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DesideriScuri -> RE: Why is US medical care so expensive? (3/6/2012 1:22:52 PM)
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
I heard that cock and bull story about how physicians would leave this country in droves if it was passed at all. Yet, no such mass exodus occurred. When you can prove that theory, do let me know.
I didn't hear that they would if Obamacare was passed at all. Most typically it's heard when you start talking about reducing reimbursement rates and/or not increasing them as inflation runs its course. Since the Doc Fix bills keep passing (not sure how that's excluded from health reform) and Obamacare isn't in full swing yet, you aren't likely to see Dr.'s leaving in droves. That may never happen, but if Medicare reimbursement rates are cut, you'll see a great deal fewer doctors willing to take on more Medicare patients.
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Its as much of a right as your right to be free... which is why you trimmed that part of my post.
Nope. What I cut out had nothing to do with how healthcare is a right. And, it's not a right. Period. No one gives me my right to be Free. Government (and government various agencies) protect my right to be Free. Everyone has access to medical care. The only thing PPACA did was charge more to some so others can either pay nothing, pay less, or pay little for that care. It isn't increasing access. It's just shifting costs.
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The same way they sued over wrongful deaths when the AIDS scare was in its heyday. Did the insurance companies cause their aids? Nope. They denied them care. There wasnt a single person at those insurance companies who caused their disease, wasnt a single person who could have cured their disease, yet they were held accountable for denying care to those who needed it.
Because something is not curable is no excuse, no matter how much you want it to be true to make your argument valid.
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Ma Bell? Please do explain how Ma Bell had something to do with our current financial issue.
Ma Bell... the mega-corporation that outgrew itself and screwed everyone with their rate hikes time and time again... all because they could.. until it was finally shut down and forced to give up its strangle hold on their customers. It was allowed to grow unchecked... which is one of the basis for your free market capitalistic system... and it failed.
Yes, in totally free Free Market Capitalism, there is no regulation at all, and monopolies can exist. However, what I have said time and time again, is that there is a necessity for government regulation, to a certain degree, but that we are already well past that point. Prevention of monopolies is one of those necessary government regulations. See, now? If you would have actually given me credit for what I state, and asked me about it, you wouldn't be making these mistakes, over and over.
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That can't be, though, right? Have your mortgage experts talk to mine and we'll see what comes out of it. I have my info directly from mortgage brokers during the run up, and eventual collapse. But, what do they know, right?
They know enough to lie to cover their asses.
Yeah. That's what they did. Great way to rebut the story.
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Obviously, you already know that answer to be no. There isn't one out there.
Then explain to me how you are so absolutely sure this is the best thing for anyone.
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Because Capitalism is what has driven the US's rise to the economic leadership position we are still in. Interesting to note: China's current economic expansion was created by their government reducing their stranglehold and adopting more capitalistic measures. Of course, that probably has nothing to do with it, right?
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Do you not pay any attention to what is happening in Europe? The riots in Greece, Britain, Spain, Italy, or France when their Government starts to make changes to keep financial matters in check? Anything? The disquiet in Germany over having to spend more to help out Eurozone country/ies?
Its not as simple as you wish to make it out to be. Riots? Yup, well aware. Unrest, completely aware. I was one calling for the US not to bail out any corporation, instead, for having the government take them over.
The amazingly effective, "Nuh Uh" argument. Brilliant! And so you know, I was calling for the bailouts to not happen. When Bush bailed out Bear Stearns in the Spring of '08, that was my final wake-up call. Instead of being a political ignorer, I started reading, and reading, and reading. The bailout of the auto companies was even worse. Everyone bought into the hysteria that if we don't bail out the auto companies, the auto industry would fail to exist in the US. Never was mentioned that someone could purchase parts of GM or Chrysler and continue to make cars. Ford didn't take a bailout for 2 main reasons. First, it came with too many Government strings, and secondly, they didn't absolutely need it (much of their restructuring occurred prior to the auto bailouts, so they were already on much more stable financial footing to begin with) to stay open.
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Before you get to Europe, you will have to understand the European mindset. Germans actually have a very fiscally conservative personal manner. I was surprised by some of the stories I hear from a friend who is working over there. Very eye-opening, both in his care costs (he has to pay and get reimbursed by his US-based insurance) and in the conservative consumption over there.
What does that have to do with our health care system? Each country runs its own, a different way. Just because your friend in Greece isnt happy with his doesnt make someone else in another country not happy with theirs.
He's in Germany, first off. And, I never mentioned him not being happy with the health care system in Germany. The opposite is actual true. He loves it, and is also a huge proponent of national health care for the US.
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You can't have our level of Freedom and Liberty along with a European-style national health care system. They are incompatible.
Ah, there is your mistake. Who said I was advocating for an European-style NHS?
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In actuality, if we had the conservative consumption qualities of the Germans, it is my opinion that health care would not cost quite as much, and more people would be able to afford their own care simply because they have more of their own money.
lmao... by returning the 25-27% people pay out of their paychecks in taxes? I need to talk to your accounting people.. they are miracle workers.
Huh? I have no idea what that has to do with the conservative consumption of Germans.
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