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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/9/2012 5:50:29 PM   
Ohanasvib


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

Well , maybe that is a part he doesn't see, or isn't attracted to. I don't have an issue with that. I'm just trying to figure out if he is looking for a conversation or not.
He refers to sadists as "sickos who will beat you without care".


Honey, if you are going to quote my profile then please quote it accuratly and in context. below is what my profile says, does it say sadists are sickos ?

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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/9/2012 5:55:36 PM   
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wow!! that was a hell of a temper tantrum. Awesomesauce !!!

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ORIGINAL: Ohanasvib

Wow, Deep Breath hyper posters..... why so much bitterness?

Do you really need to prove the macho attitude on, of all things an internet message board? Is that where your happiness comes from, bullying yourself right because your opinion is stronger than anyone who dares to write something?

Kana, Who are you trying to sell on your ALL-MIGHTINESS? It may just me be me but your coming off like an adolescence in some prep school cafeteria with hormones and emotions getting the best of you. The real fact is If you are SOOOO happy and not BS-ing to assist in making your point then GREAT! Make your point without all the drama. Be happy and you will more than likely be looked up to for your heart felt opinion. (That is what your after to help that self esteem issue right?) But pack-ratting with back-benchers (daaa, yea... go tell em Kana...yuk,yuk yuk... LOL) and bullying only makes your case weak and in the best case make you personally look less than the real adult that we really belive you are and not just using your dad's username and password here.

Your Nubie comment is taken as a shot, but it falls short. You see you are a little misguided unless the only thing that counts is 2847 posts in 5 1/2 years on a frigging message board.

I'm not here to claim facts, flame or get involved in petty childish name calling. I gave an opinion. like it or not, it is what it is. My advice to you Kana, reread the original post, stealthy apply a bit here and there....don't worry you don't need to report back and God forbid lose your All-Mightiness, just keep it to your self, You never know, some of your anger may just take care of it's self with the prospect of a happier woman in your life. She is a woman right ?

Take it as a self improvement, That is if your greatness can be improved upon. We see it,,,, really we do.

All the best





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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/9/2012 5:55:57 PM   
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So does that mean you did want to have a conversation? I understand that you were just stating things from your point of view, but are you interested in the views of others?

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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/9/2012 6:00:50 PM   
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Oh... this is going to be good. 

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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/9/2012 6:10:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ohanasvib

Wow, Deep Breath hyper posters..... why so much bitterness?

Do you really need to prove the macho attitude on, of all things an internet message board? Is that where your happiness comes from, bullying yourself right because your opinion is stronger than anyone who dares to write something?

Kana, Who are you trying to sell on your ALL-MIGHTINESS? It may just me be me but your coming off like an adolescence in some prep school cafeteria with hormones and emotions getting the best of you. The real fact is If you are SOOOO happy and not BS-ing to assist in making your point then GREAT! Make your point without all the drama. Be happy and you will more than likely be looked up to for your heart felt opinion. (That is what your after to help that self esteem issue right?) But pack-ratting with back-benchers (daaa, yea... go tell em Kana...yuk,yuk yuk... LOL) and bullying only makes your case weak and in the best case make you personally look less than the real adult that we really belive you are and not just using your dad's username and password here.

Your Nubie comment is taken as a shot, but it falls short. You see you are a little misguided unless the only thing that counts is 2847 posts in 5 1/2 years on a frigging message board.

I'm not here to claim facts, flame or get involved in petty childish name calling. I gave an opinion. like it or not, it is what it is. My advice to you Kana, reread the original post, stealthy apply a bit here and there....don't worry you don't need to report back and God forbid lose your All-Mightiness, just keep it to your self, You never know, some of your anger may just take care of it's self with the prospect of a happier woman in your life. She is a woman right ?

Take it as a self improvement, That is if your greatness can be improved upon. We see it,,,, really we do.

All the best




hahahaha....roflmao..I can't stop laughing. I'm sorry but I'm his slave and this is about the funniest things I've read in quite awhile. Oh boy! Thanks for the great laugh.

From his soooo unhappy slave who just finished dinner with him while we discussed politics and life and laughed about super-crocs and megasharks.




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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/9/2012 6:13:28 PM   
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LOL - I'm sure I wasn't the only one biting my tongue to allow you to be the one to break the news.

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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/9/2012 6:17:34 PM   
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I've always said this place is great entertainment when I don't wanna study. hahahaha

I'll be sure to tell Master he should stop being angry while he has great fun biting my legs up and laughing his head off at my screams.

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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/9/2012 6:49:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ohanasvib

A slave's acceptance, (The pivot point)

It truly begins with a relationship filled with love, respect and TRUST, in time, it is the responsibility of the sub/slave to offer her self in service or as possession, I call this the pivotal point of the total power exchange.

accepting the slave and the responsibility for her also means fulfilling her emotional needs, this is not a small milestone.

Taking responsibility for her is to accept full responsibility for her heart and happiness.

Yes domination is a part, but it is equally balanced with important fulfillment of her needs.

My happiness as Master starts with my responsibility to her for both of us.


The title of your thread drew me in. I would love to see this topic explored in depth and I hope, with my post, to help the thread along in that regard.

I ditched the potato and just left what I read as the meat of your post. I hope you don't mind but the superfluous was disconnected and getting in the way of my response.

Okay - The first three words of your post, for me, set the tone for your subsequent words. It goes, specifically, to a point beyond the beginning and as it's a topic that we don't see that often, I just wanted to say thanks for starting this thread. (And welcome to the forums.)

It took me a very long time to discover then accept my truth and the state of being, emotionally and intellectually, in which I found myself. Love, trust and respect wouldn't matter as far as slavery and mastery goes if there wasn't some sort of internal trigger which generated my acceptance. Those elements you mentioned are, often, very important to a relationship and I have those things and am blessed by them. They nurture my humanity.. but not so much to the discovery of my inner self, the core that when I set about to dig deeply into who I really am, well, it made me realize that there are some consequences which come at too high a price. For me, the price of making a different choice, other than to be and live as a slave, is to be pretend to be someone else. It would be living a life which isn't truly mine.

I wouldn't say that I offer myself in service although I am very service oriented by nature nor would I state that I offer myself as a possession. It's the word 'offer' that I have a problem with I think. I have come to discover that while I can be possessed (shup in the peanut gallery!) I can't offer myself as a possession. When my belief is that a slave possesses nothing, then I have nothing to offer. I can't give anything to anyone. I don't have it to give. I don't own it, I don't have control over it because in the presence of power, I crumble - well, the slave part does. I'm a sucker for that energy, addicted, enamored. That's why the consequence is too high a price to pay. If I choose not to be a slave, if I choose to wear a mask, live someone else's life and I can't feed my addiction and I have no doubt that I am addicted to power. It's my drug, my vice and, ultimately, my virtue. I know that sounds odd! lol

I can meet my own needs. I can gain love, trust, respect .. those are easy. Be a good person and there will be people who love you for it, respect you for it and learn to trust you for it.

I can work and feed myself, clothe myself, put a roof over my head.. all those things that are material and necessary to survival and all of which can promote my ability to thrive in almost all the aspects of my life. My happiness is my responsibility and I would not burden someone with it nor would I put myself in a position in which I couldn't gain my own happiness because what am I to do if the source of my happiness is suddenly taken from me?

The things of humanity are easy and I can get them all as I require.

It's the things of inhumanity where I need my counter-part. I don't want his humanity either.. not for this, not for my slavery, not for that part of the foundation otherwise, well, there's the lie. The falsehood. The price too high to pay.

Slave - just one facet of my whole, but so important and so much a part of me that without it, I am less even though embracing it makes me less still. The slavery part.. It's like having an empty cup. I can fill it will water and quench my thrist or Himself can fill it with wine and we can get drunk together on the energy we create and we can be animals and mindless. We can bleed each other, claw each other, satisfy each other and both serve that very base of ourselves. The emotional side of my slavery, I would assume, would match the emotional side of his Mastery of me.. not in those things which, feed the mostly human parts.. but for those that go to the inhumane.. the parts that would remain empty.

In order not to be less, I had to address the least of 'me' and the least of me is, without a doubt, the slave.

I didn't want to be empty and by facing it directly I gained hope; hope to accept it and, eventually, to embrace it as the part of me that proves to myself I am human. That is, in large part, just perspective and based on my own life and my own experiences. I believe I have been mostly (albeit not completely.. there are days for all of us, ain't there!) succcessful with it and am grateful for the men and women in my life who have helped me along the way but especially to those men who had that ability to tap into the inside. Some means were better than others, some more healthy, some less so. All of them contributed though, Himself most of all.

Fuck, I'm crying. I hate that. It's not from being sad or anything. It's just .. hell, I don't know what it is. Maybe it's menopause.

Anyway..

I wrote this when I was 16 years old:

Nothing, nothing, nobody..
No one, no where..
Guess that's me.

That 16 year old is always going to be a part of who I am. The 51 year old woman I am today realizes how small that little girl really is, how small that part plays in my real life and in my day to day living as a full woman.

Still, though.. to deny her? I can't. I won't, so there she is, under there, at the core along with all the things which are beautiful about me.. like the time I was about 30, laying out on the grass watching the meteor shower with my only son. That was glorious and I love the woman I was that day just kicking back with her son enjoying the show nature put on for us. I don't want any piece of me to be an orphan so I will continue to embrace and nurture all the parts of me that I know and, hopefully, continue to discover new facets along the way that help me to grow as a person, a woman and a slave.

With love, respect and trust.. I can be the woman you dreamed of.. but combine that with feeding the least part of me, with power, lust and energy.. feed the least, feed what was the lost and you will find the woman I am, even if it's not the woman you dream of..

In the end, what you describe in your OP, to me, is the emotional side of being a loving and caring man and, even then, only applies as any individual would deem as people will take and discard the parts which don't suit their particular dynamic. The emotional side of Mastery, well, Himself's mastery is a much different thing and, based on my experience, has just the right amount of the inhumanity that meshes with my own and fills us both.







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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/9/2012 8:39:11 PM   
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Kana, Who are you trying to sell on your ALL-MIGHTINESS? It may just me be me but your coming off like an adolescence in some prep school cafeteria with hormones and emotions getting the best of you. The real fact is If you are SOOOO happy and not BS-ing to assist in making your point then GREAT! Make your point without all the drama. Be happy and you will more than likely be looked up to for your heart felt opinion. (That is what your after to help that self esteem issue right?) But pack-ratting with back-benchers (daaa, yea... go tell em Kana...yuk,yuk yuk... LOL) and bullying only makes your case weak and in the best case make you personally look less than the real adult that we really belive you are and not just using your dad's username and password here.


Dude, I just defended your post, and now you're gonna start hurling childish insults at people and diminish whatever credibility you had? BTW, Kana's "drama" is just his unique writer's voice, and it actually has a purpose: to convey his points in an interesting and blunt manner. Furthermore, you are on the internet. Expect to get abused. We're all really just sock puppets hidden behind avatars, what reason do we have to be polite to you? We don't even know you. So chill out. Being insulted is half the fun, especially if those who insult you can do it well. :)

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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/10/2012 12:04:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ohanasvib

A slave's acceptance, (The pivot point)

It truly begins with a relationship filled with love, respect and TRUST, in time, it is the responsibility of the sub/slave to offer her self in service or as possession, I call this the pivotal point of the total power exchange.

accepting the slave and the responsibility for her also means fulfilling her emotional needs, this is not a small milestone.

Taking responsibility for her is to accept full responsibility for her heart and happiness.

Yes domination is a part, but it is equally balanced with important fulfillment of her needs.

My happiness as Master starts with my responsibility to her for both of us.



I love your post, Bita. I love everything about it.

Taking the points that you've pulled from the original post....

(Just mentioning - I don't call myself a slave. I do seem to fit some people's definition of slave more than submissive, but the way that I define slave, it doesn't apply to me. So, this is my humble submissive point of view. :)

I like the term "pivot point" because it makes me think of consciously turning toward someone to face them - to expose oneself straight on in a gesture of giving oneself.

Respect, trust and love: I respect automatically. I respect everyone until they give me reason not to and if I am entering a relationship with a man, I don't go into it feeling like they have to earn that. Trust, though...I don't like the term "earned" there, either, because it almost sounds like it's their fault or responsibility when it's not. It's just both of us allowing us the time to get to know one another. Now, for me, the whole relationship cannot exist without love, but I don't believe that love can come at the start of it, nor do I believe it has to. I think the possibility of love needs to be there, but I do feel that I could give myself to someone without having reached that point. I used to not think that, but having met a man or two that has stricken that certain chord in me so strongly, yes...yes I can see that.

I do believe that I would have a responsibility to fill his emotional needs just as much as he would fill mine. But again, that would be the type of relationship that I would want.

Perhaps it's through my own life experiences that I have come to believe that only I can accept full responsibility for my heart and happiness. I don't believe I could put that on any one person. I would feel like I was giving up a piece of what's important to my soul if I were to allow someone to completely steer me in that way. Even more, I feel like it's my responsibility (as in, our reason for being) to explore my own happiness and follow that path and grow and I think I would be missing out on much of my own self if I allowed someone else to take on that responsibility. Perhaps, though, therein lies the difference between slave and submissive? (Another thread, another thread.)

I do agree that I have other needs to be met other than those that can be met through domination, just as he would have other needs to be met than those that are met through my submission. I believe that it's my responsibility to be clear about those needs up front. And in fact, I start to talk about all of that right in my profile, so there is no misunderstanding with any dominants that I meet that I am looking for the full relationship, not a contract type of thing, or a power exchange without emotional vulnerability.

And I would hope that first, before anything else, he would be in the dominant position because it fulfills him just as much as my place in the relationship fulfills me.

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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/10/2012 12:18:41 AM   
Kana


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ohanasvib

Wow, Deep Breath hyper posters..... why so much bitterness?

Do you really need to prove the macho attitude on, of all things an internet message board? Is that where your happiness comes from, bullying yourself right because your opinion is stronger than anyone who dares to write something?

Kana, Who are you trying to sell on your ALL-MIGHTINESS? It may just me be me but your coming off like an adolescence in some prep school cafeteria with hormones and emotions getting the best of you. The real fact is If you are SOOOO happy and not BS-ing to assist in making your point then GREAT! Make your point without all the drama. Be happy and you will more than likely be looked up to for your heart felt opinion. (That is what your after to help that self esteem issue right?) But pack-ratting with back-benchers (daaa, yea... go tell em Kana...yuk,yuk yuk... LOL) and bullying only makes your case weak and in the best case make you personally look less than the real adult that we really belive you are and not just using your dad's username and password here.

Your Nubie comment is taken as a shot, but it falls short. You see you are a little misguided unless the only thing that counts is 2847 posts in 5 1/2 years on a frigging message board.

I'm not here to claim facts, flame or get involved in petty childish name calling. I gave an opinion. like it or not, it is what it is. My advice to you Kana, reread the original post, stealthy apply a bit here and there....don't worry you don't need to report back and God forbid lose your All-Mightiness, just keep it to your self, You never know, some of your anger may just take care of it's self with the prospect of a happier woman in your life. She is a woman right ?

Take it as a self improvement, That is if your greatness can be improved upon. We see it,,,, really we do.

All the best




And here I was going for snide mockery laced with a condescending tone. :-)
Instead my greatness is recognized at long last. I feel like Archimedes running through the streets of Syracuse screaming, "Eureka."


Hokay Spanky, here we go:
1-I really wasn't talking to you. Look back and you'll note that the only comment I made re your post was pretty polite and straightforward.

2-So why poke at the other cat? Because I don't care much for sock puppets (Cuz I have some difficulty believing that person has been lurking for ages, just waiting for your post so they could break their cherry and agree with you), especially sock puppets that are, ahem...how to put this in a nice not to offend the modifiers sorta way...the type who lurk under bridges and charge passer-bys gold.
Plus I don't really care much for people who make vast assumptions and sweeping statements, especially those that smack a bit of One Twue Wayism. It's more than a bit insulting for some stranger to show up on a board and start shoving opinions (note that key word again) down folks throat, opinions that we have been dealing with here for years. Not to mention that going into a strange place and telling the existing denizens (nice word for us forum folk-ain't it though?) that what they are doing is wrong smacks of arrogant self-centeredness.

3-I strongly suggest you re-read my comments. They were pretty subdued. In fact, I went out of my way to take the high road in most cases-look close-I point out how to debate a topic, share some experience and such..and it gets labeled "internet bullying?"
Cripes-teach me to try and be nice.
Wanna know something son-the net is a free place. Anyone, even you can post pretty much any sort of idiocy...and that's awesome. I love that. Course, the flip side is that anyone else is entitled to ask you to back up your comments, give some facts behind em-you know, give em validity. And if ya can't do so, they are entitled to call you out on it.
So this ain't a place for the weak. Wanna talk-fine, let's talk. But don't sling crap down my throat and expect me to swallow quietly cuz that ain't gonna happen.

4-As for my all-mightyness, I think that's pretty much rebutted by my comment that "I always find it amusing that anyone into kinky sex and BDSM would ever judge anothers sexual acts. I mean seriously folks, we are talking diaper wearing adults infatuated with leather, latex, piss, scat, whipping, beating, tickling, pet play, crawl like a dog people and they are gonna get on a pedestal and judge folks? Oooooooooo-Kaaaaaay."

5-The newbie comment wasn't a shot at all-if you think it was, that's kinda sad. It was pointing out that I am speaking from a position of twenty plus years experience in BDSM while they are espousing opinions. That's all...and it's an important point because opinions can be lethal. Some of the games we play can be deadly dangerous.

6-For a cat who's not trying to flame, you make some pretty petty and misguided comments re me, who I am, what I am, whether I am real or not (See folks-it was a phantasm you met at the Crucible and BESS), my relationships and my slave. You know, because the ad hominem is always the first resort of the unimaginative.
Just saying.


7-Want my opinion? Cool. Here it goes...again. It is my collective experience that there is no right or wrong way for a BDSM relationship to work, that each relationship develops it's own dynamics based on interactions between the participants, interactions driven by the personalities involved, the way the pair meshes, the moods they are in, past experiences, fetishes, reactions, the trust levels that develop, hell, how the pheromones are flying. So when someone comes along and suggests that they have the right way and that the way others are doing it is wrong-well, I think that's a load of Kaka.

Note-oh not bitter one, how one of us is being close-minded here, seeing things from their perspective and showing an intolerance for the experience of others and their own right of self determination-I'll give you a hint-it ain't me.

Whistles happily as he walks off on the high road, straightening his halo as he goes, wondering "What self esteem issue? How come I'm always the last one to find out these things..."


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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/10/2012 5:21:56 AM   
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I offer a girl consistency and control. The emotional stuff comes after.


Love or romance come and go. A stable working relationship can hold over the long haul.

I call it "structure." Laying out what is expected in a clear fashion, issuing instructions similarly, consistently applied corrections for bad behavior when needed.

Some people like to keep their subs anxious and unsure. I guess it works for them, but it's too much emotional drama for me.

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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/10/2012 7:25:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kaliko


I love your post, Bita. I love everything about it.

Taking the points that you've pulled from the original post....

(Just mentioning - I don't call myself a slave. I do seem to fit some people's definition of slave more than submissive, but the way that I define slave, it doesn't apply to me. So, this is my humble submissive point of view. :)
I fit most people's definition of slave, but dislike the term because what real slavery actually is. Our relationship is a wonderful thing and I don't want to describe it with something that to me is negative.



quote:

Respect, trust and love: I respect automatically. I respect everyone until they give me reason not to and if I am entering a relationship with a man, I don't go into it feeling like they have to earn that. Trust, though...I don't like the term "earned" there, either, because it almost sounds like it's their fault or responsibility when it's not. It's just both of us allowing us the time to get to know one another. Now, for me, the whole relationship cannot exist without love, but I don't believe that love can come at the start of it, nor do I believe it has to. I think the possibility of love needs to be there, but I do feel that I could give myself to someone without having reached that point.
I give common courtesy automatically, but for me respect is something that, like trust, grows over time. I agree with your views on love, but it goes beyond that. I also need to actually LIKE that person as well. I can't do this without love and I've been amazingly blessed to have the relationship that we have. I do have friends, however, that want a pure service relationship with no emotional ties.


quote:

Perhaps it's through my own life experiences that I have come to believe that only I can accept full responsibility for my heart and happiness. I don't believe I could put that on any one person.
I absolutely believe this. If we want to be happy we need to to know ourselves and our needs. It goes right back to what I said about the OP, if a submissive doesn't believe that their needs deserve to be met, there's really not much anyone can do to help them.

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I do agree that I have other needs to be met other than those that can be met through domination, just as he would have other needs to be met than those that are met through my submission. I believe that it's my responsibility to be clear about those needs up front.
This is very true. I have always told people that I'm submissive, but it is not the entirety of who I am. The same is true of our relationship: the dynamic is based on D/s, but the entire relationship is not made up of D/s.



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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/10/2012 8:13:22 AM   
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Another excellent thread. Kudos to those that contributed such interesting thoughts. I don't want to name names as I might forget a few. Unfortunately the OP and it's sock isn't high on the list.

Bita I am so glad you've begun posting on the forums again.


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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/10/2012 8:25:12 AM   
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~ Fast Reply ~

Thank you to those who have made this an interesting conversation for those interested in one.

My thoughts:

Loved the concept of "pivot point," too, for the reasons Kaliko stated.

"Love, Respect and Trust" - The first few months of our relationship, it was still just forming.  In fact, it really wasn't a "relationship" in either of our eyes.  We both knew and agreed that we wanted to explore building a relationship together, and we did that because our initial conversations brought us to have a general liking of each other, and a respect for the person we were getting to know.

Love and Trust grew, and Respect deepened, over time.  I'm also not a fan of the concept of earning these things.  To me it says the person wasn't worthy of it to begin with and had some barrier or handicap to overcome from the start.  In my mind, we simply spent a lot of time together and got to know each other.  In short, he showed me who he was.  I showed him who I was.  It was up to me to decide if that's what I wanted in my life, and if I would choose to trust him and choose to trust him.  You see for me it was a choice.  It was up to me to observe him and listen to him and decide if following his path was where I wanted to go.  And I had to trust and love and respect myself first, before even considering giving that to another.  It was up to me, not him, which is why he had nothing to earn - the choices were in my lap.  He only had to be himself.  I only had to be myself.  Either we fit together or we didn't.

Responsibility for Happiness:  I learned over the years that my happiness is up to me.  My happiness stems from my perspective about life - the way I choose to look at things, and what I put out there in the Universe (positive or negative).  It stems from the things I wish for, and how I choose to look at and respond to adversity.  I have, over time, completely changed my perspective and as a result have found happiness within.  Now, the Mister supports that happiness and supports my perspective.  If he didn't, I would not have embarked on this relationship with him.  He encourages my happiness, and he brings me a level of joy I've never experienced before.  But I was a fulfilled and happy person when I met him, from the start, and while he has certainly added to that, he didn't create that.

His own happiness:  I wanted to comment on this quote from the OP, "My happiness as Master starts with my responsibility to her for both of us." I can't disagree with it because it's where he finds his happiness and who am I to argue that.  But I believe my Mister's happiness as a master begins with his happiness as a man, and that happiness comes from the same place my own does - within, life perspective, and everything else I named above.  His mastery over me can indeed bring him added joy, and fulfill a desire within him  that would otherwise go unfulfilled, but his happiness comes before his mastery, in my view.

Fulfillment of Needs:  I think just being who we are together fulfills each others relationship needs.  By "relationship needs" I mean that XYZ needs to be an element of the relationship in order for the relationship to be fulfilling.  And I don't mean this to be some sort of checklist/laundry list that the other person needs to meet. If we weren't so symbiotic from the start, we would not have come together as we have, so those basic relationship needs were met from the start.  Over time we've had to work through things like how we deal with being angry at each other, etc., but those are relatively minor.  For me, relationship needs is more of an emotional fulfillment that, if gone unmet, would wither away until we were no longer happy together. 

For some, that's love, and that love is going to look different to people based on their own view of love.  Sometimes those expressions of love or respect may not look like love or respect to those on the outside looking in, because it's not how they see love and/or respect.  I have been in a position, in the past, however, of being completely emotionally abandoned, and of being absolutely starved within a relationship.  So I see what the OP is saying, about fulfilling emotional needs.  In the past, that emotional starvation created a depression in me that was really difficult to deal with.  But that's because I made him the platform for my happiness.  Since now my happiness comes from a place that can't be removed by another person, should emotional abandonment occur in my life again, my response to it would be much different.  And this is because he is NOT responsible for my overall happiness and outlook on life - I am.


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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/10/2012 9:31:47 AM   
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Bita, I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to write such a wonderful post. It really touched me, in fact I have read it three times and tonight when my husband gets home I know he will enjoy reading it too.
I get sick of seeing the constant bickering on here but when I see posts like yours I know its worth hanging around.

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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/10/2012 9:42:44 AM   
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I'm just floating in to read Bita's post, and all I have to say is -- fantabulous.

I think that'll be what I think about today. =) Many thanks, Bita. ^_^

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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/10/2012 10:04:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HisPet21

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There is a portion of the community that believes love is not necessary or shouldn't even exist in that type of relationship. Never at any point did I say that these people weren't getting their needs met. I merely pointed out that his view of what those needs are don't apply universally.

You can't throw a formula out there and expect every relationship to fit into it.


I agree with you. The whole "love thy sub" proclamation was a little strong, but the gist of his post was that those who do not consider the needs of those they are responsible for are *ssholes. I completely agree. I know, I know...we all have an overwhelming urge to haze new posters we aren't familiar with at the slightest indication that they "have opinions we don't like" or, god forbid, are "closed-minded"? *Gasp* The horror!!!!!!!!

The OP over stepped in some ways, but also had some very good points to make. Let's not all jump him at once, or I won't get my kick in.

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I am talking with the idea that we are discussing sane rational adults (Points at his post-notes where he says his slut is such a creature)who make decisions, like most people, based on what fills their needs in the best possible way.


My point exactly. You're assuming that the OP's audience is those who address the needs of their subs. I didn't get that impression at all.The OP seemed to be bashing those who completely neglect their sub's needs and/or think that subs shouldn't have need. Come on. You know as well as I do that the vast majority of profiles on here are written by "idjit's." Give the OP a break.


Oh man cut the BS. If the submissive's needs are not being met they can always leave. While some of the OP post is valid, he is stating the obvious. Like no shit Sherlock in order for a relationship to work I need to take into account the other person. DUH

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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/10/2012 7:07:25 PM   
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Oh man cut the BS. If the submissive's needs are not being met they can always leave. While some of the OP post is valid, he is stating the obvious. Like no shit Sherlock in order for a relationship to work I need to take into account the other person. DUH


I agree. He is stating the obvious.

P.S. Beautiful post, Bita!

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RE: The emotional side of Mastership - 2/10/2012 7:49:22 PM   
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So basically, the op came here and made a post about common sense shit, and for some reason, the thread went three pages long? is that an apt summary? Gonna grab some popcorn and watch the fireworks now.

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