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Iamsemisweet -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 11:47:44 AM)

I can't imagine how these lunatics keep getting elected. But they do




Lucylastic -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 11:50:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

I say the father should be able to abort any mother that aborts his child without permission.


You got any paperwork PROVING it's 'his' child?

PERMISSION??
yeah before that ever even starts to THINK about happening, how about getting a contract before you fuck saying that if it results in a pregnancy, half your earnings will go towards the financial upkeep of a resulting off spring, for 18 years, plus education for college, plus half insurance for the child for  18 years, half all medical bills, dental bills, vision or other care bills, that includes taking turns going to appointments...plus lets not forget the non financial burden...12 hours a day feeding, changing, nursing and looking after said offspring ...or at least half the night feeding for the first year, half the diaper changes, half the laundry , half the clothes and neccessities buying, dual concerns over schooling, extra curricular clubs, day care, dropping kid off for school, picking up etc all has to be shared EXACTLY. The finances are a TINY part of the "responsibility".That so many can only think about the financial costs says so much.
Permission from a man?

PERMISSION Be FUCKED




slvemike4u -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 11:50:24 AM)

Thats easy Semi,and all we need do is look in the mirror.
The electorate is fucking insane.....a people get the governance they deserve....we are getting ours.




tj444 -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 12:08:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Things are getting *very* nutty that side of the pond. Wow.


^^ This ^^

The US is going to hell in a hand basket.. for a while now.. I have come to the conclusion that there needs to be a bloody revolution here, and by revolution i mean a real one,.. none of this wussy OWS shite.. heads on sticks is whats needed.. but I know that wont happen.. it will be years and decades more of this shite..

(TJ wanders off to book plane ticket to tranquil Turks & Caicos paradise..)




hlen5 -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 1:23:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: xssve
Presumably that would also require the man take on full financial responsibility, and if he didn't it would be criminal negligence and child abuse.

Otherwise, a policy like this can only be described as a cynical ploy to provide more grist for the fostercare human trafficking mill.

and he should be legally required to provide the woman with his complete, audited & notarized financial statement showing all assets and liabilities.. before he has sex with her the first time..



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hlen5 -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 1:29:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

The choice should be made by the man and the woman if the sex was consensual - and no one else.

The choice should be made by the woman alone if the sex was not consensual - and no one else.



What's next, a second "permission slip"/affadavit to say "Yes, I was a wanton slut and actually CHOSE to have sex"?




LaTigresse -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 1:32:54 PM)

I just gotta say.......I did that avatar that the ladies around here are sporting.......If I was so inclined to put bumper stickers on a vehicle, I would SOOOOOOOO want one like that!




hlen5 -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 1:34:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ShibsStories

Sounds impossible to enforce unless it is just a backdoor way in to more red tape before getting an abortion.



Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner!!

That's all this crap is! Yet another hurdle.




hlen5 -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 1:37:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I just gotta say.......I did that avatar that the ladies around here are sporting.......If I was so inclined to put bumper stickers on a vehicle, I would SOOOOOOOO want one like that!



If I were so inclined for bumper stickers, I would too!!!

Hey, I'm sure we could find a printer, look at what some racist anti-Obama stuck on their car!




farglebargle -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 1:54:40 PM)

It's more than "redtape". It's a concerted effort to deprive woman of their status as independent people.

Just look at all the paternalistic bullshit offered. As if a woman doesn't UNDERSTAND the implications of her choices. Or would if more than lipservice was given to education.

It's just like how slaveowners controlled their slave's breeding. And driven from the same logic.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 1:57:18 PM)

I always told my sons to be cautious of dating the "good christian" girls at their high school, and if they did date them, be sure not to have sex.  I had several girl friends whose sons knocked up girls like that, and the girls and their nutty families refused to even consider getting an abortion, or even adoption.   I explained to my sons that should that happen, they would have very little choice in the matter, and that their prospects for any kind of future would be over.  I also explained that they would be saddled, not only with a child, but a nut case Jesus freak christian chick and her family, who would no doubt make their lives a living hell and always have their hands out for money.

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I can now imagine my counterpart in Alaska advising her daughters not to date the crazy christian boys, no matter how cute they are, and if you do date them, don't have sex because if you get knocked up and can't get permission for an abortion, then you would have little choice in the matter, and your prospects for the future would be over.  Not only that, but you will be stuck, not only with a child, but some nut case Jesus freak christian loser who would no doubt make her life a living hell and who she would always be chasing down for money.

How are either of those scenarios a rational way to plan a family?




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 2:23:04 PM)

And just when I thought Alaska had come up with the craziest idea yet, I ran across this:

Arizona Rep. Terri Proud is an extremist anti-abortion conservative. She supports HB 2036 , which would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. She also supports HB 2635, which would allow employers to refuse to cover birth control, and all they need is to declare a religious reason for the refusal. Arizona Republicans also want to force women to tell their employer what they use birth control for before an employer will cover it, and are considering legislation (HB 2800) that would slash funding to Planned Parenthood. It’s safe to say that Arizona, perhaps more than any other state, has declared war on women. But Republicans aren’t through yet, and if Terri Proud has her way, women in Arizona will have to watch an abortion procedure before they can go through with an abortion themselves.

In an email response to a constituent who opposes HB 2036, Proud said she thinks women should be forced to watch a doctor perform an abortion before being allowed to get the procedure as well. Here’s is Proud’s email response via ThinkProgess.
“Personally I’d like to make a law that mandates a woman watch an abortion being performed prior to having a “surgical procedure”. If it’s not a life it shouldn’t matter, if it doesn’t harm a woman then she shouldn’t care, and don’t we want more transparency and education in the medical profession anyway? We demand it everywhere else. Until the dead child can tell me that she/he does not feel any pain – I have no intentions of clearing the conscience of the living – I will be voting YES.”
Terri Proud is yet another female politician who thinks women are incapable of thinking for themselves and knowing things. She is a traitor to her gender and the Constitution for attacking women’s rights and for supporting legislation that clearly intrudes on their privacy and personal liberty, and threatens their ability to make their own health decisions.
Proud is operating on an unsubstantiated notion that fetuses can feel pain. That notion is false. According to multiple studies, including one in 2005, scientists generally agree that fetuses can’t feel pain until well into the third trimester after 24 weeks. The 2005 study suggests 28 weeks. Abortions after 24 weeks are already allowed to be limited by states under the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision made by the Supreme Court. But since most abortions occur prior to 24 weeks anyway, Proud really doesn’t have a case.
As usual, Republicans think women are unintelligent creatures who need to be regulated like common livestock being bred to increase the herd. They’ll make up any excuse to create anti-abortion legislation, even if science and the medical community refutes their claims and they’ll always seek to violate the privacy and personal liberty of women that the Constitution protects. Forcing women to do things against their will is what criminals such as rapists and kidnappers do. So by forcing women to not use contraception, or to undergo ultrasounds, or to view an abortion, or to carry a pregnancy to term, Republicans are turning the state government of Arizona into a criminal organization that has total disregard for the freedoms, liberties, and rights guaranteed by the Constitution.




Lucylastic -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 2:28:44 PM)

maybe everyone who has an operation because of their choice, should have to see what happens during "their operations"
Maybe not get pain killers, and be made to see the result of their drunken drives car crash did to the body of a twenty year old. or stay awake while the doctor breaks their leg and resets it with pins and plates. Maybe a man should be made to see what the internal organs of his wife look like after he impregated her
This cupid stunt needs to see what her own lobotomy looked like...




LoreBook -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 3:42:49 PM)

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I support the idea that the man who had something to do with creating that life should have something to do with the decision-making about it.
I might support that idea the day the man carries the child to term, but until that day, sorry, you just don't have any right to a say.

The preceding statement represents the views and opinions of the author and the author alone, and should in no way be considered an attempt by the author to define or determine anything for anybody but herself.





DaddySatyr -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 3:57:05 PM)

I think this thread (and others like it) have brought out that what the PPLs characterize as a "war" on women is more like a desire to protect un-born innocent life while the people so ardently vocal in support of abortion are, obviously, very much in favor of such life being painfully (for the mother, the baby and in some cases, the father) and arbitrarily snuffed out.

I find it deplorable that people who claim to be loving, caring parents could feel that way about any child and I fear for the desensitization of us, as a society to deaths of innocents who have committed no wrong (other than coming into being).

I don't understand with the advancement in "technology" how a woman, bent on infanticide could possibly need 24 weeks to find out that she's pregnant and then to decide (since it seems most already have) that abortion is their chosen course of action.

There are at-home OTC pregnancy tests that are reliable after ... what ... 72 hours? 120? 168?

I just saw a commercial for "plan B", the other night on television. Isn't that good enough or do we really need to wait until that life is capable of feeling pain before we rip its head off with a doctor's noose?

The passion with which some people - who I am sure are decent, caring people in all other regards - defend this kind of brutality is appalling. I think the left is conducting a "war" on babies.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




LoreBook -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 3:59:09 PM)

You really, really are a real piece of work aren't you?

The preceding statement represents the views and opinions of the author and the author alone, and should in no way be considered an attempt by the author to define or determine anything for anybody but herself.




outhere69 -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 4:00:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arienos
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Again pretty words, but that just isn't enough. If I were a woman denied an abortion by a one nighter, and faced with the burden of carrying and raising an unplanned child, I would want to know for sure that I would not be wasting time for the next 20 years chasing down some deadbeat


If the male was a deadbeat he wouldn’t want to be shackled to years of support and therein it’s not logical to assume he would decline agreeing to abort. As to the one night stand, I think the underlining question is, did the one night stand reach a point to where you even knew his name...many impulsive sexual encounters never get to that degree of familiarization and the sire is just another blured immage in a host of blured immages.

You've never seen "16 And Pregnant", have you?

Oh yeah... have all y'all menfolks advocating the law the OP's mentioned used condoms every single time you've had sex? Gotten clipped?

As a FR... lots of the lawmakers propose law they know are unenforceable, unconstitutional, or never having a hope in hell of being made into law, just to have anyone voting against the proposals called "Baby Killers!!! OMG!!!" It's great for political ads and mailings.

Jesse Helms was an expert in the field, especially with anti-gay legislation.




MissAsylum -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 4:03:53 PM)

Problem here:

many women cannot tell if they are pregnant. Many still get their period as they normally do. at home tests can run up to 10 dollars in some areas. plan b costs up to 50 dollars

so its easy to say we have this and that- but there are other factors to consider. nothing is cut and dry.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I think this thread (and others like it) have brought out that what the PPLs characterize as a "war" on women is more like a desire to protect un-born innocent life while the people so ardently vocal in support of abortion are, obviously, very much in favor of such life being painfully (for the mother, the baby and in some cases, the father) and arbitrarily snuffed out.

I find it deplorable that people who claim to be loving, caring parents could feel that way about any child and I fear for the desensitization of us, as a society to deaths of innocents who have committed no wrong (other than coming into being).

I don't understand with the advancement in "technology" how a woman, bent on infanticide could possibly need 24 weeks to find out that she's pregnant and then to decide (since it seems most already have) that abortion is their chosen course of action.

There are at-home OTC pregnancy tests that are reliable after ... what ... 72 hours? 120? 168?

I just saw a commercial for "plan B", the other night on television. Isn't that good enough or do we really need to wait until that life is capable of feeling pain before we rip its head off with a doctor's noose?

The passion with which some people - who I am sure are decent, caring people in all other regards - defend this kind of brutality is appalling.



Peace and comfort,



Michael






BitaTruble -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 4:09:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

Criminalize women who have an abortion without the permission via written signature from the man who impregnated her

FFS. Why doesn't the party of 'smaller government' just outlaw sex for women all together and be done with it. That will solve everything and then these men can go fuck each other instead. Kirk Cameron would have a hissy fit, of course, but who gives a shit. [:'(]





DaddySatyr -> RE: Abortion Permission Slips from Men (3/22/2012 4:15:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissAsylum

Problem here:

many women cannot tell if they are pregnant. Many still get their period as they normally do. at home tests can run up to 10 dollars in some areas. plan b costs up to 50 dollars

so its easy to say we have this and that- but there are other factors to consider. nothing is cut and dry.



Your point is taken but if $10 is such a hardship, shouldn't that factor into the decision to have sex, in the first place? I'll pony up the $10-$50.

I know my position is far from popular but a woman/girl who has never undergone an abortion should, at least, have the abortion explained to them in some detail; as people undergoing just about any other procedure seem to insist upon. This seems to be the one area where a patient wants to hear less from their doctor instead of more. I wonder if there's a reason for that. Of course there is.

The reason is fairly simple: no one can honestly say that abortion is not an emotionally gut-wrenching experience for the woman undergoing the procedure. It may not be that day or two weeks later but, at some point, the woman is going to experience some kind of emotional agony over her decision.

If we removed the word "abortion" from the argument and described the heartbreak and damage done by this action and then, explained that doctors should give less information to the patients about to undergo it, there'd be all kinds of out-cry. Instead, we have people who disregard the humanity and pain sensory ability of the un-born life in question because it helps them sleep better at night.



Peace and comfort,



Michael





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