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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 2:40:47 PM   
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And then, of course, seen at many Tea Party rallies:




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Obama, of course, will pay the price for this sheer stupidity.



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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 3:24:02 PM   
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The ACLU doesn`t get involved when silly people are arguing......


Those silly veterans who shed their silly blood and gave their silly lives.



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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 3:38:26 PM   
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Didn't do so for a silly scrap of fuckin cloth.  And you can quote me.

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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 3:41:06 PM   
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Yeah, no veteran really cares about Obama's crotch or any of the other unsupported 'allegations' made.
But you are livin' the dream, the massive teabagger slaughter come this fall to set this country aright.  Not that they have done ONE fucking thing so far and all.


How 'bout passing a budget through the HoR within 5 months of taking office? The Democrat-led Senate's last passed budget? No idea. Been quite a while. They haven't even tried since the 2010 elections, not that they had before either.

But, hey, who cares about that? Or the bills that have gone through the house, but not the Senate?

You're going to have to come up with a much better argument if you really want to chastise the Tea Party Movement.

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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 3:44:54 PM   
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nobody does, cuz the idea isn't just to pass a budget out of the senate to have one.

What the fucksticks who are tasked by constitution need to do is come up with a workable, realistic and responsible one out of the house that has a fuckin chance somewhere in fixing this old girl.



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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 3:48:49 PM   
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And then, of course, seen at many Tea Party rallies:


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Obama, of course, will pay the price for this sheer stupidity.



This is the kind of thing that really gets me. I am damn proud to wear my flag gear (very similar to that guy's). I was also quite shocked that it was against code. Now, I don't know what I'm supposed to do with my patriotic clothing.

It has always been worn in honor of the sacrifices made, never "just because."

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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 3:54:35 PM   
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"But merely taking it down wasn't enough for several local veterans, who said they fought for the flag Betsy Ross made famous, not one with a politician on it."

That's not the flag Betsy Ross made famous!!

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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 3:55:25 PM   
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flag code, fuck me I just read it on wiki. There are about 50 different rules, how stupid is that? I am probably sadly wrong here but only in America surely? And otter is 100% right, no one dies for a flag, that is so ridiculous.
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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 3:56:13 PM   
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This is the kind of thing that really gets me. I am damn proud to wear my flag gear (very similar to that guy's). I was also quite shocked that it was against code. Now, I don't know what I'm supposed to do with my patriotic clothing.

It has always been worn in honor of the sacrifices made, never "just because."


I have a T-shirt that has an image of the flag, fluttering in the breeze and includes the words: "My son is away, defending our freedom"

I guess, by the letter of the code, that T-shirt is unacceptable. That's a shame. Certainly, the intent is not to "lessen" the symbolism of the flag but to acknowledge a symbol of what it is he's fighting for.

I guess I'll have to stop wearing that, too and that's a shame.



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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 3:57:39 PM   
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What were they planning on doing? Take America Back by eating it whole?

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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 4:02:43 PM   
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A great many of the those under siege seem
remarkably well fed. We can deduce from this
their enemy has yet to resort to starving
them out. That or their bunkers are well stocked
with Hot Pockets and Doritos.

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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 4:16:57 PM   
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This is who is selling that flag...

http://www.ultimateflags.com/US-Obama-flag-for-sale.html

NOTE: We have received numerous threats (some violent) from people who demand we take this flag down. Some of these people claim to be veterans who fought for our freedom. We doubt they are actually veterans as they now seek to suppress the freedom they claim to have fought for (freedom of speech).

For those who are concerned, this flag is not a violation of US or any other law as this is a design based on the US flag, not an actual US flag. We did not take a US flag and change it. Flags are emotional and you have the right to display the flag that represents your point of view. Truth is no one had bought one of these since 2009 - until this week.

If, as we say, this flag is not a violation of the law (its not) then it becomes a matter of freedom of expression. The Constitution supports freedom of speech and expression (especially speech some disapprove of). I believe any true American - ESPECIALLY A VETERAN - would agree with this quote - one that applies to us in the flag industry.:

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire


No idea when this bit was posted there.

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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 4:24:43 PM   
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so when shit like this happens it tends to piss me off. Learn the fucking flag code.
Damn dumb. You got it in the bag, it's yours to lose and yet once again the march to implosion begins. Obama, of course, will pay the price for this sheer stupidity.
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Beware the ides of March indeed.

What is the Flag Code? And, don't just respond incredulously that I don't know it. Just answer the question. Oh, and try not to go look it up before you answer. Let's see how much people actually know about the Flag Code.

I rarely respond incredulously but it's rather a third grade sort of question. How are you going to know if it's in my head (which it is) or if I pulled it off the net (which I could). I already said I know it. If my word isn't good enough and my ire over someone flying it who obviously does not know doesn't convince you, then me putting bullets down here isn't going to do a thing for any of us except waste time.
Instead, I'm going to tell you 'why' I know it.
My family (paternal) has given up blood for this country ever since we got here. In our clan, the sons and daughters have always volunteered for military service and I come from a long line of service men and women. I read Congressional bills and CBO for fun and watch hearings on CSPAN for entertainment. I don't doodle.. I do math. I have often been told that I need to lighten up because I am far too serious (which I don't get because I think I have a great sense of humor). I have copies of both the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution in my Kobo. I read both at least a few times a year.
When my favorite uncle died (at the age of 43 in a VA hospital from cancer of the brain) he was honored with the gun salute and a US flag drapped over his coffin. I watched the uniforms fold that flag and present it to his son with tears in my eyes. I have a distinct memory of the white gloves and the care they used in folding that flag. I'm a patriot and love my country (despite its ills). I have esteem for the symbol which represents the ideal in the same way I honor the collar which represents the committment I've made to Himself. Maybe that makes me a moron, maybe that makes me sappy. I don't know. It's just the way I am.
I became more interested in our flag after my uncles death but didn't really do much about it until Himselfs father passed. He, too, got a salute and a flag for his coffin. Watching his flag get folded with those same sort of white gloved hands in the exact same way prompted me to go check out the whys and wherefores of the flag. I know it because it became important to me to know it.. just like it's important to me to try to understand the meaning behind the words used in the DoI and the USC. It's important to 'me' to try to live up to those words and the ideas behind them.
Anyway, in my opinion the 'why' is more important and creates better dialogue than some set of bullet points that I could offer as some sort of proof that I have a right to my ire and am not a hypocrite in that ire.
I know that didn't answer your request but I hope you understand why I didn't answer it exactly as you desired. I wrote what was important to me.
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Hey, if people want to laugh at me, think me silly, moronic or what have you, it's all good. I'm comfortable with how I feel and as the regular target of a sadist, I have a very thick skin.
Thanks for the replies all.. and Lucy.. that link you posted later in the thread, while I do think it's a 'they do it, too' sort of thing, it will probably mitigate any damage that would come to Obama and I really would like to see a fair contest in the final showdown in Nov. (I'm not naive enough to believe there is anything fair in love, war or politics.. but I'm a dreamer.. It's a Pisces thing.)


Two things:

1. My request was not aimed solely at you. It was also for the rest of the readers, lurkers and posters alike.
2. I respect everything your family has sacrificed for this country and our flag. Thank you.






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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 5:23:13 PM   
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First thing first...

This is a petty arguement made by some unperceptive veterans that know very little the difference between the ACTUAL flag for the United States of America, from any OTHER flag. Jut because it looks like a twinkie, smells like a twinkie, its not an ACTUAL twinkie unless its been on the shelf for 40 years, and once opened, tastes just like the day it was made (yeah, not baked...). In the image that is presented in the OP, the flag of the United States of America is flown OVER the other flag on the single flag pole (that is correct flag custom). The flag is seen in the daylight, with the flag of the United States of America (another flag custom). Beyond that, there is NOTHING wrong.

If someone went and placed a picture of Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush or even Mitt Romney, I wouldnt say anything. That is freedom of speech directly. In fact, several flags have been observed over the years, that bear a resemblance to an offical flag of the United States of America. I'm surprised these veterans (or anyone else for that matter) does not has a problem with some of the OTHER flags being featured:

A) USA Bass Fish Flag
B) USA Dear Flag
C) USA Motorcyle Flag

Funny how none of the conservatives have a problem with bass fishing, deer hunting or riding motorcyles to be in combination with the offical flag for the United States of America. But they do when President Obama's face is replacing the stars. Oh wait, I forgot...

...How many of those conservatives and/or veterans bitching about this particular flag.....VOTED FOR OBAMA in 2008? So kids, what is their motivation in trying to link this in some way to the current White House administration? All it is, is simply more smoke and mirrors to the REAL problems affecting the nation. They dont have any clue how to fix the debt, the deficit, get more jobs, safely deal with the enivorment, or be a good health nation. One only has to look at the caliber of their canditates to tell that at a glance. So they have to bring up this totally silly and petty issue as something greater than what it really is: an example of someone's 1st Amendment right in daily life.

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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 5:30:06 PM   
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We can deduce from this
their enemy has yet to resort to starving
them out. That or their bunkers are well stocked
with Hot Pockets and Doritos.


When I went to the 2nd Tea Party rally ever at Boston Common (went to the first two son I could figure out WTF they were doing), They were actually 'tailgating with a fucking hibachi ... two stories below ground at the Boston Common Parking Garage. On the way out, I called the police.
No idea if they did anything about them.

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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 5:49:54 PM   
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Thanks for the replies all.. and Lucy.. that link you posted later in the thread, while I do think it's a 'they do it, too' sort of thing, it will probably mitigate any damage that would come to Obama and I really would like to see a fair contest in the final showdown in Nov. (I'm not naive enough to believe there is anything fair in love, war or politics.. but I'm a dreamer.. It's a Pisces thing.)



Bita please dont take me wrong :) I had been at another forum reading lie after ridiculous lie about the flag flap, ... It wasnt meant as a "neener ..they do it too.." but more of a recognition that it is not something new...I even found a pic going back to Reagan...with him on the flag...all sorts of weird stuff.

Im kinda proud of the Union Flag of the UK, Both my father, grandfathers AND husband spent years in the British forces..Pride in the flag was something I first rebelled as ateenager)( punk rock regularly desecrated the image) then when UK went to the flklands, I got a healthy dose of respect for the flag partly because I lost so many friends, and it was an intense time with the people I lived around. I feel the same about the canadian flag.
PS Im a pisces too, I get the dreamer bit totally:)
WIth deep respect dear lady

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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 6:09:00 PM   
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The American Flag is symbolic to many people and means to them much, much more than any scrap of cloth.

I didn't know anything about proper display and respect for the flag until a few years ago. What a horrible shame that this isn't one of the very first things schools teach. Or parents, for that matter.

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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 6:28:30 PM   
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The American Flag is symbolic to many people and means to them much, much more than any scrap of cloth.


I don't really think that not really getting in a whirl at a novelty which ISN'T the flag is the same as say, some fool wearing a real flag as a cape.
And if you know any kids you wish to be taught proper handling and respect for the ACTUAL flag, I heartily recommend The Boy Scouts of America (Or Girl Scouts). Seriously, I've been involved with Scouting all my life and have a son well on the way to Eagle. It builds character without regard to politics.


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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 6:31:56 PM   
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Ironic that our flag represents freedom yet we have so many super patriots ready to pass laws FORCING people to say the pledge......

The respect I learned for our flag in school and in the scouts was by example.

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RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States... - 3/15/2012 6:32:19 PM   
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....Been doing that. :)

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