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Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 1:13:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Having off and on been watching the other thread titled: "Low Income Dominants" , I am curious as to how people view low income submissives. Do you think that low income male submissives are treated differently than low income female submissives? Do you think that the financial expectations of male submissives is different than the financial expectations of a female submissive? And if you feel this is so, can you please explain why you think this way?

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 1:21:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		At least twice, i have been contacted by Men whose profiles brag on Their wealth.  i have previously posted on the dangers of dropping out of the workforce; that submission requires strength and one should "have their house in order" before submitting; that a submissive with a "white knight" fantasy should be avoided by Doms and Masters like the plague.  (Can You say "sugar daddy"?)
 
i would say i am lower middle class, but i can meet my obligations and at least some of my desires.  (Big time salon slut here.)  i am an adult, with adult responsibilities, which include the ability/fact of supporting myself.
 
If there were great disparity between me and a Dom i really liked as to money, long, involved convos would have to result.  Money is fraught with emotionality.
 
Btw, both wealthy Men had nothing apart from money They cared to offer me, so i dumped Them immediately.
 
Maybe somewhere there's a wealthy Man with the Great Character and other qualities i seek, but somehow i doubt it.  i met many millionaries (and billionaries) in my career, and found each and every one to be completely disreputable.
 
As Jesus said: it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 1:26:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I pretty much agree with what Pinkee has said here. Being an adult comes with responsibilities that a person SHOULD be able to meet by themselves. Granted, in most households now-adays, two incomes are better than one; and granted there are some who perfer that their submissives/slaves not work. However, that does not absolve one from being responsible enough to be  able to do so if the need should arise.
 
As an aside here, I know that there are many who have disabilities that do not allow them to work; my observation of one being able to do so is not aimed at you.

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 1:39:23 PM   
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Having off and on been watching the other thread titled: "Low Income Dominants" , I am curious as to how people view low income submissives.
Personally, I feel as long as she's earning an income, any income, I'm fine with it. I have a problem with those that think they're going to live in a cage only to be brought out to be "used" and not even do the slightest modicum of housework.
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Do you think that low income male submissives are treated differently than low income female submissives?
They wouldn't be treated any different by me. I really can't say about anyone else.
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Do you think that the financial expectations of male submissives is different than the financial expectations of a female submissive? And if you feel this is so, can you please explain why you think this way?
Yes, I do. The reason being is because they're male. Because of their sex and cultural sterotypes, he is supposed earn more then her. Thats just my view, of course.

Oh, and this isn't in reply to Tikkee. I'm just using the fast reply.

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 1:45:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have financial obligations that i would not expect nor want someone else to assume responsibility for.  I would never assume that i would not contribute to the financial maitenance of a household.  Before i could ever committ to not working, i would have to be in a situation where i was clear of all debt as well as have saved enough living expenses to sustain me if things did not work out.  Submission is a part of my life...the other parts of my life require income that i have no trouble maintaining.

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 1:53:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't look at what a slave/sub makes as long as the contribute obviosly the more income the more splergies lol but as long as the bills are paid and I can buy shoes every now and then and of course dinner or a movie once in awhile I am happy, I don't need lots and lots of money, I would rather have a wonderful poor low income slave than an ass of a rich one :) so either male or female if they are here they will work at something, even cleaning lol I understand disabilities as I have them so what.

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 1:55:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

quote:

Having off and on been watching the other thread titled: "Low Income Dominants" , I am curious as to how people view low income submissives.
Personally, I feel as long as she's earning an income, any income, I'm fine with it. I have a problem with those that think they're going to live in a cage only to be brought out to be "used" and not even do the slightest modicum of housework.
quote:

Do you think that low income male submissives are treated differently than low income female submissives?
They wouldn't be treated any different by me. I really can't say about anyone else.
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Do you think that the financial expectations of male submissives is different than the financial expectations of a female submissive? And if you feel this is so, can you please explain why you think this way?
Yes, I do. The reason being is because they're male. Because of their sex and cultural sterotypes, he is supposed earn more then her. Thats just my view, of course.

Oh, and this isn't in reply to Tikkee. I'm just using the fast reply.


Respectfully, MrDiscipline, i am no rabid femi-nazi but the slogan "equal pay for equal work" still rings true to me.
 
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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 1:58:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are two schools of thought here. One being that low income means one that would be seeking someone to take care of them. The other is that low income means that the person is trying their damnedest to make ends meet but have found themselves behin dthe proverbial 8 ball.
Both my submissive and myself are in just such a situation. We both work, we both attend college full time and we have kids. So we are busting our collective behinds to keep things in order. I personally believe, and i would also think that my submissive shares in my belief, that we would be considered under the second school of thought about low income.
In essence, I am saying that it is the person and how they act that would determine what school of thought about low income that they fall into.

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 2:03:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Saint

Do you think that low income male submissives are treated differently than low income female submissives? Do you think that the financial expectations of male submissives is different than the financial expectations of a female submissive? And if you feel this is so, can you please explain why you think this way?


Even though we are moving toward equality of genders, I still believe that women look to men as being the predominant breadwinner in the financial arena.  Most men earn much more than women, so it is understood that their contribution to the finances be higher than that of the working female.

OTOH, I have noticed that when a dominant advertises for a live-in (male or female) they do expect the submssive or slave to have an outside job (or at least a sustainable income) so that they can contribute to the household expenses.

In these days of weak economy, rising energy costs, and higher interest rates, some degree of financial (job) security is a major factor in choosing a mate, submissive or slave.  Most of us do not want the money card to enter the mix, so the decision to look for those who are more well-off may be more of of a practical choice than an emotional one.


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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 2:13:39 PM   
MzPam


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Status: offline 		When I look at a sub/slave I dont look at what they make, if they are contributing and are a good sub/slave thats all that matters to Me so I may be low income all My life oh well there are worse things to be :). My current slaves works his ass off 6 days a week and W/we struggle like hell, but I appriciate him so much for working so hard even though he doesn't make much money. He once said he was going to get a second job I said HELL no he works to much now, W/we will survive without the extras period .  If I have even a part time live out sub, well they will be atleast contributing to helping clean if nothing else.

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 2:47:13 PM   
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I have noticed that when a dominant advertises for a live-in (male or female) they do expect the submssive or slave to have an outside job (or at least a sustainable income) so that they can contribute to the household expenses.

In these days of weak economy, rising energy costs, and higher interest rates, some degree of financial (job) security is a major factor in choosing a mate, submissive or slave.  Most of us do not want the money card to enter the mix, so the decision to look for those who are more well-off may be more of of a practical choice than an emotional one.


Personally, I don't CARE if a sub/slave works or not ... but there are several distinct advantages if she does:

1) she maintains her professional marketability -- this, of course, is important in case something should happen to the Dom ... she can always continue to support herself.  This probably doesn't matter if she's working as a cashier or waitress ... but sure makes a difference if she's a nurse, teacher, attorney, etc.  And it's even more important if marriage or insurance is not there to give the sub/slave some support if something happens to the Dom.

2) she can either contribute to some of the household overhead (utilities, food, cable, etc) &/or make more luxuries possible (dinners out, travel, etc).

3) I personally expect my sub/slave to maintain her own separate bank accounts.  It's amazing how fast a sub can lose the ability to balance her own money if she doesn't have to do it.  So continuing to do it keeps her skilled in case something happens to the Dom.  It also gives the sub/slave 'her own' money ... so she doesn't feel trapped in a relationship due to financial dependence on the Dom.

Just my 2cents worth

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 2:58:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I’m very blessed that I have a Dom that was willing to take on the financial responsibilities for my daughter and me. When we met, I did have a job and I was heavily in debt. I saved my money and paid for my divorce and made sure hubby took the debt over. My Dom then took over the financial obligation of my daughter and myself.

Right now, I’m working on getting my GED and will start college classes in the fall. I will go to school for the next two years and he will support me. I hope to start my own business after school and he will help me do that.

Yeah sometimes, I feel guilty that he does so much in the way of financial support. However, he has told me repeatedly how good he feels about being able to help me start over in my life and achieve my dreams. He has the means to do it and he has the will. I am very grateful to him and in time, I hope to be successful and contribute fully. Right now, this works for us.

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 5:29:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		The reality is that a lot of female submissives expect the male dominant to be the financially responsible and the "main earner" in the relationship.  The reality is that females get a lot of slack when it comes to being accountable due to their incomes compared to men.

For me I think being a financially independent and relatively secure person going INTO a relationship is a good thing, no matter their orientation.  However the people involved in the relationship want to take it from there is their own choice.

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 5:42:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pinkee
Respectfully, MrDiscipline, i am no rabid femi-nazi but the slogan "equal pay for equal work" still rings true to me.
 
pinkee
Thats great if we were talking about submissive males vs submissive females in the work place. But we're not. We're talking about expectations in the relationship.

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 5:54:44 PM   
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Maybe somewhere there's a wealthy Man with the Great Character and other qualities i seek, but somehow i doubt it.  i met many millionaries (and billionaries) in my career, and found each and every one to be completely disreputable.

You really ought to know better than to say things like that Pink... or make such blanket statements.  You get yourself into more trouble that way.

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 6:04:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello A/all,

In my opinion, how much money a person brings into the home is simply one aspect of the relationship. 

Low monetary income can be the result of lack of opportunity, simple laziness, or other factors. 

I dont mind how much she makes, but I have issues with people who do not look to better their lives.

Just me, could be wrong, etc.

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 6:33:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Saint

Having off and on been watching the other thread titled: "Low Income Dominants" , I am curious as to how people view low income submissives. Do you think that low income male submissives are treated differently than low income female submissives? Do you think that the financial expectations of male submissives is different than the financial expectations of a female submissive? And if you feel this is so, can you please explain why you think this way?

Speaking only for myself, I'm not concerned with how much income a submissive has.  What I do consider is whether they are able to hold down a steady job, as that indicates they can be dependable and reliable in a way that will hopefully transfer to the relationship.  I also consider how financially responsible they are.  I would look just as poorly on a high income submissive who was financially irresponsible as I would a low income submissive who was financially irresponsible.  Personally, I'm only interested in female submissives (specifically slaves) and I do not intend them to work other than for me, but hypethetically I wouldn't have any different expectation of a male submissive were that within my interest.  I can't say if male submissives are treated differently than female submissives, that's outside my experience.

I do know that as the dominant, I don't have an expectation of the submissive to support the relationship financially, that's an area of responsibility I take for myself (personal choice).  However, I do expect the submissive to be useful and generally "earn her keep" in various ways that go beyond sexual service.  So again, its not the income that matters to me, but their habits and behavior... are the responisible, reliable and productive or are they irresponsible, undependable and lazy?  I will take very good care of my slave, but I will not provide a free ride.

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 6:37:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Padriag

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Maybe somewhere there's a wealthy Man with the Great Character and other qualities i seek, but somehow i doubt it.  i met many millionaries (and billionaries) in my career, and found each and every one to be completely disreputable.

You really ought to know better than to say things like that Pink... or make such blanket statements.  You get yourself into more trouble that way.


i am sorry if what i said offended You.  As to getting into trouble, i'm not worried.
 
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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 6:43:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't make a lot of money in what I do, but I am good at my job and I enjoy my work; I support my son and myself and I have a little bit of extra-money when I need it [gas prices are depleating that though]. Money is not everything to me; I enjoy working, nothing wrong with working 8 to 5.
If I had my choice though, I would be a full-time stay at home mom, and do free-lance writing as extra-income if I had a partner who made enough so that I could do that, if not, I don't mind working.

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RE: Low Income Submissives - 6/3/2006 7:07:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ADomDoc

Personally, I don't CARE if a sub/slave works or not ... but there are several distinct advantages if she does:

1) she maintains her professional marketability -- this, of course, is important in case something should happen to the Dom ... she can always continue to support herself. This probably doesn't matter if she's working as a cashier or waitress ... but sure makes a difference if she's a nurse, teacher, attorney, etc. And it's even more important if marriage or insurance is not there to give the sub/slave some support if something happens to the Dom.

2) she can either contribute to some of the household overhead (utilities, food, cable, etc) &/or make more luxuries possible (dinners out, travel, etc).

3) I personally expect my sub/slave to maintain her own separate bank accounts. It's amazing how fast a sub can lose the ability to balance her own money if she doesn't have to do it. So continuing to do it keeps her skilled in case something happens to the Dom. It also gives the sub/slave 'her own' money ... so she doesn't feel trapped in a relationship due to financial dependence on the Dom.

Just my 2cents worth

ADomDoc
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Both Master and I are on welfare benefits, He on disability and I as His carer. When I was married my husband and I ran a farming business, I never worked apart from that for 23 years, but I have computer skills and budgeting, cash flow and accounting experience. I am a qualified teacher aide and have worked (voluntarily) as a school librarian. I am unable to work outside the home as Master's illness requires my constant observation and care.

I have my own money in the bank in case of emergencies, and I take care of our household finances. If anything happened to Master I am sure, with a bit of help from the appropriate agencies, that I would be able to find and keep a job. At 47 I am aware that my marketability is somewhat limited, but I'm healthy, have a good work ethic and the ability to learn new skills easily. The nurses at the hospital have said that I would make a good nurse.....I am tempted to go to school part time if Master's health allows

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