RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion



Message

MrRodgers -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 2:25:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

-- NOT SOME ENTITLEMENT PIECE OF SHIT LEFTY-RAT THAT'S GOING TO ONE OF THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS LAW SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTRY THAT WANTS OTHERS TO PAY FOR HER TO FUCK-UP-A-STORM DURING LAW SCHOOL!!!

Clear enough for you to "undertand" now?!! [8|]



You might want to actually read the transcript... Fluke was speaking of a friend who was lesbian and needed BC pills for health problems that were not pregnancy related... When you don't pay attention, your ignorance shows.



Ahhh... but you see, I HAVE read the transcript... and paid special attention to her little rant about how contraception can cost upwards of "$3,000" -- and also noted that the Sandra Pay-for-Me-To Fuck never once stated, that her little plea should be LIMITED to ONLY those with an ACTUAL HEALTH ISSUE.  So you see, when YOU don't pay attention, YOUR ignorance shows.  Work on that. [8|]



...except yours is all opinion. Your opinion as to some disdain for her assessment of the cost of contraception and your subjective assessment just as to whom she was or was not limiting or directing her comments to or about, all of which has almost nothing to do with the issue at hand.

The whole debate is a ruse by the right in yet another cheap, political attempt to try any means to denigrate and falsely...this particular legislation.



fucktoyprincess -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 2:33:51 PM)

FR

Pregnancy and childbirth and the raising of children all present healthcare issues of the most basic, important kind.

Therefore, prevention of pregnancy is ABSOLUTELY a health concern.

PERIOD. END OF STORY.

People can debate about whether or not they want to cover contraception in their health care plan.

But one argument that cannot be used is that contraception has nothing to do with health. That is wrong.

So if one is going to carve it out, there needs to be some valid reason for that that explains why one can carve out something like contraception, but not other things.

And if no one can offer a valid reason, then I think it is reasonable to view the carve out as anti-woman.

I have yet to see someone offer up a valid reason for why contraception, in particular, should be carved out, as opposed to any other given thing. I can think of many things off the top of my head that cost much, much more. Again, why should those be covered, but not this? I have yet to see someone give a coherent answer to that.

And the long-run cost of not covering contraception seems to me to be too high. So even from an economic standpoint, the carveout makes no sense. Again, I have yet to see someone give a coherent answer as to why the expense of unwanted children is okay for insurance to cover, but the cost of contraception is not.

There is NO other way to interpret the overall attack that has been made against contraception, abortion and women's health and against those who are speaking in favor of these things, other than a "war on women".

Although there has been a lot of hand-wringing, ad hominem attack, and vitriol, no one here has convinced me otherwise.





MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 2:43:57 PM)

 
Quite the imagination, indeed. [8|]




tazzygirl -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 2:43:57 PM)

~FR

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. ~ Albert Einstein

He was a smart cookie.

Its extremely obvious to anyone who is sane that there is an attack by our governmental offices against women and children. Continuing to argue with someone who refuses to take blinders off will not change the fact that thy are still wearing blinders. This country is a battle field, the war being waged by those who believe their morals are the only proper ones to follow. And you best bow down to accept their morals, else you are any one of the names certain posters have been flinging about.

My presence in this thread is at an end unless the situation changes. There are battles worth being fought... people... is continuing the fight and insanity this thread has become worth it?



fucktoyprincess -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 2:47:46 PM)

[sm=agree.gif]




Lucylastic -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 2:55:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. ~ Albert Einstein

He was a smart cookie.

Its extremely obvious to anyone who is sane that there is an attack by our governmental offices against women and children. Continuing to argue with someone who refuses to take blinders off will not change the fact that thy are still wearing blinders. This country is a battle field, the war being waged by those who believe their morals are the only proper ones to follow. And you best bow down to accept their morals, else you are any one of the names certain posters have been flinging about.

My presence in this thread is at an end unless the situation changes. There are battles worth being fought... people... is continuing the fight and insanity this thread has become worth it?

The only aspect I have interest in Tazzy is informing of even more ridiculousness. Ive got enough idiots in my horizon without including wilful ignorance here. I havent(so far) had any of my posts questioned:) or ridiculed by the ignorant



Lucylastic -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 2:56:46 PM)

For example
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/13/fired-for-using-birth-control-it-could-be-possible-in-arizona/
another stupid possibility?



BitaTruble -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 2:57:06 PM)

[sm=agree.gif] with FTP's agreement but will capitulate as soon as it is scientifically proven that all women who use contraception do so for the purpose of birth control so they can have sex.

Oh, wait.. I use condoms as balloons for Wedding Showers and Bachorlette parties. They make for a great decoration especially with the little sperm tails I make for them. Condoms also make great holders for Kool-aid ice pops. Pour in the kool-aid, freeze and enjoy.. you know, if you want to eat your kool-aid rather than drink it. [;)]



MrRodgers -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 2:58:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail



See... I "BUY" lots of things... things I don't expect anyone else to pay for -- neat how that work, huh?!! [8|]




Well we've had this discussion before on another thread, but let's reiterate.

A lot of food in the U.S. is subsidized. The roads you travel on were paid for by tax dollars (or do you never use paved roads). The defense of the U.S. border takes place with tax dollars. Even private and parochial schools receive government assistance in the form of non-profit status (I am going to assume, for the sake of argument, that you are educated).

So tell me again how you pay for everything that you use yourself?? Explain that to me. Because I've just cited four things that you do not pay for ENTIRELY by yourself. And that is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of things that you likely don't pay for entirely by yourself. Again, nice try, but it doesn't really hold up.

And, by the way, you seem to have some serious anger issues. We are having a debate and discussion here about IDEAS. I'm not attacking you personally. I am trying to discuss the ideas that YOU are choosing to put forth here. If you can't defend yourself, then concede. But the ad hominem attacks are unnecessary. I don't personally use oral contraception, so PLEASE STOP REFERRING TO ME AS IF I DO. I'm here to discuss the idea of women's health not to defend my own personal use of oral contraception. I'm not asking anyone to pay anything for ME personally. OKAY. IS THAT CLEAR. I can defend other's rights to proper medical care even if I'm not using oral contraception. The two are not linked. So, please get back to the discussion at hand and CEASE AND DESIST on the angry ad hominem attacks.


MSLA does not care to understand or at least objectively I think. Almost...almost everything in our lives is to some degree and at some level...subsidized by govt. The big picture of govt. being involved in business is huge and for arguments sake, even the CATO inst. says it's $trillion a year in total...is corporate welfare.

This belies the idea that capitalism is full of and encourages risk-takers. [It] does no such thing and in fact, quite the opposite.

By far, most economic risk is assumed by govt., lenders and investors...not the profiteers. (management)




mnottertail -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 2:59:35 PM)

Oh, wait.. I use condoms as balloons for Wedding Showers and Bachorlette parties. They make for a great decoration especially with the little sperm tails I make for them. Condoms also make great holders for Kool-aid ice pops. Pour in the kool-aid, freeze and enjoy.. you know, if you want to eat your kool-aid rather than drink it.

Would you consider any of that a health issue?  Do you think the vast majority of women do the balloons and popsicles?

These are the true questions we are dealing with. 



MrBukani -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 3:05:20 PM)

I think we can agree Holland is one of the most liberal democRAT[:D] countries in the world. Although we are going through a rightwing period like the rest of Europe.
Birthcontrol pills cost inbetween 5 and 25 dollars a month here.
I just read up on it and its still insured here untill 21 years old, after that its up to people themselves.
Nobody here sees it as a war on women, its just another spending cut.
So I assume as with many things this is an american take on it.
I am very liberal but rather call it social-liberal.
I do not see it as a war on women.
But in all the context of anti abortion etc. it seems to get thrown in one pile as anti-female.

-edit- but maybe Im missing a point made.



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 3:09:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
...tell me again how you pay for everything that you use yourself??


Via cash, check, or credit card -- for either the things I buy outright, or through my taxes... FOR THE THINGS I USE MYSELF -- and last time I checked, I'm NOT "using" Sandra Freebie-Fuck's vagina or uterus. She can pay for those things herself.


quote:


...you seem to have some serious anger issues.


You seem to have serious perception issues... not wanting to pay for someone else's sex life does not render one angry, but rational.


quote:


I am trying to discuss the ideas that YOU are choosing to put forth here.


And I've addressed them.


quote:


If you can't defend yourself...


I have... much to the dismay of the "Give me FREE stuff" crowd.


quote:


I'm here to discuss the idea of women's health


Good, so stop equating FREE birth control to a "women's health" issue.  It's not.  If it were, then at puberty, EVERY girl/woman on the planet would begin taking birth control to be "healthy" -- and would do so for the remainder of her life.  Hint:  This doesn't happen... why do you think that is?!!  Because, logically, it's NOT a "women's health issue"!!!  For some, yes... for the vast majority, no!!!

And again, your false perceptions of some alleged anger is your own failing. CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU?!!




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 3:11:50 PM)

 
Again, quite the imagination... indeed. [8|]




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 3:14:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I use condoms as balloons for Wedding Showers and Bachorlette parties.



Note to self... NEVER attend one of mnottertail's gatherings without gloves. [:(]




tazzygirl -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 3:16:54 PM)

quote:

The only aspect I have interest in Tazzy is informing of even more ridiculousness. Ive got enough idiots in my horizon without including wilful ignorance here. I havent(so far) had any of my posts questioned:) or ridiculed by the ignorant


Amazingly enough, neither have I, beyond being told I was not worth talking too.

lol

I assure you there is no need to send flowers. My recovery was instantaneous.



Lucylastic -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 3:25:51 PM)

[sm=hippie.gif]yayyyy you:) heheheh
I might be heading out Pitts burgh way in two weeks!!
Im off for two weeks with my pet:)



tazzygirl -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 3:34:28 PM)

yayyyy you.

Let me know when you are here. We can meet up for lunch or dinner.



Lucylastic -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 3:35:24 PM)

Brilliant:)



BitaTruble -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 3:39:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Would you consider any of that a health issue? 


Of course! Women who are about to be wed are, obviously, mentally unstable or the divorce rate wouldn't be so high and it's proven fact that it is most often a woman who asks for a divorce, not a man! [;)]

Do you think the vast majority of women do the balloons and popsicles?

They do once they've been to one of my killer parties.

[:D]



kalikshama -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 4:10:26 PM)

quote:

so stop equating FREE birth control to a "women's health" issue.


Again:

Paying for insurance and getting certain items without a copay /= free contraception. It comes with the policy for which you have paid. Free preventative care is part of the Affordable Care Act. Working to undermine the ACA is part of the GOP War on Women.

Contraception is considered preventative care;

# Co-payments, co-insurance, and deductibles are to be eliminated for select health care insurance benefits considered to be part of an "essential benefits package"[28] for Level A or Level B preventive care.[29]

http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf

‘‘SEC. 2713 ø42 U.S.C. 300gg–13¿. COVERAGE OF PREVENTIVE HEALTH SERVICES.
‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—A group health plan and a health insurance
issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall,
at a minimum provide coverage for and shall not impose any cost
sharing requirements for—
‘‘(1) evidence-based items or services that have in effect a
rating of ‘A’ or ‘B’ in the current recommendations of the
United States Preventive Services Task Force;
‘‘(2) immunizations that have in effect a recommendation
from the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention with respect to the
individual involved; and
‘‘(3) with respect to infants, children, and adolescents, evidence-
informed preventive care and screenings provided for in
the comprehensive guidelines supported by the Health Resources
and Services Administration.
‘‘(4) with respect to women, such additional preventive
care and screenings not described in paragraph (1) as provided
for in comprehensive guidelines supported by the Health Resources
and Services Administration for purposes of this paragraph.
‘‘(5) for the purposes of this Act, and for the purposes of
any other provision of law, the current recommendations of the
United States Preventive Service Task Force regarding breast
cancer screening, mammography, and prevention shall be considered
the most current other than those issued in or around
November 2009.

Links in original post http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4059595



Page: <<   < prev  9 10 [11] 12 13   next >   >>

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.046875