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Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? D... - 2/19/2012 3:46:47 PM   
farglebargle


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Status: offline 		I can imagine that a lot of the crazies would fall in line behind a movement which says, since they're irresponsible, we need to save them from themselves and prevent them from aborting another baby by taking away their ability to get pregnant.

As long as the crazies think of woman as their own private breeding stock, as evidenced by all their claims, how long do you think before this comes around?

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 4:00:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I once sat next to a woman in the waiting room at my OB/GYN. She was in tears. She had two sons, she had been laid off 6 months prior. She had decided to have her tubes tied 3 months after being laid off. Then her husband had been laid off. She had recently discovered that even though her tubes had been tied, she became pregnant. Neither she or her husband were working. They decided rather than making their current two children suffer because they couldn't afford the pregnancy or the third child to have an abortion.

I don't view that as irresponsible.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 4:03:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		These women are getting impregnated by men.  Why not sterilize the men?  One man can impregnate many more women in any given time than a woman can carry a baby to term.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 4:06:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, I like that one. Give her an abortion, and sterilize the guy responsible.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 4:13:28 PM   
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Hey, I like that one. Give her an abortion, and sterilize the guy responsible.


Splendid idea.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 4:14:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

I can imagine that a lot of the crazies would fall in line behind a movement which says, since they're irresponsible, we need to save them from themselves and prevent them from aborting another baby by taking away their ability to get pregnant.

As long as the crazies think of woman as their own private breeding stock, as evidenced by all their claims, how long do you think before this comes around?

I dunno. What crazies have proposed the idea, besides you?

K.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 4:14:38 PM   
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I once sat next to a woman in the waiting room at my OB/GYN. She was in tears. She had two sons, she had been laid off 6 months prior. She had decided to have her tubes tied 3 months after being laid off. Then her husband had been laid off. She had recently discovered that even though her tubes had been tied, she became pregnant. Neither she or her husband were working. They decided rather than making their current two children suffer because they couldn't afford the pregnancy or the third child to have an abortion.

I don't view that as irresponsible.


This is a heartbreaking situation. I am completely against abortions. I am also all for people being able to choose for themselves. In this particular situation, the couple is making an incredible decision. Absolutely painful and heart rending.

This issue can easily be solved. Women who get abortions....should pay for their abortions. If places like Planned Parenthood want to provide free abortions, go for it. Gather donations (which does not include gub'mint payola...that isn't a donation) and provide to your heart's content. THAT is what should happen. It's not whether or not gub'mint should pay for all abortions, or only for the poor. Gub'mint should not be paying for them at all. Period.

And, if anyone wants to go down the "women's health" road...can you get pregnant or std's from abstinence? Wouldn't that be a boon to a woman's health? Thought so.


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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 4:26:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am in agreement with Kirata, if you have a link to where this was proposed, it would be helpful. So far in my google search, I have found nothing to verify the claim.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 4:29:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

I once sat next to a woman in the waiting room at my OB/GYN. She was in tears. She had two sons, she had been laid off 6 months prior. She had decided to have her tubes tied 3 months after being laid off. Then her husband had been laid off. She had recently discovered that even though her tubes had been tied, she became pregnant. Neither she or her husband were working. They decided rather than making their current two children suffer because they couldn't afford the pregnancy or the third child to have an abortion.

I don't view that as irresponsible.


This is a heartbreaking situation. I am completely against abortions. I am also all for people being able to choose for themselves. In this particular situation, the couple is making an incredible decision. Absolutely painful and heart rending.

This issue can easily be solved. Women who get abortions....should pay for their abortions. If places like Planned Parenthood want to provide free abortions, go for it. Gather donations (which does not include gub'mint payola...that isn't a donation) and provide to your heart's content. THAT is what should happen. It's not whether or not gub'mint should pay for all abortions, or only for the poor. Gub'mint should not be paying for them at all. Period.

And, if anyone wants to go down the "women's health" road...can you get pregnant or std's from abstinence? Wouldn't that be a boon to a woman's health? Thought so.



*snorts* I wanna see you shove a watermelon out of your penis.. then you can talk about what should and shouldnt be provided...

If Viagra is covered by government health plans, as well as vasectomies... Abortions and birth control should be covered as well

it costs with complications.. about 1500 dollars for an abortion.. it costs with complications to have a baby..39,000...

Id rather pay the 1500...

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 4:34:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		After another search, I actually found a group that are proposing such a measure.

At least it provides a quote stating this, however there is no source for the quote.


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Anyone who goes along with an abortion should be mandatorily sterilized. And, yes, that also includes the father regardless of whether they’re ‘in the picture’ (supported the abortion of their child) or not (i.e. deadbeat dad).

You can keep your rights just as long society can keep theirs. You don’t want a child and terminate it through abortion then you shouldn’t be allowed to have a child at all. Unless you adopt a child. I do support mandatory sterilization for women who get abortions and the father of the child.

It may be controversial but so is getting an abortion in itself. Why not put the two together as a pair? You get one procedure and you’re required to get the other along with it.
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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 4:46:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Eugenics and forced sterilization were tremendously popular in the early 1900's and were pushed and championed by the Progressives (e.g., Roosevelt, Wells, Sanger, Bernard-Shaw, Keynes, etc). Many states in the US adopted forced sterilization policies during this time where many women were sterilized without consent.

See the Supreme Court Case: Buck vs. Bell.

This is old news.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 4:47:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

I can imagine that a lot of the crazies would fall in line behind a movement which says, since they're irresponsible, we need to save them from themselves and prevent them from aborting another baby by taking away their ability to get pregnant.

As long as the crazies think of woman as their own private breeding stock, as evidenced by all their claims, how long do you think before this comes around?

I dunno. What crazies have proposed the idea, besides you?

K.


Did you see all the 'how long until it comes around' and stuff? That indicates what we call a 'hypothetical scenario'. It's an extrapolation from what the crazies have already advanced, and given that another participant has found someone who appears to be actually advocating it, once again I'm too late to the party to claim credit.

Oh well..

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 4:49:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know this will get plenty of flack...but what the hell. Forget abortions....what should be done with women that are receiving government aid for themselves and their child or children... then have another baby...or two or three more babies?

I think it is perfectly reasonable to force these women to accept an implanted contraceptive devise if healthy while receiving aid.

OK I can take it!!!!

Butch

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 5:14:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

After another search, I actually found a group that are proposing such a measure.

It doesn't appear to me to be a group? Unless I'm missing something. Just a 6-month old post by a user called "aur." But at least now we know that the idea has occurred to TWO people.

K.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 5:40:39 PM   
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I know this will get plenty of flack...but what the hell. Forget abortions....what should be done with women that are receiving government aid for themselves and their child or children... then have another baby...or two or three more babies?

I think it is perfectly reasonable to force these women to accept an implanted contraceptive devise if healthy while receiving aid.

OK I can take it!!!!

Butch


Just because they have a child while on welfare doesnt mean their check goes up. It doesnt.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 5:45:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I really don't know tazzy but should they be having children while on aid? Is it the best thing for the existing child IF she does not get enough money to care for them...or even if she does?

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 5:50:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is why men should not decide women's issues. Sorry fellas. But honestly, butch, are you always this stubborn, or are you truly not getting the grasp of it yet.

Lets assume you are not.

Not every woman can be on birth control.
Not every woman can have implants.
Not every woman gets pregnant as a result of lack of birth control.
Not every woman wants to get pregnant.
Not every woman gets pregnant by choice.
Not every woman has a say in getting pregnant.
Not every woman has a pregnancy that is the end result of consensual sex.

I have a better idea. Sperm banks. Men should donate then get sterilized. No more accidental pregnancy and the only children born are those who are wanted by those who can afford them.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 5:59:34 PM   
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Where does this crap come from?

The reason we have skin is so everyone can tell where they end and someone else begins. It is no tougher than that. Yet this flying pig shit still gets flung. As if it made a lick of sense.

What is there to discuss? If you are against abortion Don't Have One. It really is just that simple.

Jesus.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 6:01:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I know this will get plenty of flack...but what the hell. Forget abortions....what should be done with women that are receiving government aid for themselves and their child or children... then have another baby...or two or three more babies?

I think it is perfectly reasonable to force these women to accept an implanted contraceptive devise if healthy while receiving aid.

OK I can take it!!!!

Butch


Just because they have a child while on welfare doesnt mean their check goes up. It doesnt.

The check doesn't go up, and there is another mouth to feed.

I gotta say, I think requiring folks on welfare to use birth control, until they are self supporting, is an idea I have often thought was a damn good one.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/19/2012 6:03:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

I once sat next to a woman in the waiting room at my OB/GYN. She was in tears. She had two sons, she had been laid off 6 months prior. She had decided to have her tubes tied 3 months after being laid off. Then her husband had been laid off. She had recently discovered that even though her tubes had been tied, she became pregnant. Neither she or her husband were working. They decided rather than making their current two children suffer because they couldn't afford the pregnancy or the third child to have an abortion.

I don't view that as irresponsible.


This is a heartbreaking situation. I am completely against abortions. I am also all for people being able to choose for themselves. In this particular situation, the couple is making an incredible decision. Absolutely painful and heart rending.

This issue can easily be solved. Women who get abortions....should pay for their abortions. If places like Planned Parenthood want to provide free abortions, go for it. Gather donations (which does not include gub'mint payola...that isn't a donation) and provide to your heart's content. THAT is what should happen. It's not whether or not gub'mint should pay for all abortions, or only for the poor. Gub'mint should not be paying for them at all. Period.

And, if anyone wants to go down the "women's health" road...can you get pregnant or std's from abstinence? Wouldn't that be a boon to a woman's health? Thought so.




Sure women should pay for their own abortions!!  After all, if a woman is going to have sex birth control is 100% her responsibility, right?   Why should the guy have to inconvenience himself by swinging by the drug store on the way over to pick up a package of condoms??   Why should he have to ruin the moment by asking if she's protected? 

Sheesh.

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