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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 2:00:31 PM   
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If that is true why the constant sniviling about those of us who feed at the public trough?


Simple. You misunderstand my motive, even though made seriously and in good humor.

The simple fact is, the more you all burden the system the faster it will collapse and the sooner this country can get back to, hopefully, some semblance of freedom and liberty. I even went so far as to mention Pravda telling us not to go down that road.

I'd prefer it not collapse, but that would require what you are not willing to do. You can call it sniveling all you want. I call it pointing at the problem.


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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 2:01:06 PM   
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Your reply was pure snark. It also was off the topic. This reply is dancing for cover.

I'll say it again. You are not tall enough for this ride.

I win


I guess we've worn you out. You've become completely incapable of maintaining your composure and engaging in the ideas. Just spew out your hateful vitriol. I won't lower myself to your level. If you have ideas to discuss great. If it makes you feel better to attack me personally and not on the substance, then go for it. You are free to behave in whatever manner you choose. It is YOUR choice to behave in this manner. No one here caused you to behave like this.

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 2:03:11 PM   
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Your reply was pure snark. It also was off the topic. This reply is dancing for cover.

I'll say it again. You are not tall enough for this ride.

I win


I guess we've worn you out. You've become completely incapable of maintaining your composure and engaging in the ideas. Just spew out your hateful vitriol. I won't lower myself to your level. If you have ideas to discuss great. If it makes you feel better to attack me personally and not on the substance, then go for it. You are free to behave in whatever manner you choose. It is YOUR choice to behave in this manner. No one here caused you to behave like this.



Would you like some cheese with your whine?

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 2:08:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Your reply was pure snark. It also was off the topic. This reply is dancing for cover.

I'll say it again. You are not tall enough for this ride.

I win


I guess we've worn you out. You've become completely incapable of maintaining your composure and engaging in the ideas. Just spew out your hateful vitriol. I won't lower myself to your level. If you have ideas to discuss great. If it makes you feel better to attack me personally and not on the substance, then go for it. You are free to behave in whatever manner you choose. It is YOUR choice to behave in this manner. No one here caused you to behave like this.



Would you like some cheese with your whine?


The lack of self-awareness is truly remarkable.


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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 2:15:14 PM   
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Yachtie, it's still a subsidy. And you are still taking advantage of it. The fact that you would answer this as if you are not taking advantage of it is hilarious. So yes, you are taking a mortgage deduction for your yacht. This is a SUBSIDY.



Quite a statement you made there. You know this? Are you sure? (there is a hint here if you can manage to comprehend the drift)

How about yourself? Do you own your home? Have a mortgage? Take the deduction? Are you on welfare? Do you get food stamps? How badly do you slurp at the socialist pig trough?

But of course you're entitled, being the true believer that you are.




I don't own a home or have a mortgage. I am not on welfare and I do not receive food stamps. Satisfied?

Besides which, I'm not the one complaining about taxation and redistribution, remember? You are.

Again, Yachtie, this is about YOUR hypocrisy. I'm not a hypocrite. Again, just stating the facts.

You would do much more for your position if you just admitted that you are, in fact, a hypocrite.

To say you don't believe in redistribution, but then take a subsidy on your yacht is being a hypocrite.

Hypocrite - defn - a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings




You are either incapable of reading, comprehension, both, or plain laziness. SEE ABOVE ^^^ I PAID CASH. Yet you continue to make your false claim and have the nerve to call me a hypocrite (no matter your lack of understanding of the issues anyway).

Also, of course you're not complaining. Why should you? You have what you want.

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 2:42:22 PM   
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Here is what you said:

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You goofball !!!!! ROFLMFAO... My boat is my home. My only home. You'd know that if you had read my profile.


The yacht subsidy allows deductions for those who claim their boats as their primary residence. Isn't this what you say above? Where does it say in your answer above that you paid cash?

Besides which, as you are well aware, that is not the only subsidy/government service/tax break that yacht purchasers get.

Who do you think pays for the U.S. Coast Guard?

There are more examples, but there is simply no more point to this.

If you believe that you, as an American citizen get ZERO government benefit from living in the U.S there really is no point in trying to change whatever alternate reality you are in.

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 3:07:25 PM   
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Here is what you said:

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You goofball !!!!! ROFLMFAO... My boat is my home. My only home. You'd know that if you had read my profile.


The yacht subsidy allows deductions for those who claim their boats as their primary residence. Isn't this what you say above? Where does it say in your answer above that you paid cash?

It didn't, but that's besides the point. Anyone taking the mortgage deduction is only lowering what is being taken by force (theft by any definition). This takes me back to my earlier comment you avoided. So I saw no reason to divulge what is none of your damned business. I did do so later in another comment.

Besides which, as you are well aware, that is not the only subsidy/government service/tax break that yacht purchasers get.

Who do you think pays for the U.S. Coast Guard?

Taxpayers (and associated commercial fees), and to the extent needed deficit spending. And I do not believe the CG is regarded as a social safety net program. Just FYI, except for certain acts of distress the CG is not the responder. I have private insurance in that event.

There are more examples, but there is simply no more point to this.

If you believe that you, as an American citizen get ZERO government benefit from living in the U.S there really is no point in trying to change whatever alternate reality you are in.


Of course I get certain benefits. I pay taxes every day.


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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 3:34:29 PM   
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Of course I get certain benefits. I pay taxes every day.



The working poor pay taxes too, so this makes you no different than anyone else who receives some sort of benefit from the government.

So why waste your time pointing fingers at others when you are EXACTLY the same.

100 posts later and you still don't get this do you?


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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 4:02:50 PM   
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Of course I get certain benefits. I pay taxes every day.



The working poor pay taxes too, so this makes you no different than anyone else who receives some sort of benefit from the government.

So why waste your time pointing fingers at others when you are EXACTLY the same.



Your statement is one of category error.

You equate any and all benefits as equal, thus I am no different than anyone else who receives some sort of benefit from the government.
It's akin to if you receive one you receive them all; one benefit is the same as another. It's definitional - benefit. But is that accurate?

Is a farm subsidy benefit equal to the benefit of, say, the armed forces? Is the benefit of roads the same as food stamps? Is the benefit of private insurance the same as public?

The simple fact is that not all people are the same categorically with respect to receipt of government benefits. The distinction as to the differences is what you seem to avoid.

100 posts later and you still don't get this do you?

Well, one of us certainly doesn't.


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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 4:04:14 PM   
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My motto is; if we don't like having so many poor people, then quit enacting laws that create so many of them.



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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 4:14:19 PM   
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My motto is; if we don't like having so many poor people, then quit enacting laws that create so many of them.






But I'm constantly told that poverty can be solved by throwing money at it and/or by legislation. These people who tell me this are smart, aren't they? I don't think that will work, but who am I to say otherwise. It's not like we've had enough time to assess the success of the program(s). I mean, it's only been since the 60s.

[admitted snark]


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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 4:15:06 PM   
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who has told you this?  

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 4:18:32 PM   
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who has told you this?  



The people of the leftist persuasion. I first remember seeing some of them on TV. Back in the 60s. Something about Great Society, or something to that effect.


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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 4:24:32 PM   
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Oh, I never remember anyone saying that in those years. 

I do remember Dick Cheney telling us that 'Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter'. And perhaps that is what you heard.

I remember Tricky Dicky Nixon saying (as he signed away the bretton woods gold standard agreement) 'We're ALL Kenyesian's now.'  And perhaps that is what you heard.

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 4:32:04 PM   
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Oh, I never remember anyone saying that in those years. 

I do remember Dick Cheney telling us that 'Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter'. And perhaps that is what you heard.

I remember Tricky Dicky Nixon saying (as he signed away the bretton woods gold standard agreement) 'We're ALL Kenyesian's now.'  And perhaps that is what you heard.


Nope, but they'll do for their own excoriations. Nixon opened Pandora's economic box and Reagan listened to what the stars (an in universe, not Hollywood) were telling him. Either that or his wife's conversing with Eleanor Roosevelt.


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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 4:37:41 PM   
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For in the final analysis, our most basic common link, is that we all inhabit this small planet, we all breathe the same air, we all cherish our children's futures, and we are all mortal. JFK



For all of JFK's faults, are you aware he was considering issuing from the Treasury non-interest bearing (constitutional) currency, circumventing the FED?

That had direct bearing on poverty. Quite libertarian too.

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 4:48:38 PM   
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If that is true why the constant sniviling about those of us who feed at the public trough?


Simple. You misunderstand my motive, even though made seriously and in good humor.

I have noticed no good humor from you thus far...only sniviling and snark.

The simple fact is, the more you all burden the system the faster it will collapse and the sooner this country can get back to, hopefully, some semblance of freedom and liberty.

The simple fact is you have no clue what you are talking about. Ms. rand wrote the book on libretarian philosophy and you have no clue what it says but you pimp the major talking points of the ignorant fools who have read one or two of her books and think you actually understand it.

I even went so far as to mention Pravda telling us not to go down that road.

When you exibit some understanding of the rusian government then you might be able to quote one of their newspapers

I'd prefer it not collapse, but that would require what you are not willing to do. You can call it sniveling all you want. I call it pointing at the problem.

The problem is that you have no clue what the problem is. You have no clue why I get a government check every month...but somehow you feel it is wrong.
Perhaps if you were to acquaint yourself with the facts of any given subject before you attach your puerile opinions, your post would not appear so foolish and uninformed.




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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 4:50:29 PM   
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Of course I get certain benefits. I pay taxes every day.



The working poor pay taxes too, so this makes you no different than anyone else who receives some sort of benefit from the government.

So why waste your time pointing fingers at others when you are EXACTLY the same.



Your statement is one of category error.

You equate any and all benefits as equal, thus I am no different than anyone else who receives some sort of benefit from the government.
It's akin to if you receive one you receive them all; one benefit is the same as another. It's definitional - benefit. But is that accurate?

Is a farm subsidy benefit equal to the benefit of, say, the armed forces? Is the benefit of roads the same as food stamps? Is the benefit of private insurance the same as public?

The simple fact is that not all people are the same categorically with respect to receipt of government benefits. The distinction as to the differences is what you seem to avoid.

100 posts later and you still don't get this do you?

Well, one of us certainly doesn't.



You just want, desperately, to believe you are somehow different. But you are not. You are just like all the rest of us. Someone who pays taxes and gets government services in return. Sorry, but the distinctions you are trying to make don't wash. Everything you list above including roads are REDISTRIBUTION. You don't support the concept of redistribution. And now you are making a very sad attempt to categorize the benefits that YOU receive as somehow being above judgment, but the benefits that OTHERS receive as being wrong. This is again hypocritical. It is all redistribution. You can define and redefine all you want in your own head. It is still all going to be redistribution from society's perspective. Someone who pays less for food because of farm subsidies is not really all that different from someone who pays less for food because of food stamps. My tax dollar has gone to make food cheaper for BOTH of you. You really think you are self-sufficient?!

Look, I understand the huge dissonance that you must be feeling. You are a beneficiary of government services. I know how difficult it must be for you because you feel you want to be independent and not rely on government at all. In fact I don't know how you are able to live knowing that practically every purchase you make, even of food, is government subsidized. Then perhaps, and I mean this sincerely, you really should consider a different country of residence, so that you don't have to be burdened with either taxes or with having to take all this government assistance that you are currently taking. Again, no one is forcing you to stay here and put up with having to spend other people's hard earned money. You can take your own money (and your home) (well actually, part of your money and your home is actually mine because my tax dollars helped subsidize your yacht - the yacht building industry is a huge recipient of government subsidies, but regardless) take what's currently yours and sail to some other part of the world, and not pay taxes, and not rely on the U.S. government. Again, unless something prevents you from physically moving, you can do this and save yourself the obvious anger that you feel because of REDISTRIBUTION. But you are, as long as you live here, a recipient of countless government assistance programs. Countless.

Hypocrite - a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

p.s. poverty can never be solved. It is part of the human condition. The only thing that can be addressed is whether we are civilized enough as human beings to manage poverty in a somewhat humane way. Again, you don't have to be part of civilization if you don't want to be.


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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 4:54:22 PM   
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You are either incapable of reading, comprehension, both, or plain laziness. SEE ABOVE ^^^ I PAID CASH. Yet you continue to make your false claim and have the nerve to call me a hypocrite (no matter your lack of understanding of the issues anyway).


Where is your boat parked? Unless it is in your mom's back yard it is on federal or state property.
If you find that your sailing talent is exceeded by your desire it would be the coast guard and not private enterprise that will come to your rescue. This would be a cost far beyond anything you have paid in taxes for your whole life.

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RE: In response to Pat Robertson's comments, Liberal Ta... - 3/7/2012 5:00:03 PM   
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If that is true why the constant sniviling about those of us who feed at the public trough?


Simple. You misunderstand my motive, even though made seriously and in good humor.

I have noticed no good humor from you thus far...only sniviling and snark.

Well, in that instance I did mean it sincerely and in good humor.

The simple fact is, the more you all burden the system the faster it will collapse and the sooner this country can get back to, hopefully, some semblance of freedom and liberty.

The simple fact is you have no clue what you are talking about. Ms. rand wrote the book on libretarian philosophy and you have no clue what it says but you pimp the major talking points of the ignorant fools who have read one or two of her books and think you actually understand it.

So says you. Guess that makes it fact. My bad

I even went so far as to mention Pravda telling us not to go down that road.

When you exibit some understanding of the rusian government then you might be able to quote one of their newspapers

see above

I'd prefer it not collapse, but that would require what you are not willing to do. You can call it sniveling all you want. I call it pointing at the problem.

The problem is that you have no clue what the problem is. You have no clue why I get a government check every month...but somehow you feel it is wrong.
Perhaps if you were to acquaint yourself with the facts of any given subject before you attach your puerile opinions, your post would not appear so foolish and uninformed.







I never address you specifically. How could I? I neither know you nor your situation. I never even implied that I think your receiving a government check every month is wrong. Hell, I sincerely wished you well. I mean it. For as long as it lasts.




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