Yachtie
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
Yachtie, it's still a subsidy. And you are still taking advantage of it. The fact that you would answer this as if you are not taking advantage of it is hilarious. So yes, you are taking a mortgage deduction for your yacht. This is a SUBSIDY.
For all your talk of not believing in redistribution, and feeling that people should be responsible for themselves, you have no problem taking handouts, do you?
Okay, this is going nowhere because you really don't know what hypocrisy means, do you? You really don't.
Also, Yachtie, throughout this entire discussion, I have stuck to trying to discuss the issues at hand. You, meanwhile, have resorted to calling me names, swearing at me, and otherwise throwing a kind of temper tantrum. Are you unable to engage in debate without resorting to ad hominem attack? Do you really think that calling me "goofball" makes you look like a rocket scientist? Or that telling me to "shut the fuck up" supports a proper exchange of ideas?
If you can't defend your position without resorting to ad hominem attack, maybe you shouldn't be on the boards. Because for some reason the things I (and others) have said have bothered you so very deeply, that you can't even engage in a civil discussion anymore.
What are you so angry about?
Really??????
Lets see.....
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
I'm not asking for a system like that. I support the current system. I'm saying people who don't believe in redistribution should, in fact, support a system that gives them back only what they put in. You should support the system I've outlined because it matches your feelings about redistribution. I'm not asking for a system change. I'm asking people who don't believe in redistribution to stop taking handouts - it's hypocritical. But's that generally how people like that are. They complain about others, but think it's perfectly fine when they need help to do exactly the same thing. So why not just be supportive of the concept of redistribution. It helps people when they are in trouble. Why fight that?
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So people who do not believe in redistribution should only receive back what they paid in. Understood. Lets go to the next.
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So you believe those who do not believe in redistribution should not demand even to what they paid in because, in your own words... it's hypocritical. Understood. Your position is clear.
First, spparently you do not comprehend that one can be absolutely against something, yet where forced to participate, have no problem in demanding the receipt back of the forced taken largess. I cannot help you in that.
Second, I note that you have no problem robbing Peter to pay Paul and believe Peter should not even demand back from Paul's redistributive largess even what Paul stole from Peter by force in the first place. To do so, in your own words, is hypocritical.
If that be hypocritical I'm all for hypocrisy.
So why not just be supportive of the concept of redistribution. It helps people when they are in trouble. Why fight that?
Simple. Because the redistribution you desire allows for (believers?) receiving greater than they paid in, targeted redistribution to preferred recipients (government choosing winners and losers), and government devised social engineering.
Do you believe that can actually work? Has it ever been tried elsewhere and succeeded? (note: the old soviet union basically tried it. It failed. Pravda warned of not going down that road. The results of the EU / UK are not in yet. The numbers do not look promising.)
I have a question for you, between 1) receiving only what was paid in and 2) receiving greater than what was paid in. Where does the greater portion, being that above which was paid in, come from?
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No! What you state does not match my beliefs (not feelings; denotes emotion) on redistribution. I don't believe in redistribution at all.
And your response to my extremely civil discourse was -
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
No! What you state does not match my beliefs (not feelings; denotes emotion) on redistribution. I don't believe in redistribution at all.
Then you are perfectly free to move somewhere in the world where the tax base and tax rates are low and change your citizenship. No one is asking you to partake in the benefits of living in America. You are free to take your money and leave. But isn't it funny how even though you are perfectly free to do that - you won't. How interesting.
I said it in an earlier post. Most of the countries that have a low tax base or low tax rates or where people simply refuse to pay tax are not places and societies that I would ever want to live in. But if keeping your money intact is what matters most to you, then please, take the money and run....
Yeah, you stick to the issue alright. You avoided it. You got what you deserved.
Fucktoyprincess, you are not tall enough for this ride!
(oops, I wrote fuck there
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