RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America...

Collarspace Discussion Forums

Home Login Search

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America...

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America...

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 4 5 next > >>

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 9:57:06 AM

mnottertail

Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline

yeah the actual gig is that if it is on a wall with other flags, the flag must be furthest to the right as the audience would see it. not which direction it is in and of itself left to right.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30

(in reply to GreedyTop)

Post #: 21

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 9:57:33 AM

SternSkipper

Posts: 7546
Joined: 3/7/2004
Status: offline

quote:

Such luminaries as W and Hipshooter McCain have went to rallies and signed the flag, clearly a defacement.

Yeah, it's not like they've ever displayed the flag in vane... THIS ELECTION CYCLE that is....

Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Looking forward to The Dead Singing The National Anthem At The World Series.

Tinfoilers Swallow

(in reply to mnottertail)

Post #: 22

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 9:58:25 AM

PatrickG38

Posts: 338
Joined: 10/8/2010
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Nobody knows the flag code anymore--it's violated daily in what used to be inappropriate displays.

But yeah, this is just dumb.

Well, I know it and I'm sure that a lot of service personal and others know it, too. Not that I think Obama had FL anyway, but this will probably go viral. The GOP will jump on this and gas prices (although the blame for that should be laid at the door step of speculators). It's all they got and they will need to distract folks (especially women) from the social issues cuz those are going to kill them.

No one who would be voting for President Obama will be affected by this story which will be dead in 48 hours like most cable news stories. As for the election, it is as close to being in the bag as possible and smart Republicans know it (why do you think no serious Republican heavyweight is running this year?). So while it probably was a dumb thing to do as the people doing it should be aware it looks silly, it is inconsequential.

(in reply to BitaTruble)

Post #: 23

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 10:01:56 AM

xssve

Posts: 3589
Joined: 10/10/2009
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Additionally, the flag code is mostly should do to be proper and respectful and apple pie, I do not know of any actual consequenses in the law for not doing it.

Such luminaries as W and Hipshooter McCain have went to rallies and signed the flag, clearly a defacement.

It is easily argued that since Obamas face on field of blue with some stripes around it is not a flag, (since there were not 50 stars on it in halftone at least) but a parody.......

Nevertheless, I take everyones point. But again, there is no more illegal about it than the judge that bawled out the doofus the other day, it is just ..........fuckin.............uhhhhhhhh

Tacky.

I dunno, we had a guy here back in the early 90's got into all kinds of trouble for flying a flag upside down - he was protesting a city council decision to not allow him to paint his above ground gasoline tank at his station on Main Street - they were all obsessed with "beautification" (property values) at the time.

I'll have to see if I can google that up, but I think they made him take it down.

And Main street is just as ugly as it ever was.

_____________________________

Walking nightmare...

(in reply to mnottertail)

Post #: 24

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 10:05:34 AM

DesideriScuri

Posts: 12225
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet
OK, I will play. The flag code Includes things like not flying the flag after dark (commonly ignored, I never see anyone taking down the flag at sunset)

unless it is lit from below

quote:

not flying the flag while it is raining (also ignored)

unless it is an all-weather flag

quote:

burning or burying a worn out flag instead of throwing it away, and where the flag should be placed with respect to other flags. It should be higher, when they are hung on one pole, in the center when there are an odd number on different poles, and to the left when there are two.
Having said all that, this is a tempest in a tea pot, and only the morons who get all frothy mouthed and teary eyed about flag burning could possibly care about it.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf

quote:

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping in front of the platform, and for a decoration in general.

(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

I'm not sure what you are calling BitaTruble, et. al.

quote:

and only the morons who get all frothy mouthed and teary eyed about flag burning could possibly care about it.

(in reply to Iamsemisweet)

Post #: 25

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 10:08:47 AM

Edwynn

Posts: 4105
Joined: 10/26/2008
Status: offline

~FR~

quote:

If this is Obama doing this how come the flag wasn't up elsewhere?

quote:

Obama had nothing to do with the flag

-Looks back through the thread trying to find where anyone said Obama had anything to do with this ... -

Uhm ... I think some people need to have a third cup today, then re-read.

I have days like that too.

(in reply to GreedyTop)

Post #: 26

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 10:15:40 AM

Owner59

Posts: 17033
Joined: 3/14/2006
From: Dirty Jersey
Status: offline

I remember back when cons were accusing the president of "not saluting the flag" during the Pledge of Allegiance at an event....b/c you know.....he hates America......

Only it was during the singing of the anthem that the president didn`t have his hand over his heart,making the super patriots look super silly.

Better not let a con running for pres get caught not saluting our flag or not wearing one of those nifty flag pins.......because they`ll have to explain why they support the terrorists........

< Message edited by Owner59 -- 3/15/2012 10:16:19 AM >

_____________________________

"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals"

President Obama

(in reply to DesideriScuri)

Post #: 27

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 10:30:13 AM

RacerJim

Posts: 1583
Joined: 1/1/2004
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Nobody knows the flag code anymore--it's violated daily in what used to be inappropriate displays.

But yeah, this is just dumb.

Well, I know it and I'm sure that a lot of service personal and others know it, too. Not that I think Obama had FL anyway, but this will probably go viral. The GOP will jump on this and gas prices (although the blame for that should be laid at the door step of speculators). It's all they got and they will need to distract folks (especially women) from the social issues cuz those are going to kill them.

I guarantee lots of military personnel know it. Not that I think Obama had FL anyway either, but this should indeed go viral. Add the photo of him disrespectfully crossing his hands in front of his crotch during the playing of the National Anthem while 4-5 of his fellow 2008 Democratic primary candidates respectfully had their hand over their heart, his intentionally not wearing an American Flag lapel pin because he didn't believe he had to do so to prove his patriotism, his replacing the American Flag on the tail of his campaign jet with his campaign logo, his 2009 proposal that Veterans pay for their own healthcare including treatment for service-connected AND worst of all combat-incurred medical problems and his recently proposed reduction in the DoD budget which would drastically reduce healthcare benefits to active duty military and Veterans. I guarantee lots of military personnel know all of that.

Ah yes, the Democrats blaming anybody but Obama for the cost of gas having gone up 100%+ (more than doubled) during his first three years in office while having castigated Bush while the cost of gas was going up less than 30% during his first three years in office. It's all they've got because they need to distract folks (especially women) from the fact that during his 2008 campaign Obama himself stated that his energy policies will necessarily make energy prices skyrocket and the man he appointed Secretary of Energy stated that U.S. energy policies should focus on raising U.S. gas prices to equal European gas prices.

(in reply to BitaTruble)

Post #: 28

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 10:36:21 AM

mnottertail

Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline

Yeah, no veteran really cares about Obama's crotch or any of the other unsupported 'allegations' made.

But you are livin' the dream, the massive teabagger slaughter come this fall to set this country aright. Not that they have done ONE fucking thing so far and all.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30

(in reply to RacerJim)

Post #: 29

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 11:11:41 AM

Lucylastic

Posts: 40310
Status: offline

[image]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9E1soGWi6d4/SkAk5DxWKvI/AAAAAAAAGks/eqWaQhjTAC8/s1600/TEA%2BPARTY%2BFLAG%2B[/image]
comes from this teaparty site
http://csadispatch.blogspot.com/2009/06/tea-party-flags-available-now.html

_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to RacerJim)

Post #: 30

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 12:35:11 PM

SternSkipper

Posts: 7546
Joined: 3/7/2004
Status: offline

quote:

But you are livin' the dream, the massive teabagger slaughter come this fall to set this country aright. Not that they have done ONE fucking thing so far and all.

Really? An actual slaughter?
Will bats be issued?
No wonder the fuckers want you to get 20 forms of ID.
I'll take a 40 oz Louisville.

_____________________________

Looking forward to The Dead Singing The National Anthem At The World Series.

Tinfoilers Swallow

(in reply to mnottertail)

Post #: 31

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 12:40:17 PM

SternSkipper

Posts: 7546
Joined: 3/7/2004
Status: offline

quote:

comes from this teaparty site
http://csadispatch.blogspot.com/2009/06/tea-party-flags-available-now.html

Wow Lucy... that's a beauty... and they BEAT OBAMA By 3 years

_____________________________

Looking forward to The Dead Singing The National Anthem At The World Series.

Tinfoilers Swallow

(in reply to Lucylastic)

Post #: 32

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 12:44:11 PM

BitaTruble

Posts: 9779
Joined: 1/12/2006
From: Texas
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
so when shit like this happens it tends to piss me off. Learn the fucking flag code.
Damn dumb. You got it in the bag, it's yours to lose and yet once again the march to implosion begins. Obama, of course, will pay the price for this sheer stupidity.
Obama Face Flag
Beware the ides of March indeed.

What is the Flag Code? And, don't just respond incredulously that I don't know it. Just answer the question. Oh, and try not to go look it up before you answer. Let's see how much people actually know about the Flag Code.

I rarely respond incredulously but it's rather a third grade sort of question. How are you going to know if it's in my head (which it is) or if I pulled it off the net (which I could). I already said I know it. If my word isn't good enough and my ire over someone flying it who obviously does not know doesn't convince you, then me putting bullets down here isn't going to do a thing for any of us except waste time.

Instead, I'm going to tell you 'why' I know it.

My family (paternal) has given up blood for this country ever since we got here. In our clan, the sons and daughters have always volunteered for military service and I come from a long line of service men and women. I read Congressional bills and CBO for fun and watch hearings on CSPAN for entertainment. I don't doodle.. I do math. I have often been told that I need to lighten up because I am far too serious (which I don't get because I think I have a great sense of humor). I have copies of both the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution in my Kobo. I read both at least a few times a year.

When my favorite uncle died (at the age of 43 in a VA hospital from cancer of the brain) he was honored with the gun salute and a US flag drapped over his coffin. I watched the uniforms fold that flag and present it to his son with tears in my eyes. I have a distinct memory of the white gloves and the care they used in folding that flag. I'm a patriot and love my country (despite its ills). I have esteem for the symbol which represents the ideal in the same way I honor the collar which represents the committment I've made to Himself. Maybe that makes me a moron, maybe that makes me sappy. I don't know. It's just the way I am.

I became more interested in our flag after my uncles death but didn't really do much about it until Himselfs father passed. He, too, got a salute and a flag for his coffin. Watching his flag get folded with those same sort of white gloved hands in the exact same way prompted me to go check out the whys and wherefores of the flag. I know it because it became important to me to know it.. just like it's important to me to try to understand the meaning behind the words used in the DoI and the USC. It's important to 'me' to try to live up to those words and the ideas behind them.

Anyway, in my opinion the 'why' is more important and creates better dialogue than some set of bullet points that I could offer as some sort of proof that I have a right to my ire and am not a hypocrite in that ire.

I know that didn't answer your request but I hope you understand why I didn't answer it exactly as you desired. I wrote what was important to me.

FR

Hey, if people want to laugh at me, think me silly, moronic or what have you, it's all good. I'm comfortable with how I feel and as the regular target of a sadist, I have a very thick skin.

Thanks for the replies all.. and Lucy.. that link you posted later in the thread, while I do think it's a 'they do it, too' sort of thing, it will probably mitigate any damage that would come to Obama and I really would like to see a fair contest in the final showdown in Nov. (I'm not naive enough to believe there is anything fair in love, war or politics.. but I'm a dreamer.. It's a Pisces thing.)

_____________________________

"Oh, so it's just like
Rock, paper, scissors."

He laughed. "You are the wisest woman I know."

(in reply to DesideriScuri)

Post #: 33

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 12:53:09 PM

DaddySatyr

Posts: 9381
Joined: 8/29/2011
From: Pittston, Pennsyltucky
Status: offline

I don't think improper flag etiquette necessarily makes someone a bad person, certainly. I do think it makes them a bit ignorant of having read a few paragraphs about flag etiquette.

I think all public figures ball players, actors/actresses, political figures have a responsibility to lead by example, though. I think this falls heaviest on political figures because, presumably, their supposed to care about this country.

When I see any elected official for any reason not properly "honoring" our flag or our national anthem, it makes me question if they really do respect this country and yes, that is an issue for me. There are plenty of things about this country and its laws with which I don't agree but, I remove my hat and place it over my heart at a ballgame, when the National anthem is being sung or played.

I put my hand on my heart, when I say the pledge of allegience even though I am mortified at the amount of "empire building" this country's been doing. Why? Ultimately because I believe that the best way to change something is from inside ;not from outside and when I disrespect the flag, by extension, I'm disrespecting the country and placing myself outside of it.

I think it was Roman Polanski that said: "The problem with living outside the law is that you no longer enjoy the protection of it". I could be wrong about who said that. In fact, I hope I am because I hate to reference him but the quote is valid, when taken at face value.

Peace and comfort,

Michael

_____________________________

A Stone in My Shoe

Screen captures (and pissing on shadows) still RULE! Ya feel me?

"For that which I love, I will do horrible things"

(in reply to SternSkipper)

Post #: 34

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 1:19:07 PM

SternSkipper

Posts: 7546
Joined: 3/7/2004
Status: offline

You know I think Bita, that I respect you. And I CERTAINLY respect your family's contribution. Just as I do MINE, folks with my last name got off a boat from Denmark in NYC and were in the Union Army days later. My Dad was a real live decorated hero at Iwo Jima, and I've said this before, but I'll say it again briefly. He served as the state commander of the VFW after the ward for more than a decade. And in the late 60s - early 70s (I honestly don't remember which decade) there were several versions of an "ecology" flag that mimicked the US flag that became very popular. And I remember his view of that flag was that it was just an image, and shouldn't be misidentified as the US Flag.
I personally think it's lousy taste in political novelties... but not much more.

_____________________________

Looking forward to The Dead Singing The National Anthem At The World Series.

Tinfoilers Swallow

(in reply to BitaTruble)

Post #: 35

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 1:21:35 PM

SternSkipper

Posts: 7546
Joined: 3/7/2004
Status: offline

quote:

When I see any elected official for any reason not properly "honoring" our flag or our national anthem, it makes me question if they really do respect this country and yes, that is an issue for me. There are plenty of things about this country and its laws with which I don't agree but, I remove my hat and place it over my heart at a ballgame, when the National anthem is being sung or played.

Good for you.

_____________________________

Looking forward to The Dead Singing The National Anthem At The World Series.

Tinfoilers Swallow

(in reply to DaddySatyr)

Post #: 36

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 2:11:55 PM

Winterapple

Posts: 1343
Joined: 8/19/2011
Status: offline

FR
The flag with Obama's likeness isn't
the American flag. The American flag,
made in China, was flying over it.
The only legal issue seems to be the
public lands issue. But I don't personally
classify the county headquarters in the
way I would the military, government
or schools. The main hoo hah is bad pr.
Bad pr for the Dems for perceived
unhealthy Obama love but potential
backfiring bad pr for Repubs trying
to make a mountain out of what don't
even see as a molehill.
The President had nothing to do with
this but I'm sure somewhere there
are loons saying this is what the
American flag will look like during
the second term. How the hammer
and sickle, the Islam crescent and the
Black Panther fist will be incorporated
has yet to be determined.
I'm all in favor of the flag being treated
respectfully. The military, the government
and schools and such have standards
and traditions. Rituals are a part of public
life and have meaning to people.
The image of the flag is used in all
sorts of ways in advertising and
commerce. Political campaigns of both
parties incorporate the flag and aspects
of it regularly. And this flag does no
more than use the imagery of the flag.
Issues or nonissues like this when they
are toted out in a campaign are usually
a sign of desperation. I seem to recall
Bush Sr making or trying to make flag
burning an issue during his losing battle
against Clinton. He even did a photo op
tour of a flag making factory.
But making a law against private citizens
burning the flag is a greater insult
and threat to democracy than burning
truckloads of flags could ever be.
Symbols, rituals and traditions are
important but need to be kept in
perspective.

_____________________________

A thousand dreams within me softly burn.
Rimbaud

(in reply to DaddySatyr)

Post #: 37

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 2:13:13 PM

Winterapple

Posts: 1343
Joined: 8/19/2011
Status: offline

I meant to say
trying to make a mountain out of what
some don't even see as a molehill.

_____________________________

A thousand dreams within me softly burn.
Rimbaud

(in reply to Winterapple)

Post #: 38

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 2:16:19 PM

PatrickG38

Posts: 338
Joined: 10/8/2010
Status: offline

Does anyone smell a whiff of idolitry?

(in reply to Winterapple)

Post #: 39

RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 2:39:43 PM

Fightdirecto

Posts: 1101
Joined: 8/3/2004
Status: offline

Here's an Obama on the U.S. flag popular with the Right-wing:

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
Obama, of course, will pay the price for this sheer stupidity.

Attachment (1)

< Message edited by Fightdirecto -- 3/15/2012 2:42:31 PM >

_____________________________

"I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.””
- Ellie Wiesel

(in reply to BitaTruble)

Post #: 40

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 4 5 next > >>

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America...

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 4 5 next > >>

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.109