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Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 9:34:06 AM   
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The religious right calls it the "responsible" choice, but for some kids it means isolation with little education

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In recent weeks, home schooling has received nationwide attention because of Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum’s home-schooling family. Though Santorum paints a rosy picture of home schooling in the United States, and calls attention to the “responsibility” all parents have to take their children’s education into their own hands, he fails to acknowledge the very real potential for educational neglect among some home-schooling families – neglect that has been taking place for decades, and continues to this day...

Poring over their stories, I was shocked to find so many tales of gross educational neglect. I don’t merely mean that they had received what I now view as an overly politicized education with huge gaps, for example, in American history, evolution or sexuality. Rather, what disturbed me were the many stories about home-schoolers who were barely literate when they graduated, or whose math and science education had never extended much past middle school...

Take Vyckie Garrison, an ex-Quiverfull mother of seven who, in 2008, enrolled her six school-age children in public school after 18 years of teaching them at home. Why did she stick with home schooling for so long, despite her difficulties? “We were convinced that it would be better for our kids not to have an education than to be educated to become humanists or atheists and to reject God. We became so isolated because the Quiverfull lifestyle was so overwhelming we didn’t have time or energy for socialization. So the only people we knew were exactly like us. We were told that the whole point of public school was to dumb down the children and turn them into compliant workers – to brainwash them and indoctrinate them into this godless way of thinking.”

Garrison believes that home schooling has become so popular with fundamentalist Christians because, “there is an atmosphere of real terror among some evangelicals. They are horrified by the fact that Obama is president, and they see the New Atheist movement as a vocal, in-your-face threat. Plus, they are obsessed with the End Times, and believe that the Apocalypse could happen any day now… They see a demon on every corner.

“We home-schooled because we wanted to protect our children from what we viewed as the total secularization of America. We listened to people like Rush Limbaugh, who told us that America was in the clutches of evil liberal feminist atheists.”

Given the scarcity of numbers on this issue, the best one can hope for at this point is anecdotal information about the problem. But because home schooling is such a highly politicized issue, it is often difficult to get a clear sense of what is happening from home-schooling parents themselves. And because many parents see themselves as advocates of home schooling, they are not always very eager to discuss potential gaps in home-schooling education.

Luckily, more than a few adult home-school graduates are eager to talk. And as I talk to more and more people who recount first-person stories of home-school-related neglect, it becomes hard to write off what home-school advocates would call “exceptions” simply as fringe outliers.

Erika Diegel Martin’s story is particularly haunting. A home-schooling graduate of the mid-1990s, and an ex-Quiverfull daughter I have known for many years, Diegel Martin was pulled out of public school at 14. Because she was old enough to remember several years of public schooling, she says she never really believed her parents’ dire warnings about it. Her younger brothers were another story. “When the school bus would come by, my youngest brother would go, ‘There goes the prison bus.’ Our parents had them believing that public schools were these horrible places, just dens of iniquity.”

The narrative about public schools, she says, went something like this: “How would you like to get stuck in a building with no light – and secular, godless, atheist teachers for seven hours of the day without even being able to see your parents or go out to play?” As a result, she says, “My brothers were terrified of the public schools.”…
As for herself, when she completed her schooling, she says her parents did not allow her to obtain her GED as proof of high school graduation. Their reason? “The girls weren’t allowed to get a GED because we were told we wouldn’t need it. It would open up opportunities that were forbidden to us. We would work in the family business until we got married, and then become homemakers.

“When I talked about wanting to go to college, my parents said, ‘Well, you’re a girl. You don’t go to college.’”


Melinda Palmer, 29, is another home-school graduate who is forthcoming about the problems she encountered as a home-schooled child...

Palmer insists that her family was not alone in home-school neglect. Among the various fundamentalist families that ran in her family’s social circles, she says, “I knew several families whose children were not very literate.” Moreover, she points out, education is “more than just learning math and science and the facts of history – it’s learning how to interact with the kids around you, and figuring out what different kinds of personalities bring to life...

Still, this is not to say there aren’t many home-schooling parents who are doing an excellent job of ensuring that their children receive a quality education. Most parents realize they are taking on a tremendous amount of responsibility when they commit to home-schooling a child, so I am not surprised to find many – secular and religious – who are doing well by their children…

Kathryn Joyce, author of “Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement,” confirms that there are legitimate reasons for being concerned about a lack of oversight among home-schoolers. She acknowledges the diversity of the home-schooling movement, but notes, for example, that, “among the Quiverfull community, there are families that home-school in such a way that education begins to diverge between boys’ education and girls education around the time they hit puberty.”
Sometimes, Joyce says, girls, “stop receiving the same education as their brothers and are trained instead to fulfill the role that they’re going to have, which is to be a Quiverfull mother and a submissive wife.”

She recalls an anecdote from Quiverfull leader Geoffrey Botkin, who suggested that girls should be taught to use the tools of the laboratory they will inhabit: the kitchen and the nursery. Girls’ education should prioritize “learning how to be mothers, learning in the kitchen, helping their mothers – not merely as chores that are a part of growing up. Rather, the point was that this should be a key part of their education because this was going to be their chief role.” Though Joyce says many home-schoolers go on to do exceptionally well once they go to college, she has also encountered problems with basics like literacy…

Ultimately, the women who report neglect in home schooling want their experiences to serve as a warning that either greater restrictions on home schooling are needed, or states need to do a better job of enforcing existing regulations

I don’t believe the answer is to end home schooling altogether, and neither do any of the women I talk to, no matter what their experience with home schooling. But neither is it acceptable to allow more home-schooled children to fall through the cracks. And since no one should be deprived of an education, we have a duty to listen to those who were overlooked...

There is simply no justification for allowing cases of educational neglect – wherever it exists – to go unchecked. We need not imprison more parents to make sure this happens, but improving state and local oversight of those who opt out would be one step in the right direction. As Garrison, Diegel Martin and Palmer acknowledge, better checks on their own home education would have made a vast difference for them. This is why, they say, they will continue to speak out.


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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 9:40:34 AM   
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That article describes very well my own experiences with kids that have been home schooled.

I've only encountered one family who's children got a better education and who's parents home schooled for that very purpose.

All of the others did it for religious reasons and the children are nearly incapable of leaving the nest and coping with the realities of the world. Not in any sort of successful manner. They, especially the girls, are literally stuck within that closed society, with very little concept of how the rest of the community around them lives.

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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 9:53:53 AM   
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Rather, what disturbed me were the many stories about home-schoolers who were barely literate when they graduated, or whose math and science education had never extended much past middle school...


It is not just home-schooled children. This is also happening with graduates of the public education system. Take a look at how many college students take zero level classes in English and math. Illiteracy and innumeracy are rampant in our society.

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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 10:31:10 AM   
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These christian patriarchy homeschoolers are truly clueless.

Their "plan" is to relegate women to home making and raising hordes of children and they want to curtail their education to make sure these women cannot choose to leave. Now consider who will be home schooling the later generations of this movement? Poorly educated women. Do they really think they can somehow dominate the rest of society with that?

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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 10:49:35 AM   
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As someone who homeschools my youngest child, providing a good education for my child is my top priority. I won't lie and say it's easy. However, I'm certain that he will get just as good an education with me as he would at the piss-poor excuse for a school he would have to attend if I enrolled him in the public school system. Especially since one of the districts here just lost its accreditation because very few of the kids could pass a standardized test. In fact, that's the reason I chose to homeschool him - it had nothing to do with religion. Articles like this always focus on the religious nuts and ignore the growing number of parents who are engaged in secular homeschooling because we're just fed up with the sad state of the public school system.

I don't think the answer is tighter regulations over homeschooling or stricter enforcement of existing regulations. The regulations don't guarantee that homeschooling parents will be good teachers. That has more to do with dedication, the parents' level of education, and access to resources and support. Some Barnes and Noble stores have sections dedicated to homeschooling materials, but not all of them. Math manipulative sets (the colored blocks/beads/whatever used to teach basic math concepts) start at a couple hundred dollars for the most minimal and go up from there. And forget about support unless I want to convert to Fundamentalist Christianity. Secular homeschooling support networks are few and far between.

There's a learning curve and not every parent has a natural aptitude for teaching. What would really help is if homeschooling parents could get assistance without being grilled about why we've chosen homeschooling and/or getting threatened with Social Services. More virtual schools that cover everything the kids are supposed to learn in the public school system but allow us to teach at home would help too. When I was searching for a curriculum for my kidlet, I would have given a lot to have the option of a virtual school that gave me lesson plans and had a help line where I could call a teacher to ask questions. The only one in my area has a ridiculously long waiting list and still doesn't cover all of the standard curriculum.


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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 11:19:58 AM   
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All of the others did it for religious reasons and the children are nearly incapable of leaving the nest and coping with the realities of the world. Not in any sort of successful manner. They, especially the girls, are literally stuck within that closed society, with very little concept of how the rest of the community around them lives.

That's the whole point, surely?

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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 11:20:03 AM   
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As someone who homeschools my youngest child, providing a good education for my child is my top priority. I won't lie and say it's easy. However, I'm certain that he will get just as good an education with me as he would at the piss-poor excuse for a school he would have to attend if I enrolled him in the public school system. Especially since one of the districts here just lost its accreditation because very few of the kids could pass a standardized test. In fact, that's the reason I chose to homeschool him - it had nothing to do with religion. Articles like this always focus on the religious nuts and ignore the growing number of parents who are engaged in secular homeschooling because we're just fed up with the sad state of the public school system.

The reason articles like this focus on the religious homeschoolers is because the available statistics indicate they are the overwhelming majority of homeschoolers and there is serious doubt about the quality of education being delivered and whether homeschooling is being used to isolate children to prevent reporting/observation of abuse.

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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 11:26:50 AM   
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All of the others did it for religious reasons and the children are nearly incapable of leaving the nest and coping with the realities of the world. Not in any sort of successful manner. They, especially the girls, are literally stuck within that closed society, with very little concept of how the rest of the community around them lives.

That's the whole point, surely?


For my sister that does it, no. She feels that she can shelter her children (two boys) from the evils until they are old enough, and brainwashed enough, to go out into the world. What she does not realize is that her sheltering has not taught them vital coping skills for dealing with the evils of the world.

Her eldest is proof of that. He is now in his early twenties.

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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 11:47:54 AM   
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Are there any other examples of a stereotype you'd care to display ?

In the U.S. the average homeschooled student will test higher than their publically educated counterparts.

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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 11:51:17 AM   
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In the U.S. the average homeschooled student will test higher than their publically educated counterparts.


Link please.

This is certainly true for my home schooled cousin, who scored 2,337 on his SATs and was accepted to Phillips Exeter. But then, my uncle attended Harvard.

Seems like the problem is not home schooling, per se, but the parents as well as lack of oversight by the state.




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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 11:58:11 AM   
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Are there any other examples of a stereotype you'd care to display ?

In the U.S. the average homeschooled student will test higher than their publically educated counterparts.

Not only do I find that hard to believe ,I would offer that it is ,in the end,immaterial ,school teaches a child a whole lot more than what test scores indicate.
Where are the socialization skills ?
Where is the ability to cope with others developed ?
Where do dissenting ideas originate from ?
Where is critical thinking taught ?
How about problem solving.....the kind that doesn't appear on a test ?
Problem solving that involves dealing with others,who just might be a little different from yourself?
Where does the child learn all of this ?

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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 12:00:24 PM   
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I saw where Homeschoolers tend to score higher on the SAT and ACT (there are multiple articles) but I think the point of this thread is ALL homeschoolers, not just the college-bound ones. Apparently, in some religious communities, it is customary to teach the girls just enough to read a recipe book and not quite enough to balance a check book. Science is EVULLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. The boys go to college, the girls are turned into baby making machines.
In this case, the boys would be the only ones showing up on the statistics as the girls wouldn't take college entrance exams.

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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 12:01:56 PM   
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All of the others did it for religious reasons and the children are nearly incapable of leaving the nest and coping with the realities of the world. Not in any sort of successful manner. They, especially the girls, are literally stuck within that closed society, with very little concept of how the rest of the community around them lives.

That's the whole point, surely?


For my sister that does it, no. She feels that she can shelter her children (two boys) from the evils until they are old enough, and brainwashed enough, to go out into the world. What she does not realize is that her sheltering has not taught them vital coping skills for dealing with the evils of the world.

Her eldest is proof of that. He is now in his early twenties.

Isn't that an example of what I just said?

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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 12:04:09 PM   
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Any way you look at it,even when done with the best intentions it is a case of "incubation",education in a cocoon .Distasteful in my opinion,leaves far too many unexperienced points in a childs development .
Miss that first time you look across a school room and see the cute girl,that first time you must face down a school yard bully....bullshit .Seems like abuse of a different sort to me
But this is only my opinion

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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 12:06:12 PM   
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In the U.S. the average homeschooled student will test higher than their publically educated counterparts.


Link please.

This is certainly true for my home schooled cousin, who scored 2,337 on his SATs and was accepted to Phillips Exeter. But then, my uncle attended Harvard.

Seems like the problem is not home schooling, per se, but the parents as well as lack of oversight by the state.




Well once you accept the principal that parents can do this,how do you assert that the state has a right to any oversight ?
And I am just asking Kalik,I'm not trying to be snarky


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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 12:10:51 PM   
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Do you have a source for that?
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Are there any other examples of a stereotype you'd care to display ?

In the U.S. the average homeschooled student will test higher than their publically educated counterparts.


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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 12:11:34 PM   
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Miss that first time you look across a school room and see the cute girl,that first time you must face down a school yard bully....

Saves on dentistry bills for the parents, I suppose.


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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 12:11:41 PM   
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All of the others did it for religious reasons and the children are nearly incapable of leaving the nest and coping with the realities of the world. Not in any sort of successful manner. They, especially the girls, are literally stuck within that closed society, with very little concept of how the rest of the community around them lives.

That's the whole point, surely?


For my sister that does it, no. She feels that she can shelter her children (two boys) from the evils until they are old enough, and brainwashed enough, to go out into the world. What she does not realize is that her sheltering has not taught them vital coping skills for dealing with the evils of the world.

Her eldest is proof of that. He is now in his early twenties.

Isn't that an example of what I just said?


I thought you were alluding that they wanted to keep the kids at home. My sister doesn't. In fact she wanted him out ASAP after age 18. He now lives in the wilds of Idaho or something and she is still living in Ohio with her youngest.

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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 12:13:11 PM   
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That wasn't what I as implying. Sorry that wasn't clear.
I was thinking more of enforcing mental chains than a tie to the apron strings...

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RE: Home-schooled and illiterate - 3/22/2012 12:13:20 PM   
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http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/200908100.asp

Drawing from 15 independent testing services, the Progress Report 2009: Homeschool Academic Achievement and Demographics included 11,739 homeschooled students from all 50 states who took three well-known tests—California Achievement Test, Iowa Tests of Basic Skills, and Stanford Achievement Test for the 2007–08 academic year. The Progress Report is the most comprehensive homeschool academic study ever completed.

The Results
Overall the study showed significant advances in homeschool academic achievement as well as revealing that issues such as student gender, parents’ education level, and family income had little bearing on the results of homeschooled students.

National Average Percentile Scores
Subtest Homeschool Public School
Reading 89 50
Language 84 50
Math 84 50
Science 86 50
Social Studies 84 50
Corea 88 50
Compositeb 86 50
a. Core is a combination of Reading, Language, and Math.
b. Composite is a combination of all subtests that the student took on the test.

There was little difference between the results of homeschooled boys and girls on core scores.

Boys—87th percentile
Girls—88th percentile

Household income had little impact on the results of homeschooled students.

$34,999 or less—85th percentile
$35,000–$49,999—86th percentile
$50,000–$69,999—86th percentile
$70,000 or more—89th percentile

The education level of the parents made a noticeable difference, but the homeschooled children of non-college educated parents still scored in the 83rd percentile, which is well above the national average.

Neither parent has a college degree—83rd percentile
One parent has a college degree—86th percentile
Both parents have a college degree—90th percentile

Whether either parent was a certified teacher did not matter.

Certified (i.e., either parent ever certified)—87th percentile
Not certified (i.e., neither parent ever certified)—88th percentile

Parental spending on home education made little difference.

Spent $600 or more on the student—89th percentile
Spent under $600 on the student—86th percentile

The extent of government regulation on homeschoolers did not affect the results.

Low state regulation—87th percentile
Medium state regulation—88th percentile
High state regulation—87th percentile


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