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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/5/2012 10:52:34 PM   
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RE: Giving Christian blowjobs - 4/6/2012 9:17:45 AM   
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RE: Giving Christian blowjobs - 4/6/2012 9:41:13 AM   
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Those are dirty christians, I wonder what the pope has to say about felatio.
Since he is not into condoms and sodomy.
And are priests allowed to jerk off?

Maybe the pope will say in his eastern speech, Danke für die blowjobs und schlicke alles dürch.

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RE: Giving Christian blowjobs - 4/6/2012 9:47:22 AM   
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Those are dirty christians, I wonder what the pope has to say about felatio.
Since he is not into condoms and sodomy.
And are priests allowed to jerk off?

Maybe the pope will say in his eastern speech, Danke für die blowjobs und schlicke alles dürch.

Yes Mr B. They are very very naughty aren't they? Why I do believe they deserve a good spanking!

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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/6/2012 4:14:55 PM   
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I was sick of all the political threads.
I think the vatican is an incubator of bdsm.
All that talk of thou shallt not, gives me wood Holy Wood!


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ORIGINAL: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1000347.htm
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope John Paul II always took penitence seriously, spending entire nights lying with his arms outstretched on the bare floor, fasting before ordaining priests or bishops and flagellating himself, said the promoter of his sainthood cause.

Msgr. Slawomir Oder, postulator of the late pope's cause, said Pope John Paul used self-mortification "both to affirm the primacy of God and as an instrument for perfecting himself."

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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/6/2012 5:12:26 PM   
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Told you so
The Pope is a kinky mofo who flogs his own ass.
And I was wondering why the catholic church always felt like a dungeon since I was a kid.
Now I know what kinda dungeon.
The KINKY kind.

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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/7/2012 8:30:40 AM   
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None of that shit is in the Bible, Luther was a tool, Jesus pronounced all food clean.

So suck it up Buttercup.


First of all, "none" is a bit of an overstatement:
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ORIGINAL: Romans 1:18-27 NLV
18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. 23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.


Second, Martin Luther was a tool.

Third, as the founder of protestantism, a branch of Christianity with some 800 million adherents, his teachings are directly responsible for much of Christianity as it exists today.

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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/7/2012 2:29:38 PM   
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See Romans 1:18, and the Jesus in the Woes of the Pharisees.

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Paul wrote Romans 1:18–2:1 to urge us to stop judging one another, but we manage to use it as the basis for judging people big time.. Here is Romans 2:1 in three translations:

Therefore, you have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. (NIV)

Therefore you have no excuse, whoever you are, when you judge others; for in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, are doing the very same things. (RSV)

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. (KJV)

Whereas all human beings are idolaters, and
Whereas [most] human beings are fornicators, and
Whereas [a few] human beings are homosexuals, and
Whereas all human beings have a depraved mind,
Therefore, stop judging one another.


http://biblethumpingliberal.com/2011/05/21/clobber-passage-romans-1/

And it don't say a damned thing about sucking cock.

Thing is, in context, most of the prohibitions against homosexuality in Leviticus for example, were far more likely prohibitions against pederasty, which was much more common in the classical world than consensual same sex relations between discreetly consenting adults, and was, and still is, universally condemned.

By everybody but the Roman Catholic Church anyway.

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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/7/2012 5:03:42 PM   
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Paul wrote Romans 1:18–2:1 to urge us to stop judging one another, but we manage to use it as the basis for judging people big time.. Here is Romans 2:1 in three translations

It's sort of a position of God hates fags light. Now less stoning! Certainly it's better than the pro-stoning position on homosexuality but it's still a really shitty position. In that passage homosexuality is described as "wickedness", "sin", "vile", "degrading", "shameful" and "against the natural way to have sex". And the cause of what's considered unnatural behavior is presented as turning away from God. This is one of the passages that convinces people that homosexuality is a choice and that you can pray the gay away. Martin Luther didn't pull his teachings on homosexuality out of his ass he pulled them out of the Bible.


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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/7/2012 5:49:39 PM   
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Thing is, in context, most of the prohibitions against homosexuality in Leviticus for example, were far more likely prohibitions against pederasty, which was much more common in the classical world than consensual same sex relations between discreetly consenting adults, and was, and still is, universally condemned.

By everybody but the Roman Catholic Church anyway.


Leviticus 18:22
NLV: Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.
NKJV: You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
NIV: Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
KJV: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

I don't know about that it seems pretty specific about referring to men as opposed to oh say using the word boys. Also if one rationalizes these passages into meaning homosexual pedophilia then Romans 2:1 becomes a commandment not to punish pedophiles which come to think of it is kind of what the Catholic Church did.

I think the problem there however was that the Catholic Church is still having trouble differentiating between healthy adult consensual relationships and pedophilia.

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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/8/2012 2:21:17 AM   
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The cross overs between religious and BDSM rituals and symbolism make a good starting point for discussing this claim.


Crossovers? Some of us practice them as one and the same, yanno.

Now prostrate, kiss the bishop's feet, and prepare for your baptism; then we can talk about receiving his flesh, unless you'd like to go for some imitatio iesu on that cross, in which case I'm sure the world has many sins to redeem with a good flogging. Don't expect the spear to go in your side, though... and don't mind the buzzing.

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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/8/2012 2:52:48 AM   
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22 Wives, submit to your own husbands as to the Lord, 23 for the husband is head of the wife as also Christ is head of the church. He is the Savior of the body. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as also Christ loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 to make her holy, cleansing her in the washing of water by the word. (Ephesians 5:22-26)

Christians and BDSM

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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/8/2012 2:54:12 AM   
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Paul wrote to the Corinthians, I beat my body and bring it into submission, for fear that by any means, that after I have preached to others, I myself should be rejected. (1 Corinthians 9:27) (A justification for flogging?)

29 Let him submit absolutely; there may yet be hope. 30 Let him offer his cheek to the one who strikes it, and receive his fill of insults. (Lamentations 3:29-30) (Some indication that humiliation play and discipline is not sinful either?)

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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/8/2012 3:58:12 AM   
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And your point is?

I was sick of all the political threads.
I think the vatican is an incubator of bdsm.
All that talk of thou shallt not, gives me wood Holy Wood!

Then don't read them. Duh.

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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/8/2012 4:21:26 AM   
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Sin, quite literally, is "missing the point". I frequently miss the point, and try to redress each instance as well as I can, and to learn from it. But when it comes to the bedroom, I think I've got a decent grasp of what goes where and why.

If you can see a kneeling member of the appropriate sex, wearing nothing but the most craven expression you ever saw, and not see the beauty of creation therein, then you are pretty much hopelessly closed off to religious experience in my opinion.

And I refuse to believe that gays and lesbians are denied the glory of creation by accident of birth.

Amen,
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Ezekiel 23:20
"She lusted after lovers who had cocks like donkeys and jizzed like horses."


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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/8/2012 8:27:01 AM   
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Well the wording of an English translation in a modern context is going to be different from the original word, in the original context.

Pederasty was common among the Romans who though nothing about it than casual sex with a woman - as long as the catcher was a slave or of lesser status: i.e., they did discourage homosexual intercourse between equals, because of that penetration principle: the penetrated party is equivalent to a woman, it implies a loss of status.

In short, the catcher in a relationship is tantamount to a woman, if women have no status, then a male who allows himself to be penetrated has no status, being a women, i.e., it's entirely a political-economic thing, really has nothing to do with the act of sexual gratification with whoever - Romans still had homosexual relationships with each other, they just had to sneak around to do it, and every culture has men who prefer acting like women, the Indonesian Kathoeys, etc., and the Romans had a whole list of roles for homosexuals: Wikipedia: Homosexuality in Ancient Rome: Roles

It was widespread and common in Rome at the time Paul was writing, presumably, it was a way for the early Christians to differentiate themselves from the Romans.

The early Christians in Rome were predominantly slaves as well, and as such, probably subject to rape and beating, as the Romans were one of the more sadistic civilizations in the world, or at least as sadistic as the other ones, the whole practice of Sadism/Masochism is more or less inherited directly from Roman practices that continued through the middle ages, and it's not inconceivable that deep somewhere in the Vatican library is a justification for pederasty - the Bible is not everything that was written at the time, it's what the Catholic hierarchy deemed safe for the masses to see.

Pauls exhortations to celibacy were likely part of this as well, as many of the Christian converts were Manichean duallists, who believed the only way to escape their degraded lot was to cease reproducing at all (See Tertullians Apologia), and presumably the most hated practices of the Romans would be inveighed against in order to gain converts, which would likely include pederasty and homosexuality which were distinctly urban Roman practices as opposed to Italian culture in general which was largely agrarian, and family oriented, much like it is now.

In short, Paul is recruiting heavily at this time, and trying to keep the independent churches and cults springing up everywhere somewhat consolidated, so he's trying to be all things to all people, but he doesn't want it to turn into just another Roman mystery cult - i.e., the story of Lazarus was interpreted in certain Greek mystery cults as an initiation in homosexuality, many mystery cults of the time revolved around various aspects of sexuality, from Dionysian to fertility cults, etc., Manicheans and dualist themselves ranged from strict celibacy and martyrdom, to practicing every kind of sex Except reproductive between men and women both - the common theme there was to avoid reproduction and quit feeding the Roman monster with slave labor - kind or a reproductive strike, maybe histories first collective bargaining agreement, lol.

Christianity is syncretic from the start in this, absorbing and co-opting the principles of myriad cults and religions - the deification of Christ is itself an syncretism of Roman practice of deifying the emperors, itself brought over from Egypt by Caesar.

This thing is a lot more complex however than the bible: the Lutherans etc., came to terms with homosexuality a long time ago, they pretty much just pretend it's not there, after the Victorian fashion - the current backlash against homosexuality is driven by militant Calvinist predispensationalist theology, and it's a whole different thing that draws most of it's inspiration from Revelations, and has to do with dispensationalist disputes that will make you head spin, the most homophobic faction are the reconstructionist/dominionist factions, and ironically, by a quirk of Calvinist theology, it's possible, perhaps even required for a homosexual to persecute other homosexuals, possibly why so many right wing "family values" activists keep turning out to be gay.

In a way, you could say the Romans never really changed, Martin Luther just led another revolt, and Christianity itself is essentially engaged in one long revolt against Rome, which for whatever reason, homosexuality (and sexual excess in general) remains a symbol of.

In that though, gays are singled out probably mostly due to high visibility, there's a lot of that they're easy targets and there is probably some of that old animist sexual demonism in there, as well as the usual propitiatory offering, i.e. "to please god" (god hates fags) so god will not punish the Christians for toleration.

Clearly, there is a lot of Christian guilt involved, and not a little bit of political haymaking.

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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/8/2012 9:10:53 AM   
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The real war here however, is a revolt against the economic exploitation of labor, which is the culture that Rome symbolizes, but which also includes sexual slavery and exploitation, including prostitution, etc., including homosexual prostitution, it's not so much about sex as it is about economics: agrarians worship fertility, and support urban specialization, including priests and politicians and the soldiers they employ to extract more taxes to support their increasingly extravagant but largely non productive lifestyles - but they in turn appeal to those fertility values in order to ensure a steady supply of cheap labor - economic exploitation via fertility, based on the labor theory of value.

So, of course, homosexuality is fine for urban specialists, where large families are mostly an added expense, urban populations tend to grow from the overflow from the surrounding rural, agrarian regions, which often includes homosexuals looking for greener pastures and sexual freedom, hence homosexuality is associated with urban culture, which also happens to be associated with economic exploitation - things is, homosexuals aren't really exploiting anybody (other than maybe each other), but they are safe target for priest and politicians to gain the support of agrarians, who are skeptical of homosexuality because it seems to be contrary to fertility values.

In strictly utilitarian terms, homosexuality provides a check on urban population growth, and doesn't really interfere with other types of urban specialization, in fact it probably enhances it, i.e., the "gay mafia" in fashion and design, and related industries, which is sort of a social network for people who are engaged in those forms of production - which, as a creative thing, sort of requires keeping ones ear to the ground in terms of fashion and sexual trends.

Forget about Galt, if the damn gays went on strike, the fashion industry would grind to a screeching halt, lol.

But they provide cover for economic exploitation, a sort of goat: everything bad about it can be blamed on them, the homosexual conspiracy, etc., and as long the rubes buy it, the economic exploiters can do whatever they want, including acting like outright Libertines in private, it's a goddamn smokescreen.

i.e., biologically, gay is just more or less a random mutation that was probably originally selected for due to competition over reproductive females, including polygyny, and homosexuals are probably the least socially destabilizing demographic: unattached heterosexual males are almost always trouble, both in terms of crime and in preying on women in general, including the daughters of the Burghers.

Even among primates, rogue males are considered a major threat - and homosexual males, whatever else they are, are not rogue males, and really more of an asset than a threat in the overall scheme of things.

But for whatever reason, probably fertility values, rogue males tend to be romanticized - the rogue has enormous erotic appeal as a symbol, they represent vitality and virility, in contrast to the domesticated male - even if the real thing ain't always that pretty.

Rogues are even romanticized in gay culture, think of all those roguishly handsome Hollywood movie stars that turned out to be gay - hell, Heathcliff was probably gay.

You know damn well the women in here love their outlaws and their honorable rogues, and it's the part we all play if we're not playing the refined sadist - it's just part of the informal mythos, not really part of the formal mythos, in which rogue males are basically a criminal class.

In all that, homosexuals are technically neutral, but they are associated more with the Dionysian in terms of sexual energy, even if their contribution to culture is patently Apollonian.

And, it's the sexually Dionysian aspect of both Rogues and homosexuals that is threatening to those whose interests lie in controlling reproductive opportunities, and hence, labor markets.

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RE: COCKsuckin is unChristian - 4/9/2012 9:45:20 AM   
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I've got to compliment you on some impressive narrative crafting, my problem with it is that Biblical scholars actually changed the passage to make the meaning more clear in the NLV version and it doesn't say anything about pedophilia.

Leviticus 18:22
NLV: Do not practice homosexuality...

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