tazzygirl
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"Test the politicians, test the politicians." The harping on that is just a cheap distraction, Tazzy. The preferred drug in the halls of power is, ... wait for it ... Power. That addiction doesn't even show in the hair follicle.
And the harping on the poor as being lazy and uneducated is just as ridiculous. But please do explain how we end up with politicians busted for drug use time and again if the addiction among those lofty halls is only "power".
Can you honestly say that people on welfare dont desire power? They dont desire a better life? I cannot tell you how many welfare recipients have worked to get off that lofty program to enter fields such as medicine, criminal justice and legal... many fields that early detection of drug use.. long before completion of that program.
So, yes, many are already drug tested before returning to work. I had to have a yearly for the nursing program, then one on hire, then subject to one for cause. The idea that people need to be drug tested while on welfare to get used to that for the work arena is bunk.
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If you believe that all welfare should be is a poverty maintenance program, then by all means, fight for the rights of the dependency sub-culture to just be left alone to wallow in it.
If you believe 60 months is a "maintenance program" you are I have a definite difference in that terminology. And, in opposition to the cry that they can continue having children to stay on it has already been debunked.
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If you believe that these programs should actually help people better themselves, and provide the boots that are essential to pulling yourself up by the bootstraps, then I want you to justify deliberately leaving a common workplace reality out of the job training syllabus.
Given. Most people do not stay on welfare, most people do not avoid drug testing. As far as those bootstraps, I know, personally, of many who have utilized that program just for that. Welfare doesnt help them financially, except to replace what would have been made to cover expenses. And I can tell you I would rather pay a woman with children for a couple of years to better herself, and her family, through an education.
For example...
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The results of that change are not yet known. But before the 1996 welfare reform law, a peak of 28,000 welfare recipients attended CUNY. After the 1996 law with its stringent work requirements, only 5,000 attended.
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College educated people earn more money than those who have not gone to college. "Half of women in the U.S. with a high school education who work earn less than $15,000 a year, but half of college-educated women earn at least $31,000 a year," said Bill Spriggs of the National Urban League who spoke at the conference.
Women cannot work their way out of poverty, but they can educate themselves out of poverty. By denying people the chance to attend college, said Spriggs, "We are ignoring a whole group of women who are capable of college education, the best way out of welfare."
http://gothamgazette.com/article/fea/20030210/202/278
If I had tested positive for drug use while in nursing, the state would have been notified, who would have notified the AFDC program, who would have had me tested again. That is how NC welfare worked at the time. That I would have no problem with. Its "for cause" the cause being I tested positive. Not because I was getting a check.
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