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MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/12/2012 8:31:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

Women still die from childbirth.



So what?!!  People (in fact MORE people) "still die" from car accidents.  Soooooo... this has fuck all to do with FORCING OTHERS TO PAY FOR YOUR CHOICE TO HAVE SEX HOW?!! [8|]


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Women who because of poverty have limited access to pre-natal care are even more likely to suffer serious, sometimes fatal issues during pregnancy and labor. Around 5% of women develop Type II diabetes during pregnancy. Around 5% of women develop asthma during pregnancy. Around 2-18% of women develop some form of hypertension during pregnancy.



So again, ZERO that affects the "VAST MAJORITY" of U.S. women, and certainly NOTHING that warrants FORCING OTHERS TO PAY FOR YOUR CHOICE TO HAVE SEX!!!   Don't wanna risk a pregnancy, then PAY FOR YOUR OWN DAMN CONTRACEPTION, and should you get pregnant, I'm sure your pals at PLANNED PARENTHOOD can solve the issue for you. [8|]





MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/12/2012 8:35:44 PM)

FR

Apparently some violence/anti-free-speech advocating democRATS don't like being ignored.  tsk... tsk... tsk. [8|]





PeonForHer -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/12/2012 8:40:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

FR

Apparently some violence/anti-free-speech advocating democRATS don't like being ignored.  tsk... tsk... tsk. [8|]




[:D] I wouldn't worry about your adversaries having free speech, MSLA. You leave most of us speechless anyway.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/12/2012 8:49:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer



Unlike the Libs/DemocRATS, I don't advocate violence against, or anti-free-speech of, those who don't share my views.





MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/12/2012 8:51:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


BTW... I'd slap you if I didn't already know you'd ENJOY it ! ! ! [;)][8D][:D]








SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/12/2012 11:42:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arturas
Thanks for the reply.

Yes. I've read the 19th. It gave women the same right men had to vote. How does that suggest the fictious "right of contraception" is supported by the adoption of the 19th amendment?

"You're surely aware...". Please explain how past discrimination figures into this discussion? Are you saying not paying for women's contraceptives in an insurance policy is discrimination because, what, because men have theirs paid for already, or what?

Thanks ahead of time.
Arturas

Because viagra... and Cialais, and all the other Things to help pathetic old men who cant get it up get it up to get it on...

ARE COVERED BY INSURANCE...

I need to take depo prevera, if i want to not die by blood loss via my vagina....

With out this medication i will be dead within 6 months.

I had to fight for almost 3 years to get my insurance to cover something thats medically necessary for me to continue to breathing... during that time every 3 months i had to pay over 100 dollars just to be able to live..


I am not a christian, I do not believe life begins at conception, I do not believe that having sex is a sin..

Why the fuck is my goverment trying to tell me what i should and should not believe? Why are they trying to tell me that i must undergo being raped, so that i can get a valid medical procedure to save my life?

Hmm?

Oh thats right... Im a girl.,..and enjoying sex for me is a crime..

I dont have sex, i havent had sex for the last nearly 3 years...

I still will die if i dont take a shot every three months....

I have a hormonal imbalance the causes my body to never stop my period..

There are a few hundred other reproductive diseases that the hormones in birthcontrol help control or alleviate...







MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 12:21:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

viagra... and Cialais, and all the other Things to help pathetic old men who cant get it up get it up to get it on... ARE COVERED BY INSURANCE...



They're "covered", yes... but not FREE... just as Lipitor, Celebrex, and other scrips are "covered", but still require a co-pay.

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I had to fight for almost 3 years to get my insurance to cover something thats medically necessary for me to continue to breathing... during that time every 3 months i had to pay over 100 dollars just to be able to live.



If your insurance company was not "covering" your very obvious life-saving meds at all -- i.e., no option for a reduced rate/co-pay, and you were responsible for 100% of the cost -- then that's just fucking wrong!!!  You CLEARLY have a serious medical condition that warrants coverage/prescription drug co-pay.





SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 1:01:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

viagra... and Cialais, and all the other Things to help pathetic old men who cant get it up get it up to get it on... ARE COVERED BY INSURANCE...



They're "covered", yes... but not FREE... just as Lipitor, Celebrex, and other scrips are "covered", but still require a co-pay.

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I had to fight for almost 3 years to get my insurance to cover something thats medically necessary for me to continue to breathing... during that time every 3 months i had to pay over 100 dollars just to be able to live.



If your insurance company was not "covering" your very obvious life-saving meds at all -- i.e., no option for a reduced rate/co-pay, and you were responsible for 100% of the cost -- then that's just fucking wrong!!!  You CLEARLY have a serious medical condition that warrants coverage/prescription drug co-pay.




I think my paying 20 bucks for a very easily obtained drug, isnt okay when viagra is only 2 bucks to refill.. 2 bucks is less then the cost to buy condoms...

I still have to fight and mail over medical records each and every time i try to fill my prescription for depo...

I have actually on hand 30 plus copies so i dont have to go through that extra step..

But to survive..

I have to fax over my medical records saying its medically necessary
Pay 30 dollars to my obgyn... to visit... to be told its medically necessary
my doctor has to call the insurance company referencing my fax with medical records... saying its medically necessary
I have to go to the pharmacy and get the prescription declined because my insurance doesnt cover it..
have my doctor call again..
fax my medical records again..

then 2 weeks later take my fax saying im approved to get this prescription to the pharmacy.
Sit at the pharmacy while they call my insurance... to make sure..

Then hand over 20 bucks to get the shot...


Guy wants to get hard?

Goes to the doc gets the script emailed over to the pharmacy pays 2 bucks.. goes home... gets hard...

This is why i have an issue with people... trying to dictate what is and isnt necessary..

I dont mind paying for my birth control.. I mind having to go through a months worth of bullshit to get a prescription so i dont die...

Every 3 months.. I go through this..

Why?

because birth control is only for sluts... who dont know how to keep her legs closed...




SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 1:26:56 AM)

But MSLA I am responsible by my increasing health costs, to pay for a mans viagra, and the idiots who choose to breed..

Im responsible for the over 250,000 dollars of a woman deciding to have a baby...

How is that at all fair...




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 1:51:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

I think my paying 20 bucks for a very easily obtained drug, isnt okay when viagra is only 2 bucks to refill.



If I were to guess, I'd think the cost-structure/differential has more to do with supply and demand and economies of scale.  I'd guess BILLIONS of pecker-pills are produced every year, where I doubt your med is produced in such great numbers?!!

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I still have to fight and mail over medical records each and every time i try to fill my prescription for depo.

I have actually on hand 30 plus copies so i dont have to go through that extra step.

I have to fax over my medical records saying its medically necessary

Pay 30 dollars to my obgyn... to visit... to be told its medically necessary


my doctor has to call the insurance company referencing my fax with medical records... saying its medically necessary

I have to go to the pharmacy and get the prescription declined because my insurance doesnt cover it.

have my doctor call again..


fax my medical records again..

then 2 weeks later take my fax saying im approved to get this prescription to the pharmacy.

Sit at the pharmacy while they call my insurance... to make sure.

Then hand over 20 bucks to get the shot...



That is fucking INSANE!!!  You should simply be allocated "x" number of refills, just like any other prescription... period!!!  Out of curiosity, have you ever asked to speak with the Pharmacy Manager about this... to see if there's some way to ensure this doesn't happen each and every fucking time?!!  Or maybe go to a different pharmacy?!!


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I dont mind paying for my birth control.



You're not actually paying for JUST "birth control", you're paying for NECESSARY MEDICATION, that just happens to be birth control.  But you see, that's the difference in this entire debate that's taking place... here YOU absolutely NEED this medication to SURVIVE -- and are perfectly fine PAYING for it.  Others?!!  They just want FREE BIRTH CONTROL. 


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Every 3 months.. I go through this.. Why?  because birth control is only for sluts...



You SHOULDN'T be going through ANY of this!!!  Which is even MORE reason why those who just want FREE BIRTH CONTROL (for the purpose of... yanno... "birth control") aren't any better than YOU or anyone else that has to pay for their own prescription meds.  Let them pay for their own fucking sex life, while YOU are just trying to survive!!!





tazzygirl -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 2:00:12 AM)

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They're "covered", yes... but not FREE... just as Lipitor, Celebrex, and other scrips are "covered", but still require a co-pay.


You dropped the antibiotic from your previous post.. yet you still insist that other "scrips" all come with a co pay.

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So do me a favor... drop the pretense here. You have no clue what you are talking about.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 2:37:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

But MSLA I am responsible by my increasing health costs, to pay for a mans viagra, and the idiots who choose to breed..



Yes and no... they have to pay both their health insurance, and their co-pay.  The debate here is those on the Left want a ZERO co-pay for birth control.  That's bullshit, when others, LIKE YOU, have take life-saving meds, but STILL have a co-pay.

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Im responsible for the over 250,000 dollars of a woman deciding to have a baby.

How is that at all fair.



It's not.... and you can thank Barocolli O'Fuckup, the DemocRATS and ObamaCare for that!!!  Why?!!  Because when they had the chance to actually do something about Health Insurance coverage, they produced a 2,000+ page, $1 TRILLION dollar nightmare that MANDATED all insurance plans MUST provide "X", "Y", "Z" -- for FREE!!!

The result?!!  Despite the Liar-in-Chief stating Health Insurance costs would go DOWN?  They went UP!!!  Despite the Liar-in-Chief stating, "You can keep your current plan", YOU CAN'T -- unless you're prepared to PAY MORE, or if you're a "faith based" organization, then your religious rights are trampled upon by being FORCED to offer something that violates your faith's beliefs.

What would have solved YOUR problem would have been simple... there are OVER 1,000 Health Insurance carriers in the United States -- but not all are allowed to cross State lines.  Thus, the SOLUTION to bringing down costs (and making health insurance available/affordable) would have been:

1.  Allow ALL Health Insurance Carriers to cross State lines

2.  Allow ALL Health Insurance Carriers to offer Customized plans, like Auto Insurance Plans do -- i.e., if you don't need maternity care, chiropractic care, phychiatric care, or whatever, then you DON'T check that box, and ONLY pay for what you want/need.  This would ENSURE you're not paying for all those folks having "babies" and such, for example, and YOUR PREMIUMS would be significantly LOWER, because your plan doesn't have to cover you for shit you DON'T need.

3.  No denial for a "pre-existing condition" -- with a premium upcharge of no more than UP TO 20%, depending upon said pre-existing condition.

4.  Allow consumers to deduct their Health Insurance premiums from their taxable income (up to say $5,000 per year) -- just like a BUSINESS does.


But OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOO... the Asshole-in-Chief and the DemocRATS passed (after bribes and backroom deals) a 2,000+ page, $1 TRILLION dollar abortion of a Bill that RAISED health insurance premiums (not lowered them), are FORCING religious organizations to offer things that VIOLATE their religious beliefs, are cutting $500 BILLION dollars from Medicare, and for the FIRST TIME IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY have mandated that YOU MUST (as a condition of fucking breathing) BUY A PRIVATE PRODUCT (Health Insurance) -- and if you don't, then you're FINED and have to answer to THE FUCKING INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE?!! 

Oh yeah... great fucking plan?!! [8|]





SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 3:20:28 AM)

But I am because I'm one of the 50 percent of women that can be helped by taking a medication that has more then one use...

Because its labeled birth control over hormine replacement.. it isn't covered..

It's the insurance I have to fight the pharmacy I use is irrelevant...

My company doesn't cover birth control...plain simple period.. regardless of laws..

Thanks to iamsemisweet I got my shot covered.. but only with proof...

I also do cover the cost of every Tom Dick and Harry that has a kid with my premiums... Across the board increases happen because of needs to fund costs.. 200k is quite a cost......

But..again.. only sluts who have sex could ever need birth control... So..




kalikshama -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 5:23:43 AM)

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People PAY for health insurance and scripts like Lipitor, Celebrex, various antibotics, and so forth are "prescribed by doctors" too -- but THOSE SCRIPTS ARE NOT FREE!!!  The Libs/Lefties, however, want contraception to be COMPLETELY FREE under the guise of their FABRICATED FALSE PREMISE that contraception is an alleged "health" issue, when it's not.

If contraception is, in fact, a "health" issue, then answer this simple question:

What DISEASE/ILLNESS affecting the VAST MAJORITY of U.S. women warrants mandating FREE CONTRACEPTION under the guise of an alleged "health" issue?!!


I just scanned the entire Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act for "vast majority," did not find one single instance of the term, and don't understand why you're on about it.

Paying for insurance and getting certain items without a copay /= free contraception. It comes with the policy for which you have paid. Free preventative care is part of the Affordable Care Act. Working to undermine the ACA is part of the GOP War on Women.

Contraception is considered preventative care;

# Co-payments, co-insurance, and deductibles are to be eliminated for select health care insurance benefits considered to be part of an "essential benefits package"[28] for Level A or Level B preventive care.[29]

http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf

‘‘SEC. 2713 ø42 U.S.C. 300gg–13¿. COVERAGE OF PREVENTIVE HEALTH SERVICES.
‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—A group health plan and a health insurance
issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall,
at a minimum provide coverage for and shall not impose any cost
sharing requirements for—
‘‘(1) evidence-based items or services that have in effect a
rating of ‘A’ or ‘B’ in the current recommendations of the
United States Preventive Services Task Force;
‘‘(2) immunizations that have in effect a recommendation
from the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention with respect to the
individual involved; and
‘‘(3) with respect to infants, children, and adolescents, evidence-
informed preventive care and screenings provided for in
the comprehensive guidelines supported by the Health Resources
and Services Administration.
‘‘(4) with respect to women, such additional preventive
care and screenings not described in paragraph (1) as provided
for in comprehensive guidelines supported by the Health Resources
and Services Administration
for purposes of this paragraph.
‘‘(5) for the purposes of this Act, and for the purposes of
any other provision of law, the current recommendations of the
United States Preventive Service Task Force regarding breast
cancer screening, mammography, and prevention shall be considered
the most current other than those issued in or around
November 2009.




kalikshama -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 5:25:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminGamma
I also recommend you may want to keep a copy of posts in a word processor program in case they must be pulled. If you had a post pulled and wish a copy, please contact me. Because of the vast number of posts that required pulled, it may take some time to get it back to you, but I will. Any who have contacted me, know I will reply.


Thanks, Gamma. Could you please send me copies of my last five posts? For me, they both went to the crux of the issue here and contained quite a lot of thought and feeling.

You can be *completely* assured that I will make copies of my posts in future.


Hi Peon,

If you haven't gotten your posts back already, do ask Gamma directly - I did and she did.




kalikshama -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 5:31:45 AM)

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My company doesn't cover birth control...plain simple period.. regardless of laws..

Thanks to iamsemisweet I got my shot covered.. but only with proof...


Yay!

Shameful that they are flouting a law that has been in effect for 12 years due to an EEOC ruling. The only thing that is new is that under the ACA, preventative care now has no co-pay (see my earlier post).

Most of Obama's "Controversial" Birth Control Rule Was Law During Bush Years

The right has freaked out over an Obama administration rule requiring employers to offer birth control to their employees. Most companies already had to do that.

In December 2000, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that companies that provided prescription drugs to their employees but didn't provide birth control were in violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex. That opinion, which the George W. Bush administration did nothing to alter or withdraw when it took office the next month, is still in effect today—and because it relies on Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, it applies to all employers with 15 or more employees. Employers that don't offer prescription coverage or don't offer insurance at all are exempt, because they treat men and women equally—but under the EEOC's interpretation of the law, you can't offer other preventative care coverage without offering birth control coverage, too.

"It was, we thought at the time, a fairly straightforward application of Title VII principles," a top former EEOC official who was involved in the decision told Mother Jones. "All of these plans covered Viagra immediately, without thinking, and they were still declining to cover prescription contraceptives. It's a little bit jaw-dropping to see what is going on now…There was some press at the time but we issued guidances that were far, far more controversial."




Hillwilliam -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 5:33:46 AM)

As MSLA is so dead set against zero copay BC, I have this serious question for you.

I assume you pay into an insurance pool as do I. Which would you rather see your insurance company pay for?

Would you rather see them pay an extra $10/month to cover the copay for birth control or would you rather have them pay to deliver 15 babies and cover the cost of any complications because some married woman's husband decides she needs to start squirting out brats every 11 or so months?

I daresay the vast majority of birth control is taken by MONOGAMOUS, MARRIED women.

Monogamous married couples fuck believe it or not and those who can't afford the copay are, by definition, frequently poor. This means that most EVERY baby they squirt out is going to be on assistance paid for by Me and you.

Again, what is going to take less money out of YOUR pocket?

Does it make more sense to pay an extra 30 cents a day to make sure that someone doesn't breed or would you rather see a few hundred thousand "18 kids and counting" families filling up Section 8 housing and schools that you and I pay for?




kalikshama -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 5:34:24 AM)

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My company doesn't cover birth control...plain simple period.. regardless of laws..

Thanks to iamsemisweet I got my shot covered.. but only with proof...


If you detail what you had to do to get your company to cover your shot, you'll no doubt be helping others. There are a lot of lurkers who never post.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 5:42:30 AM)

I'll be frank. You actually do not understand the law that is being debated.

And you never responded to my post about the costs of children. Seeing as you don't believe oral contraceptives should be covered, and other forms of birth control are not as effective, then I guess you are on board with paying for all of those extra children who are going to be born. As long as you are willing to fork over $200,000 of your own money for each additional child that comes along, then I don't need to debate this anymore. Glad to see you are planning to be so generous with your money.

It somewhat begs the question of why you feel you can't help people pay for their contraceptives, but you are willing to pay $200,000 for each child. The most expensive oral contraceptive would not cost $200,000. What part of the math here is not clear to you. You are complaining about contribution towards contraception, but you don't object to paying for the extra children. Your argument makes ZERO sense.

Plus what is this constant use of "vast majority". What exactly is that referring to? There is no requirement that all women use contraception, so what exactly are you talking about. A lot of women are post-menopausal - in case you didn't understand, a woman who is post-menopausal does not require use of oral contraceptives for birth control. A girl who has not yet reached puberty, also does not need oral contraceptives for birth control. Many women are infertile, have hysterectomies, etc. all of which affect their ability to conceive or have children. So how exactly, are you coming up with "vast majority". Your math is not working here.

Again, you don't even understand the law that you are debating. And you don't understand the cost implications for allowing people to bring unwanted children into the world. Anyone with any math skills can see that paying for contraception is much cheaper than, as a society, having to pay for unwanted children.

So if someone I know gets pregnant from using condoms (because they are only 85% effective) can I have them contact you to write them a cheque for $200,000 - because you seem to be alright with paying for the child? You just seem upset about paying for the contraception. Really pretty amusing.

Understand that the more unwanted children born into the country - the more YOUR taxes will go up to pay for them (the cost of their birth, the cost of the child's healthcare, their education, etc. - YOU pay for all of those things currently). That's how it works. So you can either support people's efforts to prevent unwanted pregnancy, or you can pay for the children that result. Either way, YOU will personally bear SOME portion of the cost. It's just a question of how much cost as a society we are willing to take on.

Do you really think that you don't currently pay for other people's children? Really? Then you have a very poor understanding of how our economic and political system works.





fucktoyprincess -> RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women (3/13/2012 5:52:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

So what?!!  People (in fact MORE people) "still die" from car accidents.  Soooooo... this has fuck all to do with FORCING OTHERS TO PAY FOR YOUR CHOICE TO HAVE SEX HOW?!! [8|]



Yes, and people who are INJURED from car accidents still have their medical expenses covered. So again, by your own logic, contraception should be covered.

Or are you saying that people who are injured in a car accident should NOT be covered by health insurance.

Again, I am looking for some bit of consistency in your arguments - but none exist.

Injury, disease, prevention of death - these are ALL covered by health insurance. Your arguments tell us NOTHING about why contraception should have a carveout.

You have not responded to the health issues involved in pregnancy.

You have not responded to the fact that we all collectively pay for unwanted pregnancies and the children that result.

You have not responded to the fact that it is much more expensive for all of us as a whole to cover unwanted pregnancies and the children that result that it is to cover contraception.

You have not responded to the fact the health care covers a myriad of sex related issues (stds, viagra, vasectomies, cancers cause by HPV, etc. etc etc.)

You have not responded to the fact that health care covers injuries/disease that come from our own mistakes (no health care insurance only covers injuries and disease for which you are blameless). Lung cancer patients still get coverage even if they were smokers. A drunk driver who gets into an accident still gets his healthcare covered.

Again, where is any consistency in your position or argument. I don't see it.




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