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Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/5/2012 8:50:35 PM

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It`s been a long time coming.The AG laying out their reasoning and rational for targeting people who take up arms against us,no mater who they are or where they are.Almost to the letter,the AG has confirmed all of my arguments FOR the Obama doctrine.

The AG spoke today so there`ll be plenty of articles and POVs coming out shortly.

"Some have called such operations 'assassinations.' They are not, and the use of that loaded term is misplaced. Assassinations are unlawful killings," Holder continued in his prepared remarks. "The U.S. government's use of lethal force in self defense against a leader of al Qaeda or an associated force who presents an imminent threat of violent attack would not be unlawful -- and therefore would not violate the Executive Order banning assassination or criminal statutes."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/holder-speak-targeted-killings-americans/story?id=15851232

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/5/2012 9:06:24 PM

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Let's hope he starts with his NUMBER THREE GUY...

I mean, he only raised funds for Al Queda, and defended that dirtbag Lindh, let's start there Eric!

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/5/2012 9:22:44 PM

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Liberals might object to this.

Liberals might be expected to object to this.

Obamabots will just say, "baa-aaa."

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/5/2012 9:41:01 PM

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I should have included that this is an adult thread.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/5/2012 10:00:23 PM

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quote:

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I should have included that this is an adult thread.

You are such a fanboy of this administration that all of your Obama threads belong in a secret crush forum.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/5/2012 11:42:05 PM

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Sure you're not confusing the idea with those I_Grabbed_my_Ankles_4_W chatrooms that were so popular with you guys a few years back?

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 12:48:56 AM

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oh it gets better, these sorts of laws went in that could mean death for anybody that anybody else ever calls a terrorist (and yes, you ARE encouraged to tell on your neighbors) and that scope has widened quite a lot to include regular gangs

do you know what was officially called a gang by the government? people who are considered juggalos, whether or not they consider themselves to actualy BE juggalos, if youre called a juggalo you can be killed. do you know what a juggalo is? somebody who listens to music coming from a record label called psychopatic records. a fucking record label, that's it, that's all it takes now. why? because fans of the record label, specifically but not limited to fans of one particular band called insane clown posse, like to dress up and wear face paint, you know, like a FUCKING KISS FAN DOES! seriously, where the fuck else do you call the commercial version a bunch of fans and the less known version a fucking gang? what other country would be so stupid? icp and most of the psychopathic label are the exact same thing as simpsons or south park, sure they use naughty language and weird shit happens but it's to teach you what not to do, like stan marsh says almost every single episode "i learned something today" know why he says that? BECAUSE THE SHOW IS TEACHING YOU A LESSON! and it doesn't have to be in your face about it, a psa about not being mean to somebody who's different gets mocked to no end, but the episode of south park 'conjoined fetus lady' you actually watch. exact same with icp, yes you could have all sorts of training and psa the topic of internet predators to the end of time, but not a lot of people, especially the people who would be targeted, will actually pay attention, but out comes a song called 'to catch a predator' and people listen, it may not change their views on being invincible online but it might, and even if it doesn't the thought may actually be in their hollow teenage skull somewhere (lets face it, i was mature for my age but even my teen years are filled to the brim with stupid and non thought) now there are better examples for both psychopathic records and south park but i think you get it, now what is the big difference here? nobody is saying 'lets shoot people who watch south park and do a cartman impression' but people are seriously saying 'lets shoot people who like music' damn i hate people

well, that's my venting on the stupidity and brainlessness of people who don't know what they're talking about when it comes to what is and is not dangerous

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 1:43:47 AM

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Actually there is ample precedent for killing American citizens without trial: all those tens of thousands of Confederate soldiers who died in battle. They were in open arms against the lawful national authority (as are these traitors working with Al Queda), and posed a clear and present danger to the nation (as do the traitors working with Al Queda), they were beyond the reach of the law and courts (as the traitors etc), so the only realistic course was to kill them on the battlefield.

If these current traitors can be caught and brought to trial, that is all fine and good, and I hope that can be done to establish the legal status, but when the citizenry arm themselves and attack the nation, it is the duty of the government to, as the Presidential oath says, "Defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

I suspect what has the Radicals' underwear knotted, aside from this being something done by 'Teh Kenyan', is that this same logic might be applied to them when they decide to take their case to arms.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 2:36:47 AM

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Ever since the purposefully mis-named PATRIOT act, all of us have been labelled "Terrorist" until and unless we can prove otherwise.

That piece of shit legislation ... that attack on the constitution that King George II rammed down our throats while we were all still reeling from a devastating attack is anything but patriotic.

So, not only is there precedent for killing Americans, there's rationalization.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 5:27:48 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Ever since the purposefully mis-named PATRIOT act, all of us have been labelled "Terrorist" until and unless we can prove otherwise.

That piece of shit legislation ... that attack on the constitution that King George II rammed down our throats while we were all still reeling from a devastating attack is anything but patriotic.

So, not only is there precedent for killing Americans, there's rationalization.

Peace and comfort,

Michael

"all of us have been labelled "Terrorist"

Really.......all of us?

Can you explain how?

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 6:14:53 AM

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Sure but, this is the last time I'm doing your research for you.

Read section 802 of the USA Patriot act. We're all terrorists.

Not only that but, since the eighties, the phrase "I'm going to kick your ass" was deemed a "terroristic threat".

Once you've read section 802, you'll realize what I say is correct.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 6:17:53 AM

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Ok.....my apologies....I`ll wait for more serious discussions........later.....

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 6:19:44 AM

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Sorry. I forgot you could only read through liberal-colored glasses.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 6:41:07 AM

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"The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process." Eric Holder, Attorney General of the United States.

Well now, that's a comforting new standard, isn't it?

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 6:46:27 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Ok.....my apologies....I`ll wait for more serious discussions........later.....

Yes. I'm sure you'll be all in for more serious discussion when this power lies in the hands of a President with the wrong letter by his name.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 6:57:01 AM

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And waiting.....

Here`s a thread where you can explain your beef....but are either to timmid or have NOTHING to say?

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 7:02:10 AM

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Owner59, you do know how I love turning your poorly thought out offerings into opportunities to educate on conservative principles, but I do have a job to get to.

We'll see how you are doing, this evening.

And to DS, at least Patriot comes with a sunset clause. That isn't much to say in favor of it, but it's something.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 7:04:10 AM

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"The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process." Eric Holder, Attorney General of the United States.

Well now, that's a comforting new standard, isn't it?

Well, it is not a new standard at all, and there is no standard to the judicial process, which has changed its forms hundreds of times in hundreds of years.

The constitution really only says you get your day in court, they really don't define that court or its methodology.

Nevertheless I don't like this quasi-militant judicial system bent, due to (not so popular I think) but loud and loutish outcry.

I said that I thought the constitution was strong enough in this country to try a man in and of itself on the Gitmo 5 thread sometime ago, and was roundly shouted down by the some of the same people wringing their hands and pissing themselves here.

AND FOR CLARIFICATION, this is in response to what you said, I don't believe you were in an adversarial attitude to me on that score, and I don't even remember you posting on the fuckin thing, Rich.

Did I say that clear enough everyone? Rich is not included in the comments, about that, for cause.

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 7:11:02 AM

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The Patriot act never should have been passed, as currently (dare I say it?) constituted. It's a vile, filthy document that could only have gotten through by "intimidating a civiliian population" (interesting ling enough, the words in quotation marks are part of the definition the vile document gives for "domestic terrorism"); the politics of fear was what got that piece of shit through both houses and signed by KGII.

One of the definitions is so broad as to make DUI a terroristic crime.

One of them is: "appear to be intended to intimidate of coerce a civillian population" (As I mentioned, before) appear by whom? The investigators investigating the case? The prosecutors who make their bones on conviction percentages?

An evil law enacted by people praying on our fear and over-reaction to a horrific, never-before-seen event.

Peace and comfort,

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RE: Holder: When War on Terror Targets Americans - 3/6/2012 7:16:52 AM

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IMO....the is a War Powers Act issue.

And so does the AG.

Can we discussed the Patriot Act on a Patriot Act thread?

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