so long as it's only done in the private sector. Forced integration/segregation also violates property rights.


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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 10:12:05 PM   
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Paul claims to have not written the virulently racist newsletters that were published by him, written in the first person and containing anecdotes appropriate to someone working in rural Texas as an Ob/Gyn. Paul claims to not be a white nationalist/bigot of the worst sort but takes money from Stormfront and holds conference calls with A3P and associated groups. Paul claims to be a libertarian but has frequently introduced laws into Congress intended to take away US citizens civil rights.

Paul's claims and the facts on the ground seem to be at variance. I think the facts speak for themselves.

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 10:25:30 PM   
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Paul claims to have not written the virulently racist newsletters that were published by him, written in the first person and containing anecdotes appropriate to someone working in rural Texas as an Ob/Gyn. Paul claims to not be a white nationalist/bigot of the worst sort but takes money from Stormfront and holds conference calls with A3P and associated groups. Paul claims to be a libertarian but has frequently introduced laws into Congress intended to take away US citizens civil rights.

Paul's claims and the facts on the ground seem to be at variance. I think the facts speak for themselves.


How many times do we have to go through this? How about we take what you said and apply it to Obama.

Obama claims to not have racist views even though he had a relationship with Reverend Wright and sat in his church for several years. Obama claims to not be a black nationalist/bigot of the worst sort but takes money from the black panthers and works with related members and associated groups. Obama claims to be a progressive but has frequently introduced laws in Congress intended to take away US citizens civil rights.

See how easy this is?

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 10:41:25 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Paul claims to have not written the virulently racist newsletters that were published by him, written in the first person and containing anecdotes appropriate to someone working in rural Texas as an Ob/Gyn. Paul claims to not be a white nationalist/bigot of the worst sort but takes money from Stormfront and holds conference calls with A3P and associated groups. Paul claims to be a libertarian but has frequently introduced laws into Congress intended to take away US citizens civil rights.

Paul's claims and the facts on the ground seem to be at variance. I think the facts speak for themselves.


How many times do we have to go through this? How about we take what you said and apply it to Obama.

Obama claims to not have racist views even though he had a relationship with Reverend Wright and sat in his church for several years. Obama claims to not be a black nationalist/bigot of the worst sort but takes money from the black panthers and works with related members and associated groups. Obama claims to be a progressive but has frequently introduced laws in Congress intended to take away US citizens civil rights.

See how easy this is?




Show us where Rev. Wright has racist views.

Any evidence at all.

A tape,a link or quote.

Take your time.

Yes,we`ve been through this many times, indeed.

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 11:01:10 PM   
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Show us where Rev. Wright has racist views.

Any evidence at all.

A tape,a link or quote.

Take your time.

Yes,we`ve been through this many times, indeed.


I don't think Wright is a racist, just like I don't think Ron Paul is a racist.

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 11:16:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Show us where Rev. Wright has racist views.

Any evidence at all.

A tape,a link or quote.

Take your time.

Yes,we`ve been through this many times, indeed.


I don't think Wright is a racist, just like I don't think Ron Paul is a racist.


Then why did you bring Wright up?Please answer that question.

FYI,I don`t think Paul Sr is racist but certainly ignorant to the civil rights struggle that`s STILL very much happening.His son....is a world class douche-bag.



Again,neither he nor his son or anyone else has been able to explain why/how they would do away or wouldn`t have had the CRA or other anti-racist laws.


Maybe you can explain this logic.

We all want to know.

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/2/2012 11:43:26 PM   
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Then why did you bring Wright up?Please answer that question.

FYI,I don`t think Paul Sr is racist but certainly ignorant to the civil rights struggle that`s STILL very much happening.His son....is a world class douche-bag.

Again,neither he nor his son or anyone else has been able to explain why/how they would do away or wouldn`t have had the CRA or other anti-racist laws.

Maybe you can explain this logic.

We all want to know.


Because all this Ron Paul racist nonsense is just based on ad hoceries. I brought up Wright so you can relate to the contradiction (it flies over, I know). Ron Paul on CRA: http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/civil-rights-act/

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/3/2012 2:06:33 AM   
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Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.


Uh huh. I got a bridge to sell ya.

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RE: Anonymous strikes again - 2/3/2012 7:31:36 AM   
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Well, I just need it explained how a conservo-anarchist-dooflus-convoluto or whatever the fuck he is; (the anarchist part especially) can be shoeboxed into some what  a fucking guy worship when he has sucked on the government tit for 20+ years, having not done a fucking thing of substance.

Or don't I understand the word anarchist, as it is delineated in every dictionary I have ever browsed?

Color me skeptical, and color all heretofore explications of Paul as being ulikely,  improbable, and/or impossible.

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