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RE: Completely off topic - 4/16/2012 9:41:53 PM   
Aswad


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Sorry Oside girl, I just can't let this one go. tj - that is a bunch of bunk. I'm looking around my apartment and see at least 100 things that can be used as weapons. Heck I took a class in which we learned how to use a paperback as a weapon!


Thanks. In teaching some people to think about that sort of thing, I've made repeated attempts at explaining this one to passive victim candidates that seem to see the tools as magic tricks that will do the job for them, simply by virtue of possession. Weapons don't defend themselves. People defend themselves.

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tj444: I did read the bit on relative efficiency, so this wasn't directed at you.


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RE: Completely off topic - 4/17/2012 5:30:59 AM   
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I've chosen a set of Pearce rubber grips and Master says after I've put a few hundred rounds through it we'll talk about changing the spring and possibly have some trigger work done.


The Makarov grip wraps around from the back and is quite thick. If you have small hands or simply feel the grip is uncomfortable, you can carve or grind quite a bit of it away to get it to fit your hand better. Proper fit is more important than looks.

The trigger arrangement is a generic simple single action layout. If it's gritty, it may smooth out a bit after a few hundred rounds. If not, a competent smith can stone the mechanism to clean it up. You might not want to reduce the trigger pull any; most smiths will do it automatically as part of a trigger job, so you might want to discuss it with him first.

Buy all the ammo you can afford NOW. Prices have already started climbing due to the coming election, and if it's like last time, it'll be at least a year before they start coming down again. (yes, buying more than you need now helps aggravate the situation, but when you're caught in the stampede anyway, it's not like you have a lot of options)

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RE: Completely off topic - 4/17/2012 5:42:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		As an aside. If you and your master are going to shoot a lot, you might want to invest in releading equipment.

Reloading is fun and saves a lot of $.

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RE: Completely off topic - 4/17/2012 6:03:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		At the moment you can still buy Russian 9x18 cheaper than the components to reload. But the equipment is always nice to have.

red does all the pistol caliber reloading around here, and I do the rifle stuff.

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RE: Completely off topic - 4/17/2012 6:52:07 AM   
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As an aside. If you and your master are going to shoot a lot, you might want to invest in releading equipment.

Reloading is fun and saves a lot of $.


Master actually took in some re-loading equipment in trade from someone who needed his father's car repaired.

The plan is to order a case for range.



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RE: Completely off topic - 4/17/2012 7:02:42 AM   
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Weapons don't defend themselves. People defend themselves.


This very true. I was taught how to defend myself with a pen.



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RE: Completely off topic - 4/18/2012 6:19:28 PM   
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Reloading is fun and saves a lot of $.


I don't know that I would call it fun, although I should say I've not tried reloading any handgun ammo. As for cost, though, let's just say .338 Lapua Magnum runs $70 per round here and the improved ballistics take a few thousand rounds down the range a year to make use of. For me, the tipping point was that I'm not confident that I can get adequate consistency with reloading. At least not without spending way too much time and money on it.

After all, the 6.5mm used in most Scandinavian rifles is available in match grades for less per box and is about as accurate out to half a mile or so in those grades. Plus, if a buddy wants to have a go at the range, I can load mil surplus which is virtually free and available at every sports store around the country (it's even cheaper than a 22LR around here).

Handguns aren't very useful to me, since you can't even get a carry permit when you're under the witness protection programme due to high risk of getting killed. Even certified bodyguards aren't usually allowed to have a carry permit here. And that's not concealed, which nobody but the SF guys have (they, on the other hand, are obligated to carry at all times, including off-duty).

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RE: Completely off topic - 4/18/2012 8:30:42 PM   
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This very true. I was taught how to defend myself with a pen.


Seeing as I just touched on the Wheel of Time elsewhere, a quote comes to mind:

"Anything can be a weapon, so long as the one wielding it has the will to make it so."

I prefer a good umbrella, but a pen is nice, too. And, as a geek, I laud some high tech measures, as well (e.g. camera at the door, xenon flash lamp in the entry section reflected at the door, spray cans that aerosolize crystal violet dye and capsaicin etc.). From my perspective, a handgun isn't so interesting for self defense, but damn useful in defending others.

For self defense or home defense, the goal is incapacitation, not lethality, and I figure that short barrel shotguns are more likely to accomplish that goal. If you're accurate with it under pressure, aiming for the pelvis will shatter the pelvic bone, which makes it physiologically impossible for a person to use their legs as I understand it. Aiming for the diaphragm is safer if there are doubts about accuracy, as a low miss gets the pelvic bone, a high miss gets the thorax and neck, and a direct hit gets the abdomen and thorax with perforation of the diaphragm.

Either way, you get a more massive blow to the nervous system and much greater blood volume displacement in the worst case than a handgun. A handgun can give far greater displacement and nervous system impact if you hit well, but let's face it: firearm based self defense is about what happens when things don't go smooth. Unless you're using high caliber rounds with good yaw, the worst case is a lot worse than for a shotgun, as I understand it.

Admittedly, though, as I've said, carrying a handgun would earn me a cavity search and jail time, so it's not something I've given much thought to. I can hit center mass as far as my rifle can take me, but that's not exactly useful in home defense, since I can't legally have it ready to fire. To even own one here, you have to surrender the constitutional protection against unwarranted search and seizure, and you're going to be pretty screwed if they find it ready to fire in the house, or even stored improperly (safe with minimum quarter inch hardened steel walls, quad bolted to the floor and back wall and tested against a locksmith; ammo in a seperate compartment and ideally a critical component not in the weapon if you don't want to get an earful).

Have I mentioned my disapproval of how draconian the gun control laws are here?

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RE: Completely off topic - 4/18/2012 9:06:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		When it comes to defending myself or my loved ones, I AM THE WEAPON. The things around me are TOOLS.

I just heard of a new home invasion scheme that's being reported in the neighborhood. Great. Like anyone here has fuck-all worth stealing.

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RE: Completely off topic - 4/19/2012 7:51:36 AM   
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When it comes to defending myself or my loved ones, I AM THE WEAPON. The things around me are TOOLS.

I just heard of a new home invasion scheme that's being reported in the neighborhood. Great. Like anyone here has fuck-all worth stealing.


It's the home invasion robberies that have me worried. We live in a neighborhood that you can walk everywhere, day or night and not be worried. But, a gang from another town has targeted our area for day time home invasion/knock knock break ins.


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RE: Completely off topic - 4/19/2012 9:29:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, I just had a discussion with a client and a colleague about women and weapons, and how threatening our jobs can be, middle class as we are.

Is it true that women in other countries don't have threatening client situations, or dangerous neighborhoods? I am still of the mind that the day I need to keep a gun in my desk drawer is the day I move my office, but really? Is it so very safe everywhere else that no one feels that they need to be their own first line of defense?

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RE: Completely off topic - 4/19/2012 9:37:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Where I work, no concern. Where I live, no concern. The places I frequently go, no concern.

Fact is, most people are either killed by their own guns or by people that know them personally.

Another fact, most people that believe they could kill someone, actually couldn't when faced with the reality of the situation. Most would hesitate enough to end up in a worse situation than if they'd never had the gun.

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RE: Completely off topic - 4/19/2012 9:40:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know I could. So no guns for me, unless I am going for a bear or a deer. (REALLY want a bear...)

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RE: Completely off topic - 4/19/2012 9:47:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ya, I've done the whole gun thing. Got the legal okay to carry a concealed weapon. Walked around with a hand cannon in my hand bag. Even pulled it out once and sent a dipship running/falling, down the apt. building's stairs. Did the whole hunting thing when venison was needed in the deep freeze. Stuff like that.

When my life became wonderfully boring and I didn't have to worry about the dipshit anymore. I got rid of the gun. I don't miss it and the responsibility it was. I didn't realize how heavy it weighed on me then, until G.D. talked about getting another handgun and I quickly vetoed the idea.

I am not afraid of dying and I would rather die than be faced with the reality of the responsibility of killing another human being.

And yanno, I refuse to live my life full of fear and paranoia.

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RE: Completely off topic - 4/19/2012 10:23:00 AM   
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And yanno, I refuse to live my life full of fear and paranoia.


this

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RE: Completely off topic - 4/19/2012 10:29:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am not fearful, no.

One of my young cousins was nearly killed when a molotov cocktail was tossed into their house and landed on her. (thanks to the Shriners, she is a beautiful and healthy young lady, with many scars) What could have protected her? Her parents had enemies, the neighborhood was hood-esque, and what was intented for a scare was a nearly fatal tragedy.



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RE: Completely off topic - 4/19/2012 10:55:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Congratulation Oside. Now lets hope you never have to use it.


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Ignore hardcybermaster. From his profile : "just here to annoy cliques and question cliches,feel free to ignore me".


Is that his deal? Here I was thinking he just didn't have a clue what a test was or what a high score meant. Now I know he's just trolling.

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RE: Completely off topic - 4/19/2012 11:01:27 AM   
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Congratulation Oside. Now lets hope you never have to use it.


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Ignore hardcybermaster. From his profile : "just here to annoy cliques and question cliches,feel free to ignore me".


Is that his deal? Here I was thinking he just didn't have a clue what a test was or what a high score meant. Now I know he's just trolling.


No, he hates all guns. Which he is entitled to do, certainly.



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RE: Completely off topic - 4/19/2012 11:16:52 AM   
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Congratulation Oside. Now lets hope you never have to use it.


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Ignore hardcybermaster. From his profile : "just here to annoy cliques and question cliches,feel free to ignore me".


Is that his deal? Here I was thinking he just didn't have a clue what a test was or what a high score meant. Now I know he's just trolling.


No, he hates all guns. Which he is entitled to do, certainly.




I have no problem with someone not liking something. I do have a problem with them trying to claim they are superior in some way because of it. I know a lot of people who own guns. Most of them have them for target shooting and a few actually go hunting with them. To imply that everyone who has a gun is living their lives in constant fear is just bullshit.

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RE: Completely off topic - 4/19/2012 12:16:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree, THB, but it does look like so many people are all "I need to protect myself" when for many people the danger is minimal. Erin started a "Girls of Fire" page on the FB and while I enjoy the group, it is ALL about being proactively "safe".

We have to do what makes us feel secure. For ME, a handgun would do nothing to assure that, because I wouldn't be wearing that holster every minute, everywhere. An unloaded gun in a locked case is useless for self defense, and a gun in untrained hands is downright dangerous.

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