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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/13/2012 10:48:55 AM

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yeah. it's SO much more tragic when a "star' dies than when the only child of a nobody dies.
oh wait. sorry. it only APPEARS to be more tragic because the star that chose to do a public meltdown/drugs/rehab etc gets all the press.

yeah yeah.. whit had a good voice.

blah blah,

I wouldn't be so negative if I saw even a fraction of this much "so sad" kinda postings applied to the kid that died at 16 from a heroin OD, and the only folks who would notice it were the family and the cops.

yeah, I'm being a bitch. deal.

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/13/2012 12:02:56 PM

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yeah. it's SO much more tragic when a "star' dies than when the only child of a nobody dies.
oh wait. sorry. it only APPEARS to be more tragic because the star that chose to do a public meltdown/drugs/rehab etc gets all the press.

yeah yeah.. whit had a good voice.

blah blah,

I wouldn't be so negative if I saw even a fraction of this much "so sad" kinda postings applied to the kid that died at 16 from a heroin OD, and the only folks who would notice it were the family and the cops.

yeah, I'm being a bitch. deal.

I think people who lived their lives in the public eye will naturally get more attention when they die - just like someone who had more friends during their lifetime is likely to get more friends attending their funeral than someone who had few friends or a very small family. This doesn't make the death any less or more tragic, but it does make it very public when a public figure dies. I'm not sure what else you would expect to happen. If an old person who is living alone in a remote part of the world with no family or friends dies, yes, it is still tragic, but I'm at a loss for why we would all be discussing it on the Internet other than to discuss the topic of death generally - and yes, you will get no arguments from me that death is sad. Period.

But this thread is a thread about Whitney Houston. If you would like to start a thread on the 16 year old who died from a heroin OD, then please do so, and those who knew him/her or about him/her can participate in that thread, too. I did quite clearly state in my post that addiction is really a tragic thing, and gave my public service message (which applies to everyone) on the topic of addiction and how addiction kills.

I think it is to be expected that someone who was known to a lot of people through their involvement in music would be mourned by all the people whose lives her music touched. I think you are confusing two issues in your mind. No one here is disputing the overall tragedy of death. But I'm not going to start talking about how much I miss my grandmother on a thread that is about Whitney Houston. I miss my grandmother more than Whitney Houston, but this thread isn't about my terrific grandmother (who couldn't sing, but was still terrific). But Whitney Houston's death is one that the public will mourn - she touched a lot of people with her music.

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/13/2012 12:05:16 PM

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I have had this recurring nightmare that after I die all the girls who have said they wanted to blow me showed up at the wake and were saying shit like.....if you would have only been with us a day or two more......

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/13/2012 12:24:10 PM

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I don't think it's necessarily an issue of people not caring about regular people... it's just sometimes they are not on your radar. The media has provided an extreme lack of privacy for "famous" people, so because you end up exposed to so much of their life, sometimes you feel like you know them a little. And that's not to mention if you actually enjoyed their music/acting/whatever, then you really do have a personal interest in the individual.

Yes, there are multiple onngoing current military/civil conflicts.
Yes, babies are dying from malaria in Africa.
Yes, a large proportion of Americans have lost their homes, or at facing homelessness.

To constantly think about the impact of these awful things on a daily basis is soul destroying. But just because someone thinks it's sad a celebrity dies, it doesn't mean they are not also socially aware of the disparities of the world.

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/13/2012 2:58:24 PM

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I wouldn't be so negative if I saw even a fraction of this much "so sad" kinda postings applied to the kid that died at 16 from a heroin OD, and the only folks who would notice it were the family and the cops.

yeah, I'm being a bitch. deal.

You're not being a bitch at all - I, and about half of the UK and several parts of France and Germany, were all devastated by the 16 yr old's heroin od death. Like you, I just don't see why the US wasn't similarly gutted.

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/13/2012 3:47:13 PM

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The worst, the absolute pits, that I've ever come across, was of an Eastern European woman who'd come to Britain and got together with some guy who vanished shortly after she'd given birth.

The DSS wrote to her saying that (for some, completely legal, reason) she wasn't due any benefits. The day the letter arrived, and with her baby in her arms, she jumped off the balcony of the East London tower block in which she was living.

A Sun story. One paragraph, next to the page 3 girl. The story didn't name the woman, much less the baby. Who cares? She and her baby were just scum, after all.

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/13/2012 3:49:28 PM

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I have had this recurring nightmare that after I die all the girls who have said they wanted to blow me showed up at the wake and were saying shit like.....if you would have only been with us a day or two more......

Look on the bright side, at least you would be stiff

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/13/2012 4:48:01 PM

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But this thread is a thread about Whitney Houston.

No, it's the usual bitch fest you see online any time a celebrity passes. Lots of unhappy, angry people in this world.

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/13/2012 5:28:56 PM

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Not sure you need to be an "unhappy,angry"person to see the absurdity in everyone going thru convulsion of grief,and saying how tragic something like this is.
What "something like this" actually is...is the wasteful death of an extremely talented,but hugely flawed human being.
I said it on page 2,folks dying after a brave,gave it their all fight against some insidious disease is a tragedy....some narcissistic asshole offing themselves thru the abuse of drugs and or alcohol is just a damm waste and a crying fucking shame.....but not a tragedy.
Not by a long shot,watch someone you love lose a battle to a terrible insidious disease.....that's tragedy

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/13/2012 5:30:08 PM

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No, it's the usual bitch fest you see online any time a celebrity passes. Lots of unhappy, angry people in this world.

And, to be fair, lots of people who have candyfloss where their brains should be.

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/13/2012 7:23:43 PM

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The worst, the absolute pits, that I've ever come across, was of an Eastern European woman who'd come to Britain and got together with some guy who vanished shortly after she'd given birth.

The DSS wrote to her saying that (for some, completely legal, reason) she wasn't due any benefits. The day the letter arrived, and with her baby in her arms, she jumped off the balcony of the East London tower block in which she was living.

A Sun story. One paragraph, next to the page 3 girl. The story didn't name the woman, much less the baby. Who cares? She and her baby were just scum, after all.

My grandmother didn't get a story in the newspaper when she died other than the obvious paid obituary. Should I sue the media for not reporting her death so the world could mourn her along with me? Just wondering as I feel her death has clearly not been mourned properly by the billions of people on the face of the planet who remain, gasp, unaware of her death at all...because I know the moment her death is announced, the world will actually stop rotating on its axis....

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/13/2012 7:31:58 PM

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Just for those who feel we aren't paying enough attention to death in general. A child dies on this planet every 4 seconds. So I guess we should all just wear a lot of black and prepare to mourn constantly. Oh, and that statistic is just the children.

Death is a reality of life. Human beings are mortal. If we literally stopped to mourn every single death on the planet at every moment, we would not be able to function as a society. Every life is, ultimately, equal. But not every life is lived in the public eye. The public is not going to mourn every death in exactly the same way. And it is frankly quite absurd to think any other way.

Mourning for every death? Frankly, a waste of time. Fight drugs, fight poverty, fight illiteracy, fight disease. Improve life for those on the face of the planet. Death is inevitable.

But I am still sad about Whitney Houston. So there.

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/13/2012 8:03:24 PM

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But I am still sad about Whitney Houston. So there.

Nothing wrong in that. She was only 48. I don't recall that she did any harm to anyone.

Everyone has a right to feel whatever they feel about this.

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/14/2012 6:05:58 AM

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But I am still sad about Whitney Houston. So there.

Nothing wrong in that. She was only 48. I don't recall that she did any harm to anyone.

Everyone has a right to feel whatever they feel about this.

My understanding was that she whipped Bobby Browns ass a couple more times than he whipped hers......so Bobby may feel differently.....

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/14/2012 6:26:32 AM

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....some narcissistic asshole offing themselves thru the abuse of drugs and or alcohol is just a damm waste and a crying fucking shame.....but not a tragedy.

Has anyone close to you ever suffered from addiction? Because it doesn't sound like you understand how addiction works, at all. Addiction IS a disease. And addiction IS tragic. (I'm not suggesting other things are not tragic, too, but to discount addiction in this way shows complete ignorance about what addiction is, and how it plays out for most people).

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/14/2012 6:58:16 AM

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I'm an addict.

I stand by what I have said. And agree with Mike.

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/14/2012 7:07:25 AM

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....some narcissistic asshole offing themselves thru the abuse of drugs and or alcohol is just a damm waste and a crying fucking shame.....but not a tragedy.

Has anyone close to you ever suffered from addiction? Because it doesn't sound like you understand how addiction works, at all. Addiction IS a disease. And addiction IS tragic. (I'm not suggesting other things are not tragic, too, but to discount addiction in this way shows complete ignorance about what addiction is, and how it plays out for most people).

Yes Princess,damm near everyone near and dear to me has suffered.My father was an addict,which meant/means I,and all of my siblings had/have some sort of addiction issues.
It is due to all of that experience that I have come to the conclusion that dying from this wholly treatable disease is in fact the height of narcissism ,waste and a crying fucking shame.
Perhaps if your life was touched/altered/affected as much as mine by this insidious disease YOU would feel as I do.

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/14/2012 7:08:54 AM

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I'm an addict.

I stand by what I have said. And agree with Mike.

Greedy you will find as we go down this road on Collarme that standing and agreeing with me.....will see you in good stead and put you on the right side of most discussions

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/14/2012 9:02:03 AM

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saying how tragic something like this is.

I view someone that had enough talent to have the world at their feet, but chooses a path that throws it all away as tragic.

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RE: Whitney Houston has died - 2/14/2012 11:01:32 AM

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saying how tragic something like this is.

I view someone that had enough talent to have the world at their feet, but chooses a path that throws it all away as tragic.

You are free to do so...I choose to view it as tremendous waste,I reserve tragedy for those who fight to live.....and tragically lose that fight.
Different strokes and all that

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