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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 8:58:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not to argue with Mr. Colbert (I actually like him a lot) but, I signed up for this when he first started it and not only did I never hear back from them I know of at least 37 other people that never got jobs from it either. I will admit when I signed up I did it to prove the point that some Americans will still work but others I know really did, and still do, need jobs. I live in Kansas, these are people that have been doing farm labor their whole lives so they didn't think twice about signing up to do more.


As for the OP. I believe I would be more annoyed that I was in a realationship with someone that feels they could not be honest with me. Would I turn them in.....not likely. Would I carry on having a realationship with them....no.

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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 9:03:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Great point, MIP -- as someone originally from KS, and currently living in another ag state (NE), there are quite a few regular Americans doing farm labor jobs; they aren't "unwanted" jobs. I didn't sign up for this program because I didn't hear about it, but I would've. =p I actually like working outdoors, and I'm a rural person anyway. I grew up doing ag-type work in my grandpa's business, so it's really not that alien to me.

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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 9:06:28 AM   
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I'm not all that worried about citizenship status and illegal immigration issues, its not like its really all that important.


Yeah, actually it is. Live in a city close the Mexican border for a year and you'd have a new understanding of how really important it is.




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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 9:19:33 AM   
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No I wouldn't report them. I'm not all that worried about citizenship status and illegal immigration issues, its not like its really all that important.


Try selling that dumbassery to the people in Postville Iowa.

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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 9:21:17 AM   
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Great point, MIP -- as someone originally from KS, and currently living in another ag state (NE), there are quite a few regular Americans doing farm labor jobs; they aren't "unwanted" jobs. I didn't sign up for this program because I didn't hear about it, but I would've. =p I actually like working outdoors, and I'm a rural person anyway. I grew up doing ag-type work in my grandpa's business, so it's really not that alien to me.


Most of the ag work available around here is not outdoors. It is usually either working in a large hog facility, a large poultry facility, or a big slaughter house.

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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 9:21:39 AM   
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Great point, MIP -- as someone originally from KS, and currently living in another ag state (NE), there are quite a few regular Americans doing farm labor jobs; they aren't "unwanted" jobs. I didn't sign up for this program because I didn't hear about it, but I would've. =p I actually like working outdoors, and I'm a rural person anyway. I grew up doing ag-type work in my grandpa's business, so it's really not that alien to me.

I grew up on a farm (talk about child slave labor lol).. I am sure there are some people open to do that work, although I personally am not (not unless its my friggin blueberry patch on my land).. I dont think there are enough Americans willing to do that tho..

Gas prices will be rising this summer (apparently a lot higher),.. that will affect the cost of food at all levels,.. workers still need to get to these jobs too,.. its not like there is a bus you can catch.. so imo, logistics play a big part of it.. I also would not be willing to live in the bare bones temporary housing available on some farms (shudder)..

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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 9:32:45 AM   
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I'm not all that worried about citizenship status and illegal immigration issues, its not like its really all that important.


Yeah, actually it is. Live in a city close the Mexican border for a year and you'd have a new understanding of how really important it is.




Rockville Maryland isn't anywhere close to the Mexican border yet if LoreBook lived here for a year (or even half a year) they'd have a new understanding of how really important the ILLEGAL immigration issue is.

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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 9:36:15 AM   
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Do you think if the illegals disappeared the jobs would still be there?



Are you saying that if the illegals left, the jobs would dry up? Are you saying illegal aliens create jobs? Yes, I believe that if the illegal aliens weren't able to work, the work would still be there for other people to do.

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ORIGINAL: Loookingforus

Would your friends be willing to work for the same wages?



Since some of them are doing work that is beneath their education/experience/whatever, I would say that they'd be willing to work for minimum wage and that, because they have personal responsibility, they would not work a job that paid less than minimum wage and was "cash only" because they'd be afraid of legal rammifications (as would I).

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ORIGINAL: Loookingforus

You make the statement that we can not support open borders, why can't we? That would solve the unfair wages and non taxation issues. That would put them on equal footing for jobs. It would also remove the need to detain and deport them. Why would that be a bad thing?



It would also put a strain on housing, city services (police, fire, garbage,etc.), the already about to go broke SS system, and many other things I'm sure I can't fathom, right now.

I am not against people entering this country legally but there's an argument to be made that any economy can only support so many people. We're just barely starting to climb out of a recession. In my state, the unemployment rate was almost 25% of the total population that was eligible/able to work (No, not the numbers they report on the news which is just first filings; the amount of people out of work).

I don't doubt that these people come here to find a better life. I believe that I could find a better life in another country. I am not willing to jump through the hoops it would take to be able to start a life in that country legally. Therefore, I stay here and try to make my country a better place. Again; personal responsibility.



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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 9:50:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		The SS system was screwed up by your govt, not anyone else.. illegal immigrants do not collect SS. If they use someone elses SSN then the govt keeps the money the illegals pay from SS taken off their paycheck, those payments do not go to the real person with the SSN or the illegal immigrant, the govt just keeps it..

So the govt knows exactly where these illegals are,.. yet they dont do anything to stop them, have them arrested or deported.. they are allowing them to work.. why is that exactly?

eta- Many legal American Hispanics also work for less, I was discussing this with one guy, his view was even if he only makes a small amount on a stucco job, its money he wouldnt have otherwise so he will do whatever work comes his way.. So its not just illegals that keep wages low, its also a certain segment of legal Americans..

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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 9:58:20 AM   
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The SS system was screwed up by your govt, not anyone else.. illegal immigrants do not collect SS. If they use someone elses SSN then the govt keeps the money the illegals pay from SS taken off their paycheck, those payments do not go to the real person with the SSN or the illegal immigrant, the govt just keeps it..


It's not that simple. I was questioned by the IRS. I was denied unemployment benefits, until I could prove that my SSN was being used by someone else. It's not something harmless when they use someone else's SSN.


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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 10:01:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LoreBook

I'm not all that worried about citizenship status and illegal immigration issues, its not like its really all that important.



Yeah, actually it is. Live in a city close the Mexican border for a year and you'd have a new understanding of how really important it is.



I don't know that a border town would be any worse than 35 miles SE of NYC. NYC has been one of largest points of entry for illegal aliens for a long time and where I live, while very "citified" is just 15-20 miles north of farm country. Of course, I'm not just talking about agricultural farming (New Jersey has more working horse farms than Kentucky).

Three blocks from where I live is a little "triangle" formed by one street, forking off from another (and then, a cross-street, obviously). Starting at about 0430, every morning, the men start milling around and shortly, thereafter come the "employers", driving up, talking for a few minutes and whisking them off.

Now, I happen to know that a good portion of these employers are tradesmen (carpenters, LOTS of masons, etc.) and they do not pay below minimum wage but, I know that they are "taking advantage" of the workers because they are paying far less than what American workers would be getting. No one's screaming about the discrimination, there. Of course they aren't. The point has been made (and rightly so) that $8.00 is a fortune to some of these people. However, the employer and by extension, the worker are breaking the law by not withholding/paying taxes. Do I support ending criminal activities? Yes, whole-heartedly.

The truth is: You don't have to live in a border town in this country to see the damage being done by illegal immigration. It's happening, everywhere. You do have to be living with your head in the sand to not see what's going on.

I want to stress, again; that I live in this neighborhood. I know these people. They're good, decent people with their hearts in the right place. That being said; they're also a "danger" to our economy and in some cases, our way of life.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 10:04:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		It would be over for me.  I don't know that I would report them, but I certainly wouldn't want to be in a relationship with them.



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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 10:07:26 AM   
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It would also put a strain on housing, city services (police, fire, garbage,etc.), the already about to go broke SS system, and many other things I'm sure I can't fathom, right now.
Michael


Social Security is actually being helped by illegal immigrants. In fact, Romney supports the Federal citizenship verification program (E-verify?) that has cost social security a lot of money. Frankly I support it too, but only because I think we should have open borders. Anyway, most illegals get a fake ID and a real ("borrowed") social security number. Then they can get a regular job, and their wages pay into someone else's social security account. When the fraud (Yes, it is illegal, you are completely correct about that) is discovered, the money is moved to the general account to cover shortfalls.
E-Verify for all would push a lot of illegals out of paying Social Security, which would make it go broke sooner.
Ironically, the number of new workers needed to make Social Security solvent? About 11 million.
Now here is my evil plan (why I support e-verify). Illegals are forced into shadow economy jobs, working for less than the minimum wage, and not paying taxes. I wait 2 years, and then call for illegals to join a class action lawsuit against their employers, using RICO statutes to claim treble damages. Illegals get a huge cash settlement to leave the country, companies/people who hire illegals get a huge financial hit, and people see the price of the stuff illegals provide shoot up, leading to a call for more legal immigration, which would also save our Social Security system (suffering from the ratio of old people to workers...).

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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 10:24:52 AM   
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The SS system was screwed up by your govt, not anyone else.. illegal immigrants do not collect SS. If they use someone elses SSN then the govt keeps the money the illegals pay from SS taken off their paycheck, those payments do not go to the real person with the SSN or the illegal immigrant, the govt just keeps it..


It's not that simple. I was questioned by the IRS. I was denied unemployment benefits, until I could prove that my SSN was being used by someone else. It's not something harmless when they use someone else's SSN.

I never ever said it was harmless.. did I??? What I believe I said was that the govt knows and just keeps the money, they do nothing to deport illegals when they know full well where many of them are..

I know a Canadian that lost his passport as a young adult traveling in Europe that had his ID and SIN (the Canadian SSN equivalent) used by someone living and working in Canada illegally.. all the govt did was give him a new SIN and that was the end of it, as far as he knew anyway.. not sure what happened to the guy using his ID, if anything..

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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 10:27:01 AM   
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Social Security is actually being helped by illegal immigrants.
It doesn't help the people that those numbers actually belong to though. Trust me I know. It took years to get it straightened out.


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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 10:28:10 AM   
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Is that an acceptable answer?

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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 10:36:34 AM   
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I want to stress, again; that I live in this neighborhood. I know these people. They're good, decent people with their hearts in the right place. That being said; they're also a "danger" to our economy and in some cases, our way of life.

Then give them a reasonable avenue to become legal.. its not like the govt is going to deport them all or even a big enough number of them, they are here, they arent going anywhere.. they only deport a very small number.. so give them a way to become legal, to be able to say to employers that they want to be paid more, to be able to pay all taxes fully, to establish a credit rating and buy a home, to own a business that is legal and creates jobs and hires other Americans..

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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 10:43:27 AM   
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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 12:22:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		no but I would help him to get legal status and I'd tell him if he didn't then I wouldn't continue to be able to see him any longer. I don't need the drama and troubles in my life.


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RE: What would you do if you learned that your partner ... - 2/23/2012 1:16:44 PM   
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He first moved here from Canada with some sort of work visa



I've bolded a key statement here. The US is pretty stingy about giving green cards to someone that doesn't have a viable career. Unless you can claim asylum, they rarely give green cards to someone mowing lawns or working at minimum wage.

My ex entered the country illegally, but had a green card by the time we were together.

Oh, he did have some things lined up. His girlfriend's (now wife's) father owns his own company and offered him a decent job there, so he had a pretty good set up. He did eventually lose that job after some time (company wasn't doing so well) but managed to find another relatively quickly. Those two are very lucky, yet the process is still long and hard. I can't imagine what it would be like for someone who didn't have the things he did.

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