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So we need some modern day Romans, then. Worked the first time. Come to think of it, that's why we have the mess that exists today.

I do not think we can pin this one on the romans. The mess we have to day was caused by the britts and exacerbated by the u.s.

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That being said:
what is your response to his reasoning why israel should not exist where it presently exists?

I asked you to state the particular argument of his about that topic that you wish me to address, and whether you agree with it. I will respond when you do so.

You claim to be aware of all of his arguments. Please respond to his reasons why israel should not exists where it is.
My position in this matter is not relevent. That you wish to make it so is most instructive.

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So we need some modern day Romans, then. Worked the first time. Come to think of it, that's why we have the mess that exists today.

I do not think we can pin this one on the romans. The mess we have to day was caused by the britts and exacerbated by the u.s.

I agree with the second sentence, except that it might add to the accuracy to include BP and Shell and Std. Oil in that, as I suspect you are aware.

We can't blame the immediate mess on the Romans, but if Israel had remained there all along, we can't really say how things would have worked out.

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Your own views on the matter are percisely the point.

No they are not.
The point here is the op and your lack of understanding of what the president of iran has actually said.

We all express our views on here, and you ought to do the same rather than acting like you are an impartial questioner.

Do not presume to tell me what I ought to do or ought not to do.

I didn't say I was aware of all his arguments. I said that I had heard his views on Israel to a fairly substantial extent in interviews, and they offered nothing of substance.

Then you can quickly dismiss his arguments concerning the location of present day israel...which is what I have asked you to do for several pages now.

As I said again, I expect you to cite the particualar argument you wish me to address instead of expecting me to shadow box against a moving target of what you interpret his arguments to be.

No moving target. No shadow boxing.
His particular argument concerning where the state of israel exists today is contained in the 60 minutes interview you refuse to view but continue to disagree with.

In fact it is "most instructive" that you have repeatedly refused to state clearly what these arguments are whilst expecting me to jump through loops.

I do not expect you to jump through hoops.
I simply expect you to validate your assinine jejune assumptions or admit your overwhelming ignorance of the subject.

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Your own views on the matter are percisely the point.

No they are not.
The point here is the op and your lack of understanding of what the president of iran has actually said.

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We all express our views on here, and you ought to do the same rather than acting like you are an impartial questioner.

Do not presume to tell me what I ought to do or ought not to do.

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I didn't say I was aware of all his arguments. I said that I had heard his views on Israel to a fairly substantial extent in interviews, and they offered nothing of substance.

Then you can quickly dismiss his arguments concerning the location of present day israel...which is what I have asked you to do for several pages now.

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As I said again, I expect you to cite the particualar argument you wish me to address instead of expecting me to shadow box against a moving target of what you interpret his arguments to be.

No moving target. No shadow boxing.
His particular argument concerning where the state of israel exists today is contained in the 60 minutes interview you refuse to view but continue to disagree with.

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In fact it is "most instructive" that you have repeatedly refused to state clearly what these arguments are whilst expecting me to jump through loops.

I do not expect you to jump through hoops.
I simply expect you to validate your assinine jejune assumptions or admit your overwhelming ignorance of the subject.

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Well, I am going to state my views, and you can agree or disagree.

That is the nature of a discussion board.

1. If Ahmadinejad wants the Israelis to leave the area that was recognized as the state of Israel before the 1967 war, than I think he is an IDIOT.

As I have asked others...do you know what the man has actually said...that is pretty important if one is going to discuss his position.

I think anyone else who thinks it is easy to uproot that many people who have been living there that long is an IDIOT.

Not that it is a good or bad idea but that it has been done at other times and at other places is well documented...trail of tears and the odyssey of chief joseph and the nez perce come to mind.


Granted, the Romans did move a large portion of the Jewish people out, in what amounted to a holocaust. I don't think it would be right to do it again.
2. The Israelis are being idiots right now too. There will, eventually, be a two state solution. The US will not be a super power forever, and Israel may or may not have backing from future super-powers. In fact, they may tie themselves to us so strongly that some future super-power steps on them to show the world that we are no longer in charge. Given that, the best thing for the Israelis to do is to find peace with their neighbors now, not later. I realize that is really hard, I mean, look how the US reacted to one terrorist attack (invaded 2 nations). But Israel needs to decide between emotion and survival as a state.
3. The Palestinians need to learn from Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. Non-violent resistance would break the settler movement over a matter of a few years. Israel can't afford the PR problems with the US of being violent to a non-violent protest movement. They would lose all their support here on the Left, and much of their support even on the right. Especially if the Palestinians were smart enough to keep the men out of the way and have women and children lying on the roads to block the bulldozers. Heck, those Settlers have jobs, if women and children lie on the roads blocking the settlers from their jobs, eventually they will move back into Israel proper.



So Thompson, if you are trying to say that Ahmadinejad has stated a desire to move the Jews out of Israel, then I think he is an Idiot.


Why not go and find out what the man said yourself instead of trying to get into a pissing contest with me?


If you are expressing your opinion that the Jews should be moved out of Israel, I cannot express my opinion of you within the terms of service.


Let me try this one more time.
I am not expressing an opinion about anything,I am pointing out that what others are saying about what he said has been explained by the person who said it and has pointed out that he was misquoted.
What part of that implies that I agree with either side?

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If you want to discuss your opinion, or actually discuss what you think Ahmadinejad said or meant, I will listen.


That is not the op. If you would like to start a thread about that then do so.

But the next time you tell me or anyone to "listen to his own words," or otherwise attack other people's posts without expressing your position,


That is what this thread is about. If you do not like it that is not my problem.

I will click that nice little "ignore," button and never see anything you post again.

Your loss not mine.

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You most certainly do expect me to jump through hoops by expecting me to spend a considerable amount of time finding and viewing an interview, summing up his perspective with regard to Israel and then addressing it.

I have asked you to listen to his repudiation of your position.
Why do you resist something so simple?

All the time I have asked you to present what you wished me to address,

I wish you to address ahmadinajad's position of why the state of israel should not be where it is?

and I have repeatedly offered to address it.

We are up over one hundred post on this thread and you have yet to address it...were you planning on doing so sometime in the forseeable future?


You have no fucking right to demand anything from anybody on this forum when you don't do the most basic legwork yourself.

I have pointed out the source where you can disabuse yourself of your ignorance but you would rather get into some sort of pissing contest with me rather than deal with the op.

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I think that people need to be able to articulate the idea that the CURRENT GOVERNMENT and their policies are unworkable going forward, and that you need to start over with a truly secular, democratic nation in order to resolve the issues WITHOUT getting tagged as OMG HOLOCAUST!