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popeye1250 -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/11/2012 9:46:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Thompson, there is no-one of my party in the congress.

You have self identified as an independent and now you are telling me there are no independents in congress...perhaps you should go look again.

And the Lincoln, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Bush, Reagan, Eisenhower are named after presidents. Not *all* Carriers are named after presidents, i.e. Saratoga, Enterprise. If that confused you I appologise.

I was not confused I was pointing out that you were mistaken in your statement that carrieres are named for presidents.
Now you know.

And again, what if Giffords was hit by a car?
Stennis and Vinson didn't get ships named after them because they were hit by cars, shot or stabbed by leftie maniacs did they?

They were also not in the military which you said was a requirement.
Now you know

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And no, I didn't say, "silver star or purple heart, did i? Nice try.

No, I said that kerry qualified by your criteria. In the military and decorated hero.
Now you know.

***And, the Marines are "not part of the Navy and never have been?????"***
Does not compute Dr. Smith.

That is because you are ignorant of the facts.
Now you know.

I have nothing but the highest regard for Congresswoman Giffords but getting shot like that isn't even on the same plane as someone who's been shot in combat.

Since you have never been shot at let alone hit so you have no clue.
Given your choice of fmj or the hp she got tagged with which would you choose?

Have a nice day Twisty.

So nice of you to give me a nick name after all these years...I guess I could return the favor...how bout from now on I refer to you as punk ass motherfucker...do you really want to go there?




In my best "Church Lady" voice; "Well, well, well, Thompson,....isn't that s-p-e-c-i-a-l?"

(looks like Thompson got a "bad ice cube." Again.)



slvemike4u -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/11/2012 10:06:58 PM)

Yeppers Pops,that what it looked like to the rest of us too [:)]



slvemike4u -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/11/2012 10:11:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Dylan Smith
TucsonSentinel.com
U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, still recovering from a shot through the brain, was informally awarded another Purple Heart on Wednesday.

Army veteran Al Lee said that Giffords deserves the honor.

"She was injured in the line of duty," he said.

"I wanted her to have it because of her strong support of veterans and her ability to always recognize a military servicemember such as myself," Lee said.

Lee, who was awarded the medal after being wounded in Fallujah, Iraq, in Sept. 2003, presented his Purple Heart challenge coin to Pam Simon, Giffords' community outreach director, on Wednesday.

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/031611_purple_heart_giffords/another-purple-heart-gabby/

WASHINGTON (AP) — This is true: Gabe Zimmerman, community outreach director for Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, was shot to death while working as a congressional aide.
This is true, too: He was not the first Capitol Hill staffer killed in the line of duty.


Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Tribute-worded-to-give-aide-first-honor-2433016.php#ixzz1m8xMR6L3

I just wanted to point out that not every member of the service thinks as popeye does.

Thank you tazzy ,pops was starting to reach me there for a moment(lol)...but it's all good now.
Some guys just sort of disqualify themselves with the body of their work,don't they ?
Goodnight tazzy....as a matter of fact goodnight to all of you folks [:)]



tazzygirl -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/11/2012 10:13:14 PM)

name calling.. after what Firm said about you... tsk tsk...

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In my mind, this exempts him from the "respect" rule.

He never takes offense either, and I don't remember him actually personally insulting another poster.


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4011964

Another fallacy biting the dust.



Aylee -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 2:35:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


The marines are not part of the navy and never have been.



They get their paychecks from the Navy.


No they do not.
They get their paycheck from the department of the navy.


Yes, yes, they do.

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They are referred to as Navel Infantry.
Navel infantry are infantry launched from ships and not part of the navy.
They are a component of the US Department of the Navy.

Yes. They are called Marines.

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The navy department is a component of the department of the navy.
Yes there is a difference between the navy department and the department of the navy. If you are unaware of what that difference is then perhaps you should disabuse yourself of your ignorance.


Roll call: Secretary of the Army, Secretary of the Air Force, Secretary of the Navy. . . yep! We are all here. "Where is the marines? Oh, they are with the Navy. OK then."

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Yes, they are part of the US Navy and always have been.

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b]The navy was created by the constitution in 1789. The marine corps was created by an act of congress in 1798.


Have you let them know this? The Marines seem to think that they got formed in 1775.

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The navy's head guy (chief of naval operations)reports to sec nav who is a civilian.
Tha marines head guy reports to the president and may or may not inform sec nav of any meetings with the president.

The Commandant of the Marine Corps reports directly to the United States Secretary of the Navy.

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The commandant of the marine corps does not report to the chief of naval operations which the navy does


No, he reports to the Secretary of the Navy.

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No,young lady, the marine corps is not part of the navy.



Have you told the Marines yet? Because they really need to take that off of their sigil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USMC_logo.svg




GreedyTop -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 2:45:20 AM)

~FR~

I just asked a Marine. He said that yes, the USMC is INDEED part of the USN.



Politesub53 -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 3:55:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

So you took that as some sort of compliment Pops....you are priceless,simply priceless [:)]



Saved me a post.



GreedyTop -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 7:28:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

~FR~

I just asked a Marine. He said that yes, the USMC is INDEED part of the USN.



to expand on this:

he said the USMC is the war machine of the Navy. WHile the USMC does have the essentials for the field (i.e. medics, etc), essentially all their non-combatant support is from the Navy (i.e. mechanics/hospitals/etc etc).

So, the Navy has two overall functions, it sounds like: not only doing their OWN Naval thing, but acting as sea/land based support for the USMC.



tazzygirl -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 7:45:25 AM)

Ahem

In the civilian leadership structure of the United States military, the Marine Corps is a component of the United States Department of the Navy, often working closely with U.S. naval forces for training, transportation, and logistic purposes; however, in the military leadership structure the Marine Corps is a separate branch.



TheHeretic -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 8:10:41 AM)

Shall we say the relationship is that of a red-headed stepchild?



GreedyTop -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 8:45:36 AM)

edited again.

no, I hadn't misread.

Tazzy, apparently that is not common knowledge among the rank and file of the USMC.

I guess I can kind understand the misunderstanding, since the Marines I have dealt with in my job use either official gov't travel cards or Navy Federal cards.



tazzygirl -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 9:17:32 AM)

United States Marine Corps

In 1834, the Marines came under the Department of the Navy. Historically, the United States Navy has had a unique relationship with the United States Marine Corps (USMC), partly because they both specialize in seaborne operations. Together the Navy and Marine Corps form the Department of the Navy and report to the Secretary of the Navy. However, the USMC is considered to be a distinct, separate service branch with its own uniformed service chief - the Commandant of the Marine Corps (CMC), a four star general.

The Navy and Marine Corps have a distinct relationship, the USMC depends on the Navy for religious support (i.e. chaplains) and medical support (i.e., dentists, medical doctors, medics known as "Corpsmen" and medical service staff); thus officers and enlisted sailors from the Navy fulfill these roles. When attached to Marine Corps units deployed to an operational environment they generally wear Marine camouflage uniforms, but otherwise they wear Navy dress uniforms unless they opt to conform to USMC grooming standards (appearance).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy#United_States_Marine_Corps

I see the Marines as being both... independent yet reliant upon others for the services they do not provide themselves (medical, religious, ect)



DomKen -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 9:46:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

~FR~

I just asked a Marine. He said that yes, the USMC is INDEED part of the USN.



to expand on this:

he said the USMC is the war machine of the Navy. WHile the USMC does have the essentials for the field (i.e. medics, etc), essentially all their non-combatant support is from the Navy (i.e. mechanics/hospitals/etc etc).

So, the Navy has two overall functions, it sounds like: not only doing their OWN Naval thing, but acting as sea/land based support for the USMC.

Actually the USMC doesn't provide it's own medics. The US Navy provides Hospital Corpsmen that serve as Marines field medics.



slvemike4u -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 10:04:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

~FR~

I just asked a Marine. He said that yes, the USMC is INDEED part of the USN.



to expand on this:

he said the USMC is the war machine of the Navy. WHile the USMC does have the essentials for the field (i.e. medics, etc), essentially all their non-combatant support is from the Navy (i.e. mechanics/hospitals/etc etc).

So, the Navy has two overall functions, it sounds like: not only doing their OWN Naval thing, but acting as sea/land based support for the USMC.

Greedy,please see an earlier post of mine to get a feel for how the Marines"traditionally" feel about the "service and support" the Navy supplies to the Green Machine....lol.It is a honest to god true story and an historical black mark for the U.S. Navy.[:)]



GreedyTop -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 10:19:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

~FR~

I just asked a Marine. He said that yes, the USMC is INDEED part of the USN.



to expand on this:

he said the USMC is the war machine of the Navy. WHile the USMC does have the essentials for the field (i.e. medics, etc), essentially all their non-combatant support is from the Navy (i.e. mechanics/hospitals/etc etc).

So, the Navy has two overall functions, it sounds like: not only doing their OWN Naval thing, but acting as sea/land based support for the USMC.

Actually the USMC doesn't provide it's own medics. The US Navy provides Hospital Corpsmen that serve as Marines field medics.



Thanks, Ken.. he was expounding on that bit while I had to take a phone call (damned people! calling while I was trying to have a convo!!)

Mike.. I gotta go (please god and the sandman) try to nap shortly,,, will try and remember to look it up (please, cmail me with a reminder?? *hug*)



Fightdirecto -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 11:41:12 AM)

I can't get over the feeling that many of those who are objecting to the naming of the ship after Giffords regret, in the blackness of their partisan political hearts, that she survived the assassination attempt. After all, she was (and still is) a liberal Democrat and the only correct punishment (in their heart-of-hearts) for the "treason" of being a liberal Democrat should be death.



slvemike4u -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 12:07:40 PM)

I can't,and won't,in my head nor my heart go that far FD....nah,these are after all my fellow citizens [8|].



thompsonx -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 12:14:18 PM)

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Roll call: Secretary of the Army, Secretary of the Air Force, Secretary of the Navy. . . yep! We are all here. "Where is the marines? Oh, they are with the Navy. OK then."



Roll call joint chiefs of staff...army,navy,airforce,coast guard, marine corps. If the marine corps was part of the navy why would the marines be on the joint chiefs?

Have you let them know this? The Marines seem to think that they got formed in 1775.

That would be the continental marines who were disbanded in 1783. No commandant of the marine corps and no marine corps from 1783 to 1798 when congress authorizes a batallion of marines for president adams.

The Commandant of the Marine Corps reports directly to the United States Secretary of the Navy.
sec nav is a civilian not a sailor.

Have you told the Marines yet? Because they really need to take that off of their sigil.

The department of the navy is not the same as the navy department. The navy (ships and sailors) are the navy deprtment. The navy department and the marine corps are co-equal branches of the department of the navy. The navy department was created by the constitution and can be disbanded only by a constitutional ammendment. The marine corps was created by an act of congress and can be disbanded by an act of congress.
The president must ask congress for permission to use the navy or the army or the airforce. The president only has to ask the commandant of the marine corps for permission to use the marine corps. The commandant of the marine corps is appointed by the president.




thompsonx -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 12:23:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

~FR~

I just asked a Marine. He said that yes, the USMC is INDEED part of the USN.



to expand on this:

he said the USMC is the war machine of the Navy. WHile the USMC does have the essentials for the field (i.e. medics, etc), essentially all their non-combatant support is from the Navy (i.e. mechanics/hospitals/etc etc).

So, the Navy has two overall functions, it sounds like: not only doing their OWN Naval thing, but acting as sea/land based support for the USMC.


If your friend is actually in the marines he is misinformed.



thompsonx -> RE: Giffords honored by Navy,names ship after her (2/12/2012 12:25:04 PM)

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(looks like Thompson got a "bad ice cube." Again.)


As if?



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